PipeChat Digest #1532 - Monday, July 24, 2000
 
Re: List topics
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: List topics
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: List topics
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: "Approved"
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: "make it pretty"
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: "make it pretty"
  by <JamesM8336@aol.com>
Re: "Approved"
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
the Hammond from hell
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Boellmann's Toccata
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Music Staff Opening at St. Ignatius Loyola, NY!
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: "Approved"
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: Church burnt - more details
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: "Approved"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
"make it pretty"
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
Re: "Approved"
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
 


(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:23:54 -0500   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > Any one interested please join, but please keep the > discussion about pipesNtrackers!   Just what I've been looking for, where one can discuss whether matches or lighters work best, and whether blue heelers or beagles do a better job = finding raccoons, and which has the most satisfying timbre to the bray, all in a = single site!   Bring on the RC; I'm there.    
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:10:27 +0100     At 17:49 23/07/00 -0700, Bud wrote:   >Roy, personally I wish more organ-builders would talk about >organ-builder-type "stuff" on these lists ...   <snipped>   Bud, I think the spirit is willing to share, but the time is lacking - which rather gives the lie to the word that organs are seldom required these days.   With best wishes,   Cheryl       Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders England   Registered in England No 696548   http://www.copemanhart.co.uk      
(back) Subject: Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:38:04 -0400   At 02:03 AM 7/24/00 EDT, Bruce wrote: >I usually >play the menuet very gently, and without pedal, for the most part. It >sounds very delicate on a light registration, with flute/string or >flute/principal dialog, even flute or principal/light reed !   I find it interesting that the registration for the Introduction and the Minuet are exactly the same--fonds and reeds. I've been learning this = suite slowly this past spring and summer, and thought at first, it was wrong, = but the longer I play it and work the minuet up-to-tempo, it does actually work. It's a totally different "feel" but really works. I do, obviously, take the 16's off for the minuet.   When Marie-Claire played the Suite for her concert at CRPC, she played the the "Priere" with just straight 8's and no wobble. If the organ is big enough and has enough 8's it works, but still, all-in-all, I like a mild celeste on Priere. So many people play the "Toccata" with the mixtures a-blazing, but there is no need as the score indicates. The tessitura of the right hand and with the reeds drawn provides enough brilliance.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:20:29 -0400   >Thank you Roy for having the nerve to bring up the subject. We need an >organ builder's site or some such site. I to am tired of deleting a sad >story about a bad service or the problems an organist has with the = church. >lamar >   There is orgue-l, which is a moderated list for serious organbuilding discussions.   We organists need a pretty open format like pipechat to blow steam off- = not many of us have calliopes to channel it through!   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:54:22 +0800   Lighten up Roy! Life's too short!   Roy Redman wrote:   > At the risk of being scourged and thrown out, may I humbly suggest that > we need a new list or lists. I was warned, but decided to try both > lists for a while. Now I find that, in spite of the names, neither are > primarily about the pipe organ. Surely there are many others out there > who are tired of deleting the many postings on other topics! I, for > one, am certainly not interested in dicsussing the latest bites or > barks, and I have deleted enough wedding stories to last several > lifetimes. I understand that organists need a list for discussing > repertoire and technique, and perhaps tell a few wedding stories, but > this, > along with the electronic interests, makes our list much too broad to be > practical. I think this is the source of the many fights on the list > recently. > Webmasters, and others, please consider adding more lists of spicific > interest. > Roy Redman > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:11:11 +0800   Can this be correct. Not iun my country anyway where the nearest tuner can = be 500 km away! I learned to tune reeds very early in my career and to fix = common faults. Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > An astute observation. Most organists have never been in their chambers > nor have tuned a single pipe. Of all the musical instruments, the piano > and organ stand alone in their apparent divorce of their technical = aspects > from their respective players. >    
