PipeChat Digest #1535 - Wednesday, July 26, 2000
 
Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
re:  organ for sale
  by "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com>
Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS)
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: organ for sale
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Robert Clooney" <basset3@warwick.net>
Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: double/triple posting of messages
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Eternal Hammond
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Eternal Hammond
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Eternal Hammond
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Eternal Hammond
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS)
  by "Bruce R. Schutrum" <bschutrum@neo.rr.com>
Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Dennis James- Stanford Theatre - Silent Film Series starts this Wednesday
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: double/triple posting of messages
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: double/triple posting of messages
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: double/triple posting of messages
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: List topics
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: List topics
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Interesting item on eBay web site item#388925196: THEATRE ORGAN - COMPTON
  by <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:19   At 10:08 AM 7/25/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Suzuki should have stuck to motorcycles.<snip>   A common misconception. Hideo Suzuki, who owns Ham/Suz, has no connection with Suzuki Motors, the GM-owned auto/motorcycle builder of Japan. This "other" Suzuki strictly concentrates on musical ventures.   >But it is HIGHLY unreliable ...<snip>   A hallmark of post-tonewheel Hammonds. Newer Hammond/Suzuki products are much improved in terms of reliability.   The 825 is basically a gussied-up "Super-B", the old Hammond Co.'s first stab at digital anything, and was carried on after the Suzuki takeover for a short time. The 820, which shares the nice console, was based on the neferious, LSI-based "B-3000", a well-known landfill occupant.   >But the donor is ADAMANT ... THIS will BE the organ. Period. Otherwise she will >leave the church and take all her friends with her (which amounts to St. Martha's >Guild ... everybody over 70 with money)<snip>   Churches...<snicker>   >The RECTOR mishandled this from the start ...<snip>   I always fancied that this was in every pastor/rector's job description....   >True, I hate the organ<snip>An ORGATRON in good condition would be a >BIG improvement!<snip>   Indeed. The Everett Orgatron, especially in its ten rank configuration, was Hammond's first serious competition in 1938, and was invented by a fellow from M=F6ller, who got fired for his efforts. Orgatrons had comfortable, well appointed 2 manual AGO consoles that would make any smallish pipe organ proud, and some were stripped of their reeds and indeed used for that purpose! Unfortunately, the Orgatron was bought during the War by Wurlitzer, who cheapened and "decontented" it into mediocrity, replacing it with tube divider organs by the late '50s.   I always wanted to find another ten rank Orgatron, channelize it, and add modern amp/loudspeaker system to it. I'd be willing to bet it would be quite a contender, even now! Weight was a problem on these...at ten ranks, it'd tip the scales at close to a half ton!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: re: organ for sale From: "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:05:59 -0700   Temporarily at St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Sacramento, CA, the following is offered for immediate sale:   Pipe organ by Geo. Jardine, ca. 1860: 1 manual (54 notes), 8 stops (7 ranks), ornate stained pine case with gilt facade pipes, hand pumped or electric blower, 7' 3" wide x 3' 5" deep x 11' 10" tall, restored per OHS guidelines, $15,000 or best offer.   Lee T. Lovallo ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS) From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:02:47 -0500   Now here's another idea -   Have them build the new sanctuary with a screen that almost hides the = organ - where all they can see is the top of your head when you play. Then get one of = those inflatable torsos that people buy so it doesn't look like they are alone = in the car. And hide the real organ console completely from view. Walk to the organ, = appear to sit down, put your "friend" on the bench, and crawl to the other organ. = Just make sure he never falls off while you are playing, and don't leave him behind = so they see you in 2 places at the same time. ;-)    
