PipeChat Digest #1536 - Wednesday, July 26, 2000
 
Re: double/triple posting of messages
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
retiring
  by "Norman Chapman" <normanchapman@hotmail.com>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: retiring
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: retiring
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: retiring
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: retiring
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: retiring
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: retiring
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: retiring
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: retiring
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: retiring
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: retiring
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re:   Jardine 1m for sale
  by "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com>
Bach Recital Program
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: double/triple posting of messages From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:01:54 -0500   I have not been receiving multiple copies of messages - but I have been receiving messages out of order. I get responses sometimes hours before = the original post.   A couple of weeks ago, there were several days when my ISP server was = apparently having problems and each time I downloaded e-mail I would get copies of = the stuff I had already read again.   Cross-posting to more than one list doesn't bother me, because I know = there are a lot of people on only one list - and things like concert announcements = are of interest to all. But it is VERY much nicer when the sender puts = "Cross-posted" in front of the subject - then I just delete the extra copy without = bothering to read.   Tim Bovard wrote:   > At 7/25/00 06:47 PM, DeserTBoB wrote: > > >Something's been happening, on more than one list, that is indeed = sending > >double posts of the same message. >    
(back) Subject: retiring From: "Norman Chapman" <normanchapman@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:33:22 GMT   Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt and with aminimum of fuss--or how you get into a SEMI-retired state.--Or for that matter how you,even in MID-career, free yourself from the constant feeling =   that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY--or whatever your days are. I guess I'm talking about someone who is = PART-TIME. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:19:17 EDT   Greetings All,   I agree with DesertBob here on this one. As church musicians our JOB is = to do music. This means that to do our job if we have to inform choir members =   on last moment changes, change combons, pull that rogue ciphering pipe on the oboe, find one more copy of the Anthemn, etc, then thats what we do. = A few times during mass, if the priest has forgotten something for communion = - they gracefully skip out to the sacristy to get what they need and come back.   Now I am not saying have a party in the loft and certainly liturgical decorum must be had - but if something NEEDS to be done then DO IT!   All the Best,   Erik       ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:16:46   At 03:33 PM 7/26/2000 GMT, you wrote: >Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt<snip>   Guilt?? WHAT guilt? You just quit! You've done your work, you don't = want to do it anymore, so you just walk away and enjoy the freedom.   One of the things that made me get out of the "church music bizz" was this feeling of being completely trapped into a career with miserable pay, non-existant benefits, NO pension plan (IMPORTANT...ask Bud), and one that prevents one from persuing purer musical interests, instead being confined to "the hits" that a particular congregation demands. What have they done for YOU lately? Not much. How can anyone be so attached to such a job? If you're "churchy" and want to give praise and glory, go to church and = let someone else handle it! I left "church music" a long time ago as a means of sustinence, persued a good career and now am retired, with full medical and vision benefits, a nice income, security for my old age, and I can = play whatever I want, whenever I want.   I saw this same sort of affliction among some people in the workplace over the years; people get a sense of "ownership"..."this is MINE"...and = reality based issues, like pay, benefits, fair treament, worker/management = respect, retirement and the like get way out of focus. THOSE are the things that matter to a person's welfare, NOT pretige, "ownership", and other non-tangible facets. One must do for one's self what one needs to survive and live a good life. "Guilt" about leaving a job that's really a lousy one is the sign on neurosis and/or low self-esteem.   There's no question about how to leave a "church job"...quote that C&W singer and tell them to "Take this job and shove it!" I did, and had a better life for it.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:17:19 -0400 (EDT)   >>This means that to do our job if we have to inform choir members on last moment changes, change combons, pull that rogue ciphering pipe on the oboe, find one more copy of the Anthemn, etc, then thats what we do. A few times during mass, if the priest has forgotten something . . . to get what they need and come back.<<   Erik, there is a difference between what you have said here and what the original poster said.   Your point, if I read you right, is that we are preparing for the next element in worship, which is absolutely true. But we still don't ignore the word of God in doing so.   The original poster said he (or she, I forget) uses his/her organ "bench" as a desk, doing this or that during the "down time." Big difference here.   I will stand by my post. If church musicians want to be heard and listened to, then it's high time that we get a clue and know what's going on in the other parts of the service.   We do not do our craft in a vacuum. We are making music in the presence of the Almighty God. And, He still has something to say to us, too!!!!   Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:36:49 -0500   Norman, when you find out, let me know. A corollary is how does one find = a replacement? There are virtually no available musicians in my area - all have jobs. Right now I can only call on one of two people for substitute work, and have to spend a month training them on the chants, service = music, order of service and even the hymns. Therefore, it's more work to take = off a Sunday than to plan events around being at church on Sunday. I don't = mind being an organist - it gives me a modicum of pleasure to play for the = glory of God, but it would be nice to leave sometimes for vacation/sabbatical without all the work and worry.   I have found no young ones interested in learning organ - I have offered = to teach for free. I cannot even find children who are interested in singing anymore. The organ is nice, and the liturgy is so beautiful, that I don't want it to die for lack of a musician when age, arthritis, death, = whatever, eliminates me.   Of course, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and give notice - sometimes it takes crisis to galvanize a church into constructive action. = I for one am not ready to burn bridges yet, although the thought has crossed the area posing as my mind many times.   May you hit on the right course of action for you.   Glenda Sutton     ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Chapman <normanchapman@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <normanchapman@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:33 AM Subject: retiring     > Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt and = with > aminimum of fuss--or how you get into a SEMI-retired state.--Or for that > matter how you,even in MID-career, free yourself from the constant = feeling > that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY--or > whatever your days are. I guess I'm talking about someone who is PART-TIME. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:03:26 EDT   Dear Norman:   I think you are suffereing from burn out! A vacation perhaps! Take it from = me, I tried retirement. You find yourself looking for mental stimulation, and = you wind up doing more work than before. Now there is the advantage of picking and choosing what you will do which is not doing what you have to, but what = you want to. Wood working was very satisfying for me. I was a burned out = teacher. This was a totally different thing to do, birdhouses, children's toy = chests for my grandchildren. The one thing that will burn you out at home is the = "Honey Do List". Being in the clutches of "honey" is well, run fast in the other direction! Quick! Do the things you always wanted to do and couldn't find the time. Honey = will fill up all your time if you let her. I'm probably now on the hit list of all honey's! Take time to smell the roses, go to Europe if you've never been, see = Westminster Abbey, Big Ben. Go to France or where ever you've always wanted to go. Tour! Boat =   Cruise!   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:03:41 -0400   > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net > Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed   We had a fantastic example of this just this past Sunday. We had an unusually gifted guest preacher, who preached a sermon that I heard people raving about and discussing excitedly not only at coffee hour, but in the parish house a half hour later, and out on the sidewalk even later than that. It was a barn-burner, as we used to say in North Dakota--on = "Breaking Down the Barriers" (RCL 2nd reading: Eph. 2:14). Our super-perceptive organist was listening during this alleged "down-time," of course, and it occurred to him that the Hymn of the Day (which follows the sermon), while = a superb choice, could be even better, to echo the sermon. So after the sermon he just sat there in the choir stall for 30 or 40 seconds and then stepped up to the lectern and announced that the Hymn of the Day would be [his new choice]. Then to the console to take us into it. It doubled the value of the already superb homily; if he'd been on down time, we'd have lost that.   Thank you, Neil.   Alan > > This means that to do our job if we have to inform choir members on > last moment changes, change combons, pull that rogue ciphering pipe on > the oboe, find one more copy of the Anthemn, etc, then thats what we do. > A few times during mass, if the priest has forgotten something . . . to > get what they need and come back.<< > > Erik, there is a difference between what you have said here and what the > original poster said. > > Your point, if I read you right, is that we are preparing for the next > element in worship, which is absolutely true. But we still don't ignore > the word of God in doing so. > > The original poster said he (or she, I forget) uses his/her organ > "bench" as a desk, doing this or that during the "down time." Big > difference here. > > I will stand by my post. If church musicians want to be heard and > listened to, then it's high time that we get a clue and know what's > going on in the other parts of the service. > > We do not do our craft in a vacuum. We are making music in the presence > of the Almighty God. And, He still has something to say to us, too!!!! > > Neil Brown > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:23:41 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 12:21:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << Now I am not saying have a party in the loft and certainly liturgical decorum must be had - but if something NEEDS to be done then DO IT! >>   However, whenever I play a service I am well prepared to the point that I don't need to do all that stuff people are complaining about doing. I played in a large RC parish and directed the choir, but still did not use extra books pre-assembled for convenience (they leave no room for change). = I did not use the pistons on the 2/21 organ, but it only took a few second = to select the stops I needed. I was always able to participate in the Mass, = and the only time I left the room was when I had to take care of a problem (speakers off in the cry room, mikes not working, etc). It's simply a = matter of being prepared and well-practiced. The pistons were set up so that I could make spontaneous changes in registration at will. The scout's = motto holds true: be prepared!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:23:40 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 11:34:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, normanchapman@hotmail.com writes:   << Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt and = with aminimum of fuss--or how you get into a SEMI-retired state.