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:33:40 EDT   Dear Bruce:   What made the priest think you were mad at him by the way you played the = first hymn? Did you play it in the rhythm of Celestial Banquet? <hehe> Or was = using certain stops the tip off? <hehe>   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: "make it pretty" From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:20:26 EDT   Dear Bud:   Is there room for a Moller Artiste or other small pipe organ of three = ranks or so? I take it the room is rather small. Why a Hammond? <geez> This is the Holy Anglo Church!   I had a line on a German reed organ of 21 ranks, but lost it, it even had = a mixture! This was about a week ago. :=3D( A guy came and snapped it up plus a 17 = rank Vocalian and an Estey. I bet he didn't pay the going price of $6,000 for = the German model, but made a deal no one could refuse! Italian lingo there!   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: "make it pretty" From: <JamesM8336@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:53:48 EDT   Bud - Don't be a pessimist. I use The Celestial Banquet on occassion = and others of that ilk, but not too frequently. I get comments such as "that = was different. What is it?" Meaning "I don't think I like it." But it = gives me a chance to explain what it is and when it was written. People are usually interested. But, granted, it doesen't have an immediate appeal. = So what? Mix it up I say!   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:31:25 -0400   > From: RonSeverin@aol.com > Subject: Re: "Approved" > > One of the prophets, I believe Isaah said > All of > our poor efforts are nothing but filthy rags. This should put things = into > perspective, > with His help, all things are acceptable to Him, even our filthy rags, > because it was > done to worship Him alone! > Good memory. Isaiah 64:6   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Bo=EBllmann's Suite Gothique From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:19:19   At 07:38 AM 7/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: >So many people play the "Toccata" with the mixtures >a-blazing, but there is no need as the score indicates. The tessitura of >the right hand and with the reeds drawn provides enough brilliance.<snip>   True enough! So many times the "Toccata" (as well as Widor's well worn example) are brightened to the point of pain. One has to remember the period from which these works emerged (although they're not exactly contemporaries) and register appropriately. The Bo=EBllmann provides a nice vehicle for showing off the unique intonation characteristics of good chorus reeds indeed, as do many other works from the period. As for the minuet, I have liked using a nice, light flue chorus of consonant pitches to contrast with the first movement, and I keep the tempo pretty brisk. Maybe I'm in error here?   DeserTBoB > >Yours, > >Darryl by the Sea > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN-BUILDERS, stay and talk to us From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:39:57   At 09:11 PM 7/24/2000 +0800, you wrote: >Can this be correct. Not iun my country anyway where the nearest tuner = can be >500 km away!<snip>   Yes, 'tis true in more urban and suburban settings. We don't live in the outback, mate!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: the Hammond from hell From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:47:06 -0700   Hi, Ron!   The present temporary chapel seats 135 ... it's about 2,000 sq ft. with a = 10-ft ceiling, padded pews and wall-to-wall carpeting. The Hammond is no better = or worse than anything ELSE would be in those kotex-box acoustics (grin). I'm more-or-less satisfied with it for THAT, as long as it WORKS, which it = tends NOT to do at the most INconvenient times, like Christmas and Easter.   The PROBLEM is the whole business about the widow of the donor of the = Hammond being on the Vestry ... she's DETERMINED that it will be the organ for all = time per omnia saecula saeculorum until Jesus comes, and that we can "upgrade" = it by adding more Leslies to it as it's moved into successively bigger rooms.   It's not going to be adequate for the interim chapel we're moving into ... = 3,000 sq ft, 40-ft ceiling ... much LESS the MAIN church (if it ever gets built) = ... 100' long by 50' wide by 75' tall, if they stick to the plans.   Sure, there's room for a Moller Artiste now; there's a cute little 4-rank Kimball of 1937 up in LA that we could get for $4700 and just roll it in = ... the whole thing's on a platform; there's room for 20-30 ranks in the interim = organ loft; I haven't calculated the space in the main church, since it's so far = down the road.   