(back) Subject: Re: organ for sale From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:58 -0700   Hi, Lee!   Stoplist? Does it have pedals? Pedal stop?   Cheers,   Bud Clark St. Matthew's ACC Newport Beach CA   Lee T Lovallo wrote:   > Temporarily at St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Sacramento, CA, the = following > is offered for immediate sale: > > Pipe organ by Geo. Jardine, ca. 1860: 1 manual (54 notes), 8 stops (7 > ranks), ornate stained pine case with gilt facade pipes, hand pumped or > electric blower, 7' 3" wide x 3' 5" deep x 11' 10" tall, restored per = OHS > guidelines, $15,000 or best offer. > > Lee T. Lovallo > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Robert Clooney" <basset3@warwick.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:25:32 -0400   I play totally hidden by walls except the choir can see my head and raised arms. I really like it that way. Once when I subbed the organ was exposed "concert style." You couldn't grab a tissue, sip coffee during the lessons, or unwrap a coughdrop without the entire congregation seeing it. Now I have a small chair and use the bench as a desk so I can make good use of down time during lessons and sermon. Just hop right back up during the closing prayer.   P.S. The sextant asked me to please not place any music or hymnals on top of the organ itself as he tries to keep a nice sheen on it. Lemon Pledge does wonders for a '71 Rodgers 990--just like new!   Just some summer musings. Robert Clooney (Middletown, NY)  
(back) Subject: Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:38:55   At 02:02 PM 7/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >...put your "friend" on the bench, and crawl to the other organ. Just = make >sure he never falls off while you are playing<snip>   Suddenly, I have mental visuals of "Otto Pilot" from "Airplane!"   DeserTBoB   "Surely you can't be serious!" "I AM serious...and don't call me Shirley..."  
(back) Subject: Re: double/triple posting of messages From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:13:19 EDT   Thomas:   What's even worse is when someone posts a message to one list and the = replies are sent under another. It's very confusing to those of us who = only subscribe to one list.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: Eternal Hammond From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0500   Is it just me, or do Hammonds never burn in church fires? Or are they = just not worth mentioning? Maynard   Bruce Behnke wrote:   > >But it will BE the Hammond until she DIES; > > I have found that a can of Diet Cola inadvertently (you bet) spilled = over > the keyboard can lead to the early demise of an instrument. It is > certainly cheaper and less risky than taking out a contract on the dear > old woman. > > Bruce > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Eternal Hammond From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:00:13 -0500   Listers- Why don't we all get together and buy Bud a nice Wurli or = Morton- say 2 manual, 7 or 8 ranks-worth complete with all the bells and whistles!   BTW, I'll even throw-in an 8 foot oboe I have in a tray out in the shop.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Eternal Hammond From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:01:57   At 04:36 PM 7/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Is it just me, or do Hammonds never burn in church fires? Or are they = just >not worth mentioning?<snip>   From the classic Hammond tonewheel organ service manual: "It is unlikely that an organ cannot be restored to service, unless damage is due to fire or explosion."   Many a Hammond tech has been able to drag tonewheel Hammonds out of disasterous fires, clean up the guts, install in a new console, and away they go...again...forever. Post-tonewheel Hammonds couldn't survive the smoke. Usually, exposure to cigarette smoke is enough to seriously screw up an LSI Hammond.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Eternal Hammond From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:21:53 EDT   Dear Rick:   There is a ten rank tracker he's interested in, on the organ trader. It = just needs to look like a Hammond 825 when they finish with it, not his preference, the widow's.   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS) From: "Bruce R. Schutrum" <bschutrum@neo.rr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:24:09 -0400   on 7/25/00 10:34 AM, Bob Scarborough at desertbob@rglobal.net wrote:   > Indeed. The Everett Orgatron, especially in its ten rank configuration, > was Hammond's first serious competition in 1938, and was invented by a > fellow from M=F6ller, who got fired for his efforts. Was this Victor Zuck?   >Orgatrons had > comfortable, well appointed 2 manual AGO consoles that would make any > smallish pipe organ proud, and some were stripped of their reeds and inde= ed > used for that purpose! I'm using one for my home organ - tilting tablets replaced the stop tongues= .. Key actions were all rebuilt with hinged keyboards. I still have the reeds and blower somewhere.   >Unfortunately, the Orgatron was bought during the > War by Wurlitzer, who cheapened and "decontented" it into mediocrity,   In the late sixties I played in the summers at a church with one of these Wurlitzers. The church also had a 2 manual/pedal 9 rank tracker in good working order but I was not permitted to use this for church. Since replace= d by a Wicks, I believe.   Bruce    
(back) Subject: Re: Not your mother's B-3 (wish it WAS) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:55:01   At 05:24 PM 7/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Was this Victor Zuck?<snip>   Yes, indeedy...reportedly still alive and doing well.   >I'm using one for my home organ - tilting tablets replaced the stop = tongues. >Key actions were all rebuilt with hinged keyboards. >I still have the reeds and blower somewhere.<snip>   ....as the partially eaten fish from Discover.com's commercial says, = "Wow..."   >The church also had a 2 manual/pedal 9 rank tracker in good >working order but I was not permitted to use this for church. Since = replaced >by a Wicks, I believe.<snip>   How bright can you get! Could this have been yet another situation when the e-org salesman told the pastor or the council, "if you keep using that pipe organ, one day it's going to completely fall apart!"?   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Dennis James- Stanford Theatre - Silent Film Series starts this Wednesday From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:27:55 EDT   It's that time again- Summer Silents at the Stanford Theatre in Palo Alto, =   California. This year the nine week season begins this Wednesday night = with the ever-popular Harold Lloyd in his skyscraper classic SAFETY LAST. New this year is the weekly double-feature additional screenings of rare films =   from the Stanford Theatre's own film collection preserved at its own film = lab in Hollywood in conjunction with the UCLA Film & Television Archive. All silent film programs will be accompanied by Dennis James at the Mighty WurliTzer.   The series is devoted mostly to comedy and romance (with a few darker = films included for those whose lives are already too bright). Beautiful 35mm = prints will be shown at the original projection speeds. Each program has a start =   time of 7:30 p.m. The theatre is located at 221 University Avenue in = downtown Palo Alto just 2 blocks East of the main Palo Alto Cal Trans train station =   (Phone 650-324-3700). The non-profit Stanford Theatre Foundation is dedicated to the preservation and public exhibition of films from the = golden age of Hollywood. Tickets for the double features are $6.00 for adults, $4.00 for seniors over 65, and $3.00 for youth under 18.   7/26 Safety Last (1923, Harold Lloyd) plus Oh, Doctor! (1925, Reginald Denny) 8/2 Peter Pan (1924, Betty Bronson) plus That's My Daddy (1928, = Reginald Denny) 8/9 It (1927, Clara Bow) plus The Plastic Age (1925, Clara Bow) 8/16 Seven Chances (1925, Buster Keaton) plus The Homemaker (1925, = Alice Joyce) 8/23 The Lost World (1925, Bessie Love) plus The Green Goddess (1923, Alice Joyce) 8/30 Changing Husbands (1924, Raymond Griffith) plus Sensation Seekers (1927, Billie Dove) 9/6 Stage Struck (1925, Gloria Swanson) plus Soul-Fire (1925, Richard Barthelmess) 9/13 Skinner's Dress Suit (1926, Reginald Denny) plus What Happened to Jones (1926, Reginald Denny) 9/20 The Cat and the Canary (1927, Laura LaPlante) plus The Bright = Shawl (1923, Richard Barthelmess, Edward G. Robinson, Mary Astor, William = Powell, Dorothy Gish)                  
(back) Subject: Re: double/triple posting of messages From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:18:26 -0400   Not only is it NOT necessary - it is an intrusion ! As are the constant flow of "me too" posts that continually flood my inbox.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:27:59 -0500 (CDT) charder@ties.k12.mn.us (Charles Harder) writes: > > >In the past several weeks I have noticed there not only double, but > >sometimes triple posting of the same message on pipeorg, pipechat > and > >organchat. > > > >Is this really necessary? > > > Yes, it is necessary and I welcome it. Not everyone subscribes to > all > three lists or even to two lists. > > > Charles Harder > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: double/triple posting of messages From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:47:58   At 08:18 PM 7/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Not only is it NOT necessary - it is an intrusion ! As are the constant >flow of "me too" posts that continually flood my inbox.