PipeChat Digest #1521 - Tuesday, July 18, 2000
 
Re: my birthday
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: the all-purpose organ
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
We are open for business on PipeChat IRC tonight!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Cochereau in Boston & at Notre Dame, reissue
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Fwd: on-line Encylopedia of Organ Stops
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
looking for organ quote
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: The Church Organist Situation
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Two-Slice AGO Toaster wanted....
  by <kevin1@alaweb.com>
HELP!!!
  by <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Oberlin's Skinner
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: The Church Organist Situation
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Church Organ Situation
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com>
RE: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com>
Artisan "Ranks In A Box" (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Weddings,
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: The Church Organ Situation
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net>
Re: HELP!!!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Weddings, Weddings
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Re: The Church Organ Situation
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: my birthday From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:49:59 +0800   Oh heck! You kids!!! 3/3/23 Bob Elms.     quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > 56 on August 17th ... > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Evelyn Rowe wrote: > > > And I turn 53 (blush!) tomorrow the 17th. > > > > At 03:03 AM 7/16/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >*happy birthday to me* > > >I turn 30 today.........hurray!!!!!! > > > > > >Carlo > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: the all-purpose organ From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:32:24 +0200   >>We only have a handful of churches in this country in which unaltered >>C-C voicing techniques could be used successfully. It takes a whole LOT >>of acoustics to absorb and temper all THAT racket (grin). > >I remember at Poitiers Cathedral, at the console the reeds sounded brash and >frankly, horrible. However, anywhere else in the cathedral they sounded >absolutely exquisite.   The same is true of our Mutin Cavaille-Coll (1898). When the beast arrived (it was the first C-C I'd ever played), I really wondered what all the = fuss was about. The Basson-Hautbois sounded like someone torturing a duck, and the Trompette Harmonique sounded anything other than harmonious, and = seemed to all but drown the rest of the organ. However, hearing the organ from a distance made me realise just how gorgeous the reeds are. There is = something in the harmonic structure of the Basson-Hautbois (not being an organ = builder I couldn't speculate what) that gives the impression of a soft mixture = when it's drawn with the flue chorus, and the bass end of both is so = constructed that one has the impression of independent pedal reed stops when the Recit is coupled. I wouldn't swap them for anything!   Chris Johns Musical Assistant, Osnabr=FCck Cathedral Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:36:44 +0200   >I was quietly informed by the Dean of the Cathedral that the ``groom'' = had left town! An >announcement was made to the guests in the church and I played as they left - quietly. >Anyone ever had that happen to them?   Not to me personally, but my grandfather, who was an anglican priest once had to call off a wedding, when, at the point where the congregation is asked to declare any reason known to them why the couple should not be allowed to marry, the father of the bride stood up and said that his daughter was only 16-years old, and did not have his permission to marry. = I don't know what happened next!   Chris Johns Musical Assistant, Osnabr=FCck Cathedral Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: We are open for business on PipeChat IRC tonight! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:40:33 -0400     Hi, PipeChatters, PipeChat IRC is again going live this evening, as it always does on = Monday and Friday evenings, at 9.00 PM EDT For further information about how to get on board with PipeChat IRC, go = to our Web page: http://www.pipechat.org Have fun, - come see what it is all about! Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Cochereau in Boston & at Notre Dame, reissue From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:34:44 -0400   The famous four-movement Symphony improvised by Pierre Cochereau in 1956 = at Symphony Hall, Boston, for Volume 12 of the Aeolian-Skinner "King of Instruments" series has been reissued in a 2-CD set along with his = earliest recordings of the Cavaill=E9-Coll at Notre-Dame, Paris, originally issued = on the L'Oiseau Lyre label as LPs. The Paris sessions were conducted in 1955, the year of Cochereau's appointment as titulaire at Notre Dame, and the organ was unchanged and still playing with its Cavaill=E9-Coll console, = just as Vierne had left it 18 years earlier. This new 2-CD set is imported by OHS and is available at http://www.ohscatalog.org on the opening page.   Only the improvised Symphony appears from the Boston recording. The works recorded at Notre Dame are Liszt: Ad nos; Vierne: Symphony 2; and Dupre: Symphonie-Passion.   Bill Van Pelt      