But it will BE the Hammond until she DIES; and the way things are going, = she's likely to outlive ME (grin).   I love old reed organs ... too bad about the German one. I would have = liked to have seen THAT.   I moved and restored a 2 m/p Vocalian for an Episcopal mission down in San Diego; then they ditched it for a Conn theatre organ. It's in a little = museum out in Lakeside now.   I'm on the lookout for a two-manual and pedal Mustel, but they are few and = far between and EXPENSIVE. But the SOUND is worth it.   I grew up on various models of Esteys, but you bump your knees on all the = 2 m/p models except one or two of the very late ones where the reed box was up = under the music rack, rather than directly under the keyboards.   Enough! Back to work ...   Cheers,   Bud   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Bud: > > Is there room for a Moller Artiste or other small pipe organ of three = ranks > or so? > I take it the room is rather small. Why a Hammond? <geez> This is the = Holy > Anglo Church! > > I had a line on a German reed organ of 21 ranks, but lost it, it even = had a > mixture! > This was about a week ago. :=3D( A guy came and snapped it up plus a 17 = rank > Vocalian and an Estey. I bet he didn't pay the going price of $6,000 for = the > German model, but made a deal no one could refuse! Italian lingo there! > > Ron > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Boellmann's Toccata From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:05:34 -0400   All this discussion about the performance of Boellmann's Gothic Suite, (especially the Toccata), brings to mind that fact that I was brought up = on the old English Columbia 78 rpm disc recorded by Eduarde Commette, playing the organ of St. Jean de Lyon, France, which my father had and which I = would play incessantly!   Soon after the war ended, in the late 1940's I did a motorcycling tour of France and made a point of going to Lyons to see this wonderful cathedral, and with immense luck, heard an elderly man playing the organ. I went up = to the console, and he nodded to me, indicating that I should stay. When he had finished the piece that he was playing, he stopped and warmly greeted me, and asked if I played the organ. I had to tell him (in my rather schoolboy French) that I did not play, but that I had always been = fascinated by the recording that Eduarde Commette had made of the Boellmann Toccata.   To which he replied, "I am he!" - and promptly proceeded to play it for = me. It was the greatest thrill for this young man, to have a personal performance of the organ piece that I loved so much, by the organist of = whom I had always revered. It is a memory that I have treasured for over fifty years.   I still have the LP re-issued version of Eduarde Commette playing the Boellmann, and it gives me as much pleasure now as it did back in the 1930's.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Music Staff Opening at St. Ignatius Loyola, NY! From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:38:30 EDT   Dear Friends,   Kent Tritle has asked me to call the information below to your attention, with the understanding that the process of selection has begun, so this is =   appearing here somewhat late. Please respond this week, if you feel this position matches your qualifications and experience, if you are very interested, and very importantly right now, can respond quickly either by = fax or e-mail as indicated below. Kent emphasized to me yesterday that "only serious candidates versed in traditional and contemporary (as in have you played in a band or some similar contemporary music ensemble?) styles = should apply."   I hope someone from the Lists might find this of interest, and, who knows what may happen? This whole place is suffused with wonderful energy, imagination, and musical integrity, in a building worthy of all that. In = the seven or eight years that I have been involved there through the organ project and as a regular listener, I have had more powerful musical experiences than in the rest of all my years put together - and that is a = lot of years!! Please feel free to write me if I can answer any questions, but =   really, if interested, you need to make direct contact with the church immediately.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< POSITION: ASSOCIATE MUSIC DIRECTOR TERMS: Full Time. $40,000 plus health benefits. Additional income from weddings, funerals, and some non-parish services. AVAILABLE: July 1, 2000 CONTACT: Kent Tritle, Director of Music, St. Ignatius Loyola Church Send resume and letter of introduction to Fax: (212) 734-3671, or E-mail: music@saintignatiusloyola.org. Applications accepted until position is filled.   We are seeking a well-rounded musician to join Kent Tritle, Director of Music Ministries; Nancianne Parrella, Associate Organist; and Hannah Lovejoy, Music Administrator as a team-member to direct a large, diverse music program ranging in style from traditional music of the Solemn Mass = to the contemporary and crossover idioms utilized in other liturgical = services. We strive to direct contrasting styles of worship to their highest point = of musical integrity. The successful candidate will report to Kent Tritle.   