<snip>   Something's been happening, on more than one list, that is indeed sending double posts of the same message. Oddly, it's most often happening on e-org, but I've been getting it here, too. I'm at a loss to explain = what's going on.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: double/triple posting of messages From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:46:47 -0500   At 7/25/00 06:47 PM, DeserTBoB wrote:   >Something's been happening, on more than one list, that is indeed sending >double posts of the same message.   Hey Hey BoB!! BoB!!   I I dunno dunno what's what's wrong wrong with with things things lately-- lately--   I I haven't haven't had had any any problems problems with with double double posts... posts...   Tim Tim   (OK -- everybody LAUGH with me now! PLEASE?!?! Life's too short = already!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:53:29 -0400 (EDT)   >>so I can make good use of down time during lessons and sermon.<<   I hate to be a stick in the mud, but sermons and lessons are not "down times."   As I write this retort, in my mind's ear I hear the old Sunday School song: "God has something to say to you...."   I'm sorry, but this post was very troubling to me as a "church music professional".   Blessings, everyone. Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:13:35   At 11:53 PM 7/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I hate to be a stick in the mud, but sermons and lessons are not "down >times."   Paraphrasing the lady comedian from the '50s, "Didja come ta play da = ohgan, or go ta choich?"   >As I write this retort, in my mind's ear I hear the old Sunday School >song: "God has something to say to you...."<snip>   Whatever. To me, it was all "downtime" to set up for the next hymn, anthem, voluntary, whatever. If you want to be all "churchy", that's up = to you.   >I'm sorry, but this post was very troubling to me as a "church music >professional".<snip>   You do your thing, others will do theirs. You are not in a position to judge, nor dictate to others what their "religious behavior" should be. = As a musician, any time I had to set up combons, lay out music, cue the choristers, whatever, is time well spent, since my duty was that of a musician, not some Pharisee trying to show public piety.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:38:47 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/00 7:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << Well go ahead Bruce. Personally I'm getting about 90 posts a day on two =   lists and can't handle any more. >>   Well, not to be too curmudgeonly, it would not be a high volume list if we =   stick to the subject. I'm on a similar list based in the UK (Pipeorgans) =   and sometime it is silent for weeks., but it's a good lsit, nevertheless.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: List topics From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:55:49   At 12:38 AM 7/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I'm on a similar list based in the UK (Pipeorgans) >and sometime it is silent for weeks., but it's a good lsit, nevertheless.<snip>   Theaterorgans-l seems to be moribund most of the time, also...or they've absconded with my e-mail address! hehehehehehe!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#388925196: THEATRE ORGAN - COMPTON (Melotone) From: <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:40:48 PDT   Now, HERE'S something you don't see every day...   ...a Compton MELOTON in obviously VERY nice condition!   Title of item: THEATRE ORGAN - COMPTON (Melotone) Seller: nhkauctions@home.com Starts: Jul-21-00 21:42:58 PDT Ends: Jul-31-00 21:42:58 PDT Price: Starts at $14,900.00 To bid on the item, go = to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D388925196     Item Description: COMPTON (Melotone) 3 manual Since 1932 all Compton organs have been based = on the electrostatic system of tone generation. This organ is one of = approx. 250 produced by John Compton of London, England. Pictures include = the full view, drums, bell, triangle box, keyboard view, side view, back = #1 bottom, back#2 top. We have tried to find out how many are left, to no avail other than the Compton list in London. I would assume that at least half = of the 250 have been scrapped. Hence this one is fairly rare. It is in perfect working order and needs a home.   Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at = http://www.ebay.com