(back) Subject: Fwd: on-line Encylopedia of Organ Stops From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:50:54 -0500   The following was sent to the Administration address with the request that it be posted to the list.   David   >A new on-line Encylopedia of Organ Stops is now available at >"http://www.mewsic.com/stops". It is far from complete, but >the author is seeking feedback while progress continues. When >finished, it will be the most comprehensive work of its kind. >The Encylopedia has its own dedicated discussion group called >"OrganStops@egroups.com". Anyone can join this group by going >to the Egroups home page at "http://www.egroups.com". > >-- Ed Stauff   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: looking for organ quote From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:04:22 -0500   Somone on this list (or the other list, I don't remember) sent a quote some time ago along the lines of the organ showing God's magnificence in its sounding and God's mercy in its ceasing. I am looking for the correct quote and source. Thanks!    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:59:08 +0100   >The ones that complain about this policy the most are those that are = 'well >to do' financially !!!! I have never had to go to small claims court to >collect my fee...but...I have had to send 'official' letters on more than >one occasion. Sounds good, but surely if a couple were in living in poverty, you would = not charge them for the ceremony, if you do 3 a week and have done fore 30 years, you can't need to practice much for a wedding.   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organist Situation From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:56:13 +0100   >>I read the job descriptions on the Guild webpage, and then I get down to the >number of hours a week it supposedly takes to DO all this; THEN I get to the >SALARY, if it's published at all. Usually if it isn't, they're ashamed to post >it. But some of 'em are pretty brassy: $10K a year for a HALF-TIME position??!! It sounds like we are mis-informed over this side of the pond, but the American positions that I have seen advertised over here have been ridiculous compared to what the English get paid. At a large parish = church, where there is a big music program and where the director needs to full time, one is lucky to get =A312,000 a year + a house. I remember seeing a large church job in America advertised as having a house, being part-time, the use of a secretary and $35,000 a year - is this just a one off then?   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:16:05 -0700   I ALWAYS tell the priest when I come to a new parish that weddings and = funerals for people in reduced circumstances are free, TO THE PEOPLE ... it is the PARISH'S responsibility to provide for them, and since wedding and funeral stipends are not included in my salary, it's also the PARISH'S = responsibility to pay ME.   Weddings and funerals of choir members and their families and personal = friends of mine I do for free, period, as does the choir.   I've never had a problem with weddings and funerals, except in one = Episcopal parish in San Diego where I arrived to practice the organ and found a HUGE wedding going on ... Solemn High Mass with a paid quartet in the stalls, = full church, and someone else at the organ. I resigned on the spot. Bench fees = WERE in my contract ... but the Rector chose to ignore that ... don't remember = the reason, if there was one.   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - I don't turn on the motor unless I have the CASH in hand, at least = for weddings ... NO EXCEPTIONS!   Richard Pinel wrote:   > >The ones that complain about this policy the most are those that are = 'well > >to do' financially !!!! I have never had to go to small claims court = to > >collect my fee...but...I have had to send 'official' letters on more = than > >one occasion. > Sounds good, but surely if a couple were in living in poverty, you would = not > charge them for the ceremony, if you do 3 a week and have done fore 30 > years, you can't need to practice much for a wedding. > > Richard > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Two-Slice AGO Toaster wanted.... From: <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:26:07 -600   *Working*, at least 2 61n manuals, 32n AGO pedal blazing, popping, = hissing, cheap toaster needed soon!! I am moving into an apartment and the Wicks is too = loud, I need a toaster sometime within two months. All available **PIECES OF = CRAP** -ESPECIALLY- NEED TO APPLY!!!!! Anywhere in the southeast will do for = pickup, especially between New Orleans to Nashville and Bristol and Memphis = areas... Anything between any of those places and Atlanta ok too... I will not = restore, labor, or electricute myself trying to fix one that doesn't work...I need = something in some extent of operational condition. Willing to pay $0 to $500 (and = don't think that means you can ask $500 for a $200 organ either). Might also = exchange for favors or stuff I already have that I could stand to get rid of.   