JOB DESCRIPTION/DUTIES: - Coordinate programming (with school faculty) and play for 45-55 = children's liturgies during the school year. - Assist/direct the Sunday evening contemporary liturgy. - Develop new children's choir program. - Play Sunday morning 9:30 am mass. (organ/cantor) - Assist with the volunteer choir program. - Coordinate house management for concert events. - Conduct educational tours and demonstrations of the Mander pipe organ. - Maintain the choral and orchestral music library. - Other duties as required.   REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: - Bachelor of Music required, Master of Music preferred. - Advanced proficiency at the piano and organ. - Ability to play well traditional and contemporary idioms. - Familiarity with the Roman Catholic liturgy. - Experience working with children's choirs. - Proactive, organized, articulate person with strong interpersonal = skills.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:34:13   At 10:33 AM 7/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >What made the priest think you were mad at him by the way you played the first >hymn?<snip>   Ah, yes, the miracle of live performance. Emotions can drive interpretation and performance, sometimes more than we realize.   To somewhat unscore the value of live performance (and show how much in jeopardy it is), there's a thread over on e-org about some guy proposing = to get a collection of hymns, prelude music, etc., MIDIfied on diskette for his church's Schantz and Allen MDS-25, saying, innocently, "...that they can be used when the organist isn't present." Bullroar! A job = elimination scheme in the works, if I ever saw one!   People just don't realize that recorded disk cannot equate to a live performance. bReWsE verfies that the element of live performance indeed does lend uniqueness to each and every performance, whether it be hymn accompaniment, voluntary work, whatever. A lot of the "'puter people" types seem to embrace this "organist on a diskette" concept, and the author, one F. Richard Burt, alludes to a doctor of music that uses disks during his services! Talk about cutting one's own throat!   A butterknife, gingerly inserted into the floppy disk slot and manipulated joyfully after thus inserted, will take care of the MIDI disk problem...if only temporarily!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: RE: Church burnt - more details From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:01:38 -0500   An opportunity for Taylor & Boody in nearby Staunton, VA....   Peter   .. I suspect that Bill McCorkle will have a new organ installed since the church was very proud = of the one that had been there.   TommyLee     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:33 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/00 10:34:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   << What made the priest think you were mad at him by the way you played = the first hymn?>>   I'm not sure how the priest keyed-in to my anger. Especially since I = wasn't even conscious of it myself. I had simply buried the incident, which I = don't even remember now. I could also, on a good day, nearly prevent him from =   being able to leave in procession with a good interlude. It was nice playing for someone who was sensitive. Unfortunately we were both young = and immature! We get along great, NOW! heeheehee   << Did you play it in the rhythm of Celestial Banquet? <hehe> Or was using certain stops the tip off? <hehe> >> It was the rhythm. I play it much more freely now! teehee   Yesterday, when I played the Purvis "Canzona on Liebster Jesu" I really jazzed up the melody with glanced notes and funky rhythmic devices. It = was too cool! It was almost slutty!!! heeheehee   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:21 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/00 3:55:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Hmmm...I THINK I'll politely decline.... >>   i know! Be WE have better things to do elsewhere!!!!   wooooooooohooooooooooheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:29 EDT   In a message dated 7/24/00 9:00:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << Lighten up Roy! Life's too short! >> Life is also too short not to have a place where you can peacefully = exchange ideas about something that is very special. To me that puts tracker = organs up on the top. I enjoy war stories about church music, weddings, = funerals, etc., but would really like to have a place where only pipe organs were discussed.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: "make it pretty" From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:32:51 +0200   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0055_01BFF5BF.19F1D120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >What IS at issue, of course, is that the compositions need to be in the = =3D tonal, >conservative Edwardian or Victorian STYLE in order to be acceptable.   >I thought perhaps some of the "milder" movements of Tournemire's =3D "L'Orgue Mystique" >might serve as an introduction to Langlais and Messiaen ... HAH!!!   To go back to my message aobut Messiaen that sparked at least some of =3D this discussion off: Messiaen is no stranger to our congregation. Our "real" organist (I just = =3D accompany the choir, and fill in when he's away) Dominique Sauer studied = =3D with Daniel Roth and plays French music till it's coming out of his (and = =3D our) ears, the mods included. There are some in the congregation who are = =3D honest and will say, "I couldn't really get to grips with the piece =3D having heard it only once, but I'll come and listen to it again" (we =3D usually play the same stuff at each of our five weekend masses). Some =3D grow to like it after a while, others don't. What I find difficult is =3D people who will decide, having heard a "modern" piece only once, that =3D they don't like it, or, worse still, will pronounce that they "don't =3D like modern music. Full stop (or period where many of you are!)". The =3D best things in life take time to appreciate. How many of you would claim = =3D to have felt the *full* impact of the St. Matthew Passion the first time = =3D you heard it?   What a lot of messages I'm sending today! I'll be competing with the =3D likes of dB, bReWsE and bUd soon!   Best wishes   Chris   Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0055_01BFF5BF.19F1D120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>&gt;What IS at issue, of course, is that the compositions need to =3D be in the=3D20 tonal,<BR>&gt;conservative Edwardian or Victorian STYLE in order to = be=3D20 acceptable.<BR><BR>&gt;I thought perhaps some of the = &quot;milder&quot;=3D20 movements of Tournemire's &quot;L'Orgue Mystique&quot;<BR>&gt;might =3D serve as an=3D20 introduction to Langlais and Messiaen ... HAH!!!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>To go back to my = =3D message aobut=3D20 Messiaen that sparked at least some of this discussion off:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>Messiaen is no stranger to our congregation. Our =3D &quot;real&quot;=3D20 organist (I just accompany the choir, and fill in when he's away) =3D Dominique=3D20 Sauer studied with Daniel Roth and plays French music till it's coming =3D out of=3D20 his (and our) ears, the mods included. There are some in the =3D congregation who=3D20 are honest and will say, &quot;I couldn't really get to grips with the =3D piece=3D20 having heard it only once, but I'll come and listen to it again&quot; =3D (we=3D20 usually play the same stuff at each of our five weekend masses). Some =3D grow to=3D20 like it after a while, others don't. What I find difficult is people who = =3D will=3D20 decide, having heard a &quot;modern&quot; piece only once, that they =3D don't like=3D20 it, or, worse still, will pronounce that they &quot;don't like modern =3D music.=3D20 Full stop (or period where many of you are!)&quot;. The best things in =3D life take=3D20 time to appreciate. How many of you would claim to have felt the *full* = =3D impact=3D20 of the St. Matthew Passion the first time you heard it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What a lot of = messages =3D I'm sending=3D20 today! I'll be competing with the likes of dB, bReWsE and bUd =3D soon!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Best wishes</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>Chris</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Frankenstrasse 5, = =3D D-49082=3D20 Osnabrueck<BR>Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568<BR>EMail: <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Chris_Johns@gmx.de">Chris_Johns@gmx.de</A>=3D20 </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0055_01BFF5BF.19F1D120--    
(back) Subject: Re: "Approved" From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:21:49 +0200   Dear Ron,   I agree with every word you say. I wish I was as good at keeping that perspective on my work 100% of the time as I (and I suspect God) would = like me to be.   Best wishes   Chris   >Dear Chris Johns:   >God is most happy with our efforts when we attempt to please Him alone. = He >doesn't expect perfect He expects worship. I tell people, I don't work = for you, or >the pastor, or anyone else, but God! He, afterall has done great things = for us, what we >truly owe Him in return is our feeble, humble, best, with Him doing most, or all the >work! I believe this pleases Him the most. One of the prophets, I believe Isaah said >All of our poor efforts are nothing but filthy rags. This should put = things into >perspective, with His help, all things are acceptable to Him, even our filthy rags, >because it was done to worship Him alone!   >Sincerely yours,   >Ron Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: @gmx.de