PipeChat Digest #1531 - Monday, July 24, 2000
 
Re: List topics
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by "LAMAR BOULET" <lmar@hotmail.com>
Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
them what builds 'em; them what plays 'em
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Offtopic:  Having the list of your dreams
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: "Approved"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "make it pretty"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "make it pretty"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "make it pretty"
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: List topics
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:28:24 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 8:30:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rredman@imagin.net writes:   << At the risk of being scourged and thrown out, may I humbly suggest that we need a new list or lists. >> Roy has a point here. But on the other hand I joined this list and another =   list to pick the brains of organists and to bounce ideas off of them. I do =   think the current thread of DSL is off topic and all posts that are off = topic should be labeled as such. I can't imagine that there isn't another list = for computer geeks. Wedding stories are OK because they are often amusing and = the organ IS used for weddings and I as an organbuilder want to know how to better build organs for all uses and this includes weddings. The entire = world of organs and church music and politics is (like it or not) tied together. = As is the world of electronic instruments (like it or not) and church music. = As a wise man once said "what you don't know only makes money for someone = else." I urge list members to stay on topic and use the organbuilders on the list = to their advantage. These lists are a vast wealth of information contained in =   many separate human minds but our "hive mind" may well go insane if not disciplined and is left to fall into inane chit chat and petty bickering. = I have a very well exercised delete button.   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "LAMAR BOULET" <lmar@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:39:59 GMT   Thank you Roy for having the nerve to bring up the subject. We need an organ builder's site or some such site. I to am tired of deleting a sad story about a bad service or the problems an organist has with the church. lamar     ----Original Message Follows---- From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu CC: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: List topics Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:23:39 -0500   At the risk of being scourged and thrown out, may I humbly suggest that we need a new list or lists. I was warned, but decided to try both lists for a while. Now I find that, in spite of the names, neither are primarily about the pipe organ. Surely there are many others out there who are tired of deleting the many postings on other topics! I, for one, am certainly not interested in dicsussing the latest bites or barks, and I have deleted enough wedding stories to last several lifetimes. I understand that organists need a list for discussing repertoire and technique, and perhaps tell a few wedding stories, but this, along with the electronic interests, makes our list much too broad to be practical. I think this is the source of the many fights on the list recently. Webmasters, and others, please consider adding more lists of spicific interest. Roy Redman     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:51:06 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 10:15:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << I'm afeared that a listed dedicated to ONLY organ building topics would have a small following, and be rather...uh...droll? >>   You have got that right. The great thing about this list is that it is = like a portal into the organist's mind. (malkovitch, malkovitch) As I came on to = the list (as an organbuilder) I had certain preconceived ideas about organbuilding. Most were reinforced, however, I was forced to re-inspect other ideas and have since changed my style in small but significant ways. =   Thanks:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:12:35 -0700   Hmph! Now THAT'S no good reason for a separate list ... might not hurt you = to develop a little EMPATHY for your clients.   Bud   LAMAR BOULET wrote:   > Thank you Roy for having the nerve to bring up the subject. We need an > organ builder's site or some such site. I to am tired of deleting a sad > story about a bad service or the problems an organist has with the = church. > lamar > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu > CC: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: List topics > Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:23:39 -0500 > > At the risk of being scourged and thrown out, may I humbly suggest that > we need a new list or lists. I was warned, but decided to try both > lists for a while. Now I find that, in spite of the names, neither are > primarily about the pipe organ. Surely there are many others out there > who are tired of deleting the many postings on other topics! I, for > one, am certainly not interested in dicsussing the latest bites or > barks, and I have deleted enough wedding stories to last several > lifetimes. I understand that organists need a list for discussing > repertoire and technique, and perhaps tell a few wedding stories, but > this, > along with the electronic interests, makes our list much too broad to be > practical. I think this is the source of the many fights on the list > recently. > Webmasters, and others, please consider adding more lists of spicific > interest. > Roy Redman > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: them what builds 'em; them what plays 'em From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:27:41 -0700   I'm actually sorta surprised to find this divide ... I've had cordial working relationships with a number of pipe organ builders, service techs AND e-organ folks over the years.   Nor have I ever had someone refuse to teach me something ... usually *I* was the one to say (after some length), "OK, that's beyond me ... that's why your degree is engineering and mine is in organ performance. But thank you for trying."   HOWEVER, I have NO respect for and would never do business with ANYONE who engages in attacks of ANY kind upon other pipe organ builders, service techs, organists or electronic organ companies. If you need ME to tell you that's HIGHLY unethical, then you don't need my business in the first place. I will buy your product or service because of the quality of YOUR product or the skill of YOUR service, NOT because you tell me that someone else's is inferior.   My ears are still middling good ... I can hear the difference; and if a bellows is blown out because you didn't scive the leather properly, or you've chewed up cone-tuned pipes with a wood rasp or a screwdriver, I can see that too. I also know the difference between duct tape and leather (grin). The first time I find the former in an organ under MY care, you're out the door. Ditto a half-eaten sandwich in the Swell box. Ditto a used you-know-what out of one of those machines in men's rooms .... all of which I HAVE discovered in organs over the years.   And PLEASE don't insult my intelligence (e-organ makers, please note) when I ask what a mixture's composition is by telling me it's made up of octaves and fifths. I KNOW that. If you're going to put mixtures on your organs, be kind enough to include the pitch and the composition. It's neither rocket science nor an atomic secret ... the mixture compositions of MOST of the greatest organ-builders in the world, both past and present, are a matter of public record.   