Please no "I have a friend who..." or, "You can have a real pipe setup if = you..." (not in an apartment, honey; get real), or replys other than actual = concrete offers. I'm *really* busy these days. REPLY TO: woohoo99@hotmail.com   >--> DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESS: woohoo99@hotmail.com kevin1@alaweb.com is = being DISCONTINUED shortly.   Thanx in advance!! -Kevin C. (You have my info from the previous mail.) woohoo99@hotmail.com www.theatreorgans.com/alabama/greenville :-P  
(back) Subject: HELP!!! From: <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:05:37 -600   Hello all...one of my now "rare" postings to the list has reared its = head...hehe...     Anyway, my mother's house sold last week and I have less than a week to = remove my 2/5 Wicks. I am moving it so some place in Mobile, Alabama. The local = MCC has agreed to send workers to help with disassembly and packing here in = Greenville, but I have no help to unload it in Mobile. This will all have to be done = in a day due to the high price of truck rentals these days. I have yet to = determine the Wicks' new home, but it will be somewhere in Mobile, probably on the = University of South Alabama campus. I am going tomorrow to meet with the music = director to arrange a home for it.   I am doing something *rare* by trusting people I don't know to help move = my most prized possesion, but I am hurting for help here!! If you live in = the Mobile area or close to it and have moved a pipeorgan before and would = like to help, please contact me at my new e-mail address, woohoo99@hotmail.com = This address, kevin1, will be discontinued as I am moving away from the local = internet server here in Greenville. You can see the organ at = www.theatreorgans.com/alabama/greenville There is one extra rank not pictured, but after looking at it, you will = see it will be an easy job regardless. I'm afraid I can't pay labor costs for = help, but I can take you out to dinner or something of the sort as a "thank-you" = gesture... Remember, it will be in the truck already and all I need help doing is = unloading and the heavy chest and console positioning in it's new home, I will be = doing the rest.   CONTACT ME AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS, woohoo99@hotmail.com if anyone is = interested in helping.   Thank you in advance to any who reply. -Kevin R. Cartwright <<Not egotistical enough to list my many church jobs here>> Greenville, Alabama woohoo99@hotmail.com AIM- musikev2000 http://www.theatreorgans.com/alabama/greenville    
(back) Subject: Re: Oberlin's Skinner From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:01:30 EDT   In a message dated 00-07-12 21:54:26 EDT, you write:   << The E.M. / G.D.H. Skinner from Finney Chapel went to an Episcopal Church in Virginia ... anybody know where? >> The Truro Episcopal Church in Fairfax will be the new home once the organ = is rebuilt and the renovations to the building are completed. They presently have a Geo Payne era Lewis and Hitchcock monstrosity. The sanctuary will = be re-designed and adequate space for the Oberlin Skinner made.   Rick M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organist Situation From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:04:55 -0700   As Mark Checkley used to point out, English choirmasters and organists wo= rk for next to nothing; ditto the French. I remember reading somewhere that Dupr= e's stipend at St. Sulpice just about covered his train and cab fares.   I don't know how the cost of living compares between Britain and the U.S.= ... jobs with medical benefits are a HUGE plus for us, since we don't have na= tional healthcare ...   I have medical benefits, and they run about $200 a month; my housing allo= wance runs about $1,000 a month, and it goes up whenever my rent does; BUT, the median rent in this county for a one-bedroom flat is $1,200 - $1,500 a mo= nth .... my flat is pretty funky (grin) ... I was lucky to find it, and it's c= lose to the ocean; but I could never THINK about buying a house ... the median= cost is over $250,000.   I would imagine that you don't have the lengthy commutes that a lot of Am= erican organists do ... I drove an hour each way from East Los Angeles for a yea= r and a half before I finally found a flat about a half-hour away from the chur= ch; I know MANY organists who drive two hours or MORE each way to their jobs, a= nd THAT'S expensive.   My SALARY, on the other hand, is only $12,000 per annum, in a city where = the median income is well in excess of $100,000. And I'm expected to dress ni= cely, and drive a nice car (grin). I wear suits from the thrift stores; I drive= a funky red surfer truck (grin). They're NOT impressed ...   