--Or for that matter how you,even in MID-career, free yourself from the constant = feeling that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY >>   Sounds like you're there! When you have done your duty, you need to = back off and refresh yourself. I'm really enjoying singing in someone else's choir and practicing for my own enjoyment.   Personally, I think a complete break is the best. As long as your are = even minimally involved you are going to be concerned about what goes on. = The only way to successfully retire is to first of all, say so: I am going to =   retire. Secondly, tell them when: I am giving you one month's notice. If you = are part-time, this is more than generous. But sitck to it. I remember = reading about a woman who died after being interim organist in a church for = something like 30 years. Churches don't like to accept resignations, but they will =   fill the position AFTER you leave.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:31:36 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 12:29:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << One of the things that made me get out of the "church music bizz" was = this feeling of being completely trapped into a career with miserable pay, non-existant benefits, NO pension plan (IMPORTANT...ask Bud), and one = that prevents one from persuing purer musical interests, instead being = confined to "the hits" that a particular congregation demands. >>   Thank heaven you did.... or else you'd have become CRABBY!!!     WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA   <<If you're "churchy" and want to give praise and glory, go to church and = let someone else handle it! >>   Gotta agree! I've really been enjoying this. ... and I'm NOT crabby! wooohoooooooo   << I saw this same sort of affliction among some people in the workplace = over the years; people get a sense of "ownership"..."this is MINE"...and = reality based issues, like pay, benefits, fair treament, worker/management = respect, retirement and the like get way out of focus. THOSE are the things that matter to a person's welfare, NOT pretige, "ownership", and other non-tangible facets. >>   In addition, knowing that you can exist without that (particular) job is crucial to healthy self-esteem. Being able to keep yourself detached from your career is paramount. You are a person first!   << There's no question about how to leave a "church job"...quote that C&W singer and tell them to "Take this job and shove it!" I did, and had a better life for it. >>   Or, if you'd like to be more Scriptural about it. Just "hand 'em their pearls!!!"   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:35:07 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 1:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   << A corollary is how does one find a replacement? There are virtually = no available musicians in my area - all have jobs. Right now I can only call = on one of two people for substitute work, and have to spend a month training them on the chants, service music, order of service and even the hymns. >>   Finding a sub should not matter. If you have the time, take it! Maybe after a couple of Sunday's without, they'll discover that you just might = be valuable.     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:41:13 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 2:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, afreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   << Our super-perceptive organist was listening during this alleged "down-time," of course, and it occurred to him that the Hymn of the Day (which follows the sermon), while a superb choice, could be even better, to echo the sermon. So after the sermon he just sat there in the choir stall for 30 or 40 seconds and then stepped up to the lectern and announced that the Hymn of the Day would be [his new choice]. >>   I have always let preachers know that if, in the course of their sermon, = they felt a hymn other than the preselected one should follow, to feel free to change. There also have been times when I felt that the sermon brought = to mind other hymns and I would change the hymn. People seemed to appreciate it, but I never got so much as a 'thanks or KMB' from the = clergy.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 26 Jul 2000 13:01:24 -0700   I must be missing something here.   A tight labor supply is supposed to drive wages and benefits UP. That's = what's keeping Alan Greenspan awake at night. And yet I'm hearing = complaints about (a) the difficulty of finding replacements and = substitutes, and (b) the lousy pay and benefits. Sometimes, I'm hearing = both in the same message.   If I felt underappreciated and underpaid, I don't think I'd feel guilty = about taking a week off or retiring.   Dick Meckstroth      
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:47:57   At 01:01 PM 7/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >A tight labor supply is supposed to drive wages and benefits UP. That's what's keeping Alan Greenspan awake at night.<snip>   American standards of living are DOWN from 25 years ago, according to real indicators, not corporately-fluffed ones. But, that gets political, and I'm wisely not going there!   Most of my organist chums are indeed in the "poverty bracket" in terms of wages, benefits and working conditions. Those that aren't are working their butts off just trying to keep an even keel. Needless to say, the typical "church musician" job description incumbent is horrifically taken advantage of, and is usually treated like some sort of involuntary = servant. Even incumbents at pretigeous venues aren't paid what I would think would be a fair salary, considering their experience, talents and education.   Greenspan and Wall Streeters showing signs of apprehension at any sign of workers getting some relief is a sign of a sick society, IMHO!   That's it...no further rhetoric, hyperbole, invective or other annoying content from ME today! hehehehehehe!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:16:33 +0800   We don't all think that way, Bob, and thank heaven for that! What a = cynical attitude! My playing for church services is one of the most enjoyable activities in my life. I enjoy it, I play what I want to play, I put up = with some rubbishy hymns at times as there are plenty of good ones sung, I = train my choir, and there are hundreds like me. For this I am paid nothing. I get no allowances. Church organists are = largely unpaid in this country except in cathedrals and the largest churches but