Am *I* hard to work with? You betcha! Because I don't accept less than the best from myself, or anybody else ... my church choir will tell you THAT (grin). When I choose a builder or a tech, either I'm going to trust him so I don't have to follow him around, or I'm not going to hire him in the first place.   And don't write my rector and vestry and try and get me fired, as one pipe organ rep did when I asked for a quote (from HIM) for enlarging and revoicing one of his instruments ... if my rector has put up with me for this long, he's likely to continue to do so. And no, your four-rank unit instrument WASN'T "a perfect organ" (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Offtopic: Having the list of your dreams From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:51:54 -0400   Like I tell the Hamtech gang when these situations come up, there's nothing stopping anyone from having the list of their dreams. There's = just one little catch:   If you want things your way, you have to do the work for yourself.   Freebie list hosting services can be found at http://www.egroups.com or http://www.topica.com , but be prepared to get spammed. If you'd like a nice, secure home for your list, try http://www.lsoft.com ....but your wallet may not be happy if your list gets to be popular.   Either way, you have to be prepared to sacrifice a few hundred unpaid hours a year....decent sized lists do not look after themselves. As an added bonus, a good chunk of the mail you (as list owner) will get from your subscribers will be anything but fan mail.   We're all on this wonderful list thanks to David's blood, sweat, and charity, so he's the one who gets to make the decisions about what is or = is not allowed here. There are several hundred Pipechat members.....so what say we all just enjoy the posts we do like, delete what we don't, and just =   be happy to have the choice?   Have fun! Ad ;-> Co-Admin, The Hammond List    
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:03:34 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 3:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Chris_Johns@gmx.de writes:   << For me a well played "Banquet Celeste" at communion is one of the most moving things imaginable. The priest who took the mass in question asked me before the service today if I was going to play something "nice" ("sch=F6n" was the word he used) for communion, something "harmoniou= s, not like last week". >>   I was once told by a priest who is very susceptible to music not to play=20 "Banquet Celeste" at communion again. He said that he found himself=20 rhythmically (amost) flipping wafers into people's mouth. I really got a=20 kick out of that. He also came to me one Sunday and asked why I was made=20 at him. When I replied that I wasn't, he said, "Well, the first hymn sure=20 did sound like it!" I thought about it and realized I was actually mad at=20 him; we had a discussion and a laugh later.   Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:03:35 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 3:52:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corbettg@theatreorgans.com writes:   << I have the "Suite Gothique", Schirmer's Version, and it is still one of my favourites! The 4 movements, Introduction - Choral, Menuet gothique, Priere a Notre-Dame, and Toccata, may paraphrase the suite in the mind of the composer. >>   The "Suite Gothique" is one of my favourites, as well, especially, of = course, the "Priere". The Toccata is next and then the Introduction. I usually =   play the menuet very gently, and without pedal, for the most part. It sounds very delicate on a light registration, with flute/string or flute/principal dialog, even flute or principal/light reed ! I find my audiences love it too!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: "make it pretty" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:03:39 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 7:35:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << What IS at issue, of course, is that the compositions need to be in the =   tonal, conservative Edwardian or Victorian STYLE in order to be acceptable. >>   Do these folks need to be reminded that there were NO Edwardian or = Victorian HAMMONDS??? Reality checque!!! heeheehee   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: "make it pretty" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:03:36 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 4:28:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << The odd thing is, with all the new compositions in the past fifty = years, what people WANT to hear hasn't changed one IOTA. It's like somebody drew a = thick black line across the calendar sometime around WWII, and that's it. I = can't think of a THING written after 1940 that my people like.>>   Well, I was a naughty boy today and opened and closed with war-horses! = The T&F in d-minor (the usual!), and the Widor Toccata (Symphony V). People = just downright love these pieces. I enjoyed playing the Langlais "There is = a Fountain Filled with Blood" and "On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand"; I = think they enjoyed the latter more than the former, however. Percy Fletcher's "Fountain Reverie" drew nice comments, as well. I think the main things people want to hear are melody and colour.   <<I'll admit I'm not a great proponent of most contemporary church music, =   serious or otherwise. But I wouldn't DARE play "The Celestial Banquet" at St. Matthew's,...>>   Shucks! If it "pops" like the old ones, "CB" could sound really surreal! = heeheehee   << Bud, who's feeling a MITE cynical this fine Sunday morning>>   Sorry your Sunday wasn't better. Mine was great, but a good bit due to = the "oldie-goldies" that we sang today, topped off by a wonderful final = communion hymn, "Savior, again to Thy dear name we raise" (Ellers), and a = magnificent "stomping-out" hymn, "God, Himself, is with us" (Tysk). They just don't make 'em better!     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:03:40 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/00 8:30:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rredman@imagin.net writes:   << At the risk of being scourged and thrown out, may I humbly suggest that we need a new list or lists. >>   Well, I hadn't really said anything yet, but I have set up a list on elists.com or onelist. com called < trackersNpipes > for discussion of = just those things. Any one interested please join, but please keep the discussion about pipesNtrackers!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: "make it pretty" From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:13:58 -0700   You know, the funny thing is, they won't allow anything but 100% beeswax = on the altar, or anything but pure handsewn linen, or sterling silver; yet = they're perfectly happy with an ersatz "appliance" at the OTHER end of the church.   BTW, I saw a two manual and pedal Hinners REED organ I'd RATHER have = (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/23/00 7:35:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << What IS at issue, of course, is that the compositions need to be in = the > tonal, > conservative Edwardian or Victorian STYLE in order to be acceptable. >> > > Do these folks need to be reminded that there were NO Edwardian or = Victorian > HAMMONDS??? Reality checque!!! heeheehee > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:46:51   At 02:03 AM 7/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Any one interested please join, but please keep the >discussion about pipesNtrackers!<snip>   Hmmm...I THINK I'll politely decline....   hehehehohohohohohahahaha!