The schedule of services (six per week, all requiring extensive writing a= nd preparation), rehearsals and seminary classes (I teach Chant, liturgy, an= d public speaking off and on, when I can corral the seminarians) at St. Mat= thew's is such that they finally HAD to declare it a full-time job, which, as I = said earlier, simply means you don't have TIME to do anything else.   Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Guild publish a survey a= while back in which it was stated that the median stipend for organists in this country is only something like $7,500 per annum?   What amazes ME is that with such a dire shortage of organists in this cou= ntry, when churches FIND one, either they don't want to pay, and/or they treat = them like dirt. Some of my Vestry are up in arms because I took a month's MEDI= CAL LEAVE, after having a STROKE before Easter.   I think the Guild also reported that conflicts between musicians and cler= gy are at an all-time high, particularly among Roman Catholics and Anglicans, fo= r some reason. I NEVER remember the National Council taking action against a chu= rch, but St. Mary-the-Virgin in NYC has been blacklisted since September of 19= 99, for firing Christopher Babcock without cause or notice.   So ... it's an ODD market all the way around ...   Cheers,   Bud   Richard Pinel wrote:   > It sounds like we are mis-informed over this side of the pond, but the > American positions that I have seen advertised over here have been > ridiculous compared to what the English get paid. At a large parish chu= rch, > where there is a big music program and where the director needs to full > time, one is lucky to get =A312,000 a year + a house. I remember seeing= a > large church job in America advertised as having a house, being part-ti= me, > the use of a secretary and $35,000 a year - is this just a one off then= ? > > Richard >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organ Situation From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:14:31 -0500   I'm curious as to what is meant by must play "by air"? Must know how to = play a pipe organ; or is this a colloquialism for "by ear"; or (perish the = thought) must the musician be proficient enough at passing gas and have enough of = it to accompany hymns and chants by tunefully performing this disgusting act (a = la La Petomaine)? In my youth I sometimes played "by ear" until I began to get = sore ears. Maynard     "Paul R. Swank" wrote:   > The state of the situation in which we find ourselves concerning the use = of > the organ in church is becoming even worse than I thought. > > In today's Baltimore Sun (a nationally read newspaper) are two = classifieds > for church musician, which I quote without spelling corrections: > > (1) Church Pianist- needed for small West Balto church. Must read notes. > Tel #. > > (2) Pianist- Fast growing church in Essex looking for dedicated Minister = or > Music/Organist/Pianist. Must play by air. Reading of music is preferred = but > not required. Competitive salary. Tel.# > > What are the church organist positions coming to? > > Paul > In amazement in Balto. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:33:45 -0400   Evelyn Rowe wrote:   >Inquiring minds want to know: did they remember to pay you?   in regards to the following:   > At 05:55 PM 7/16/00 -0400, Bonnie Beth Derby wrote: > >About 9 years ago I played for a large ``wedding''. The start time was > >slated for 2pm with prelude music beginning at about 25 minutes before. At > >about 15 minutes after two I was quietly informed by the Dean of the > >Cathedral that the ``groom'' had left town! An announcement was made = to the > >guests in the church and I played as they left - quietly. What a = strange > >feeling! Anyone ever had that happen to them? > >   Yes they did - and I was sent an extra check with a letter of apology from the bride's parents. I returned the `extra' pay since I felt that they = were dealing with enough stress.   BB Derby orge@dreamscape.com      
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings, Weddings From: "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:36:24 -0700   So, there were three classy people at the wedding - the bride's parents = and you!   > Yes they did - and I was sent an extra check with a letter of apology = from > the bride's parents. I returned the `extra' pay since I felt > that they were > dealing with enough stress. > > BB Derby > orge@dreamscape.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings, Weddings From: "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:47:27 -0700   Reminds me of the old song - be sure to read both verses:   Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer true I'm half crazy, all for the love of you It won't be a stylish marriage I can't afford a carriage But you'll look sweet Upon the seat Of a bicycle built for two.   Davy, Davy, here is your answer true You're plumb crazy, to think I'll marry you If you can't afford a carriage You can't afford a marriage And I'll be damned If I'll be crammed On a bicycle built for two.   > -----Original Message----- > Richard Pinel wrote: > Sounds good, but surely if a couple were in living in poverty, > you would not > charge them for the ceremony <schnipp>  
(back) Subject: Artisan "Ranks In A Box" (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:53:25 -0700   I just got the Artisan CD demonstrating their Ranks-In-A-Box ... I'm absolutely up against it with the donor of the Hammond. She'll pay to "upgrade" it, as long as it LOOKS the same, but she won't tolerate REPLACING it. So I'm looking at alternatives. Let the NEXT organist worry about a pipe organ (grin).   I'm moderately impressed with the sounds ... the theatre organ (a refurbished 3-manual Rodgers) is FUN ... their library list is pretty limited, though, unless you borrow some things from the theatre list, as well as the classical list. I could live with a Tibia replacement for a Harmonic Flute (grin). But there's enough there to put together a modest two-manual organ.   Has anybody ever seen or played an electronic organ that was added to / refurbished with one of these kits? Comments?   Cheers,   Bud   Cursed By A Hammond in my old age (sigh)    
(back) Subject: Weddings, From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:00:34 -0400   Another old song from the English Music Hall days:   There was I, waiting at the church, Waiting at the church, Waiting at the church, When I found he'd left me in the lurch, Oh, how it did upset me,   All at once he sent me round a note, He sent me round a note, I've got the very note, and this is what he wrote, - Can't get away to marry you today, My wife won't let me!   Tends to show my age, - but what the heck!   Bob Conway      
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organ Situation From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:12:59 -0400   Yes it is a countri-fied way of saying "playing by ear". This area of the Baltimore suburbs is loaded with persons of West Virginia mountain = extraction.   Interesting isn't it that this is a requirement for a church position? No collige deplohma, pleeze.   you wrote: >I'm curious as to what is meant by must play "by air"?    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:27:33 EDT   Gee, Kevin. I sure wish I could get over there to help. It sounds like a really fun party. Best of luck.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Weddings From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:01:11 -0400   > >The ones that complain about this policy the most are those that are 'well > >to do' financially !!!! I have never had to go to small claims court = to > >collect my fee...but...I have had to send 'official' letters on more = than > >one occasion. > Sounds good, but surely if a couple were in living in poverty, you would not > charge them for the ceremony, if you do 3 a week and have done fore 30 > years, you can't need to practice much for a wedding. >   I do make exceptions...especially in the situations like the one you = pointed out..however I verify these with the clergy. I also don't charge any of the families who are _very_active_ = participants in the church or choir members families. In many cases, the 'poverty' families don't want a live organist at their wedding even if it's for free....they would rather do without than know the organist is providing a free service for their situation. In most cases, I manage convince them that I have no problem with that what so ever. But some of them still refuse it...so...in those situations, the church has a cassette tapes of prelude, entrance = procession, and recessional music which I recorded for this purpose.   Sorry if I sounded a bit 'hard-nosed'....didn't mean for it to come out = that way. I am a compassionate person.   Keep in mind that for the majority of my nearly 30 years, I somehow = managed to be involved in large upper middle class and upper class income parishes where I was kept quite busy with a heavy load of weddings, funerals, etc. These have their pros and = cons.....extra income, lots of participation, but rarely home, lots of brown nosing required, things like that.   Practice ? Yes I practice when time permits...but the typical wedding material I could do in my sleep (and sometimes almost have)...usually I = just wanted to get out of there   I am now in a _small_ parish (about 700 families). Have only had 1 = wedding and 3 funerals this past year so I free-lance weddings at other churches = but only to a maximum of about 3 per month. Much more manageable and much = more time for the family !!   Ed   >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Church Organ Situation From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:11:11 -0400   The mistake was probably in the Sun's classified ad department rather than anything so quaint or colorful.   At 08:12 PM 7/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >Yes it is a countri-fied way of saying "playing by ear". This area of the >Baltimore suburbs is loaded with persons of West Virginia mountain = extraction. > >Interesting isn't it that this is a requirement for a church position? = No >collige deplohma, pleeze. > > you wrote: >>I'm curious as to what is meant by must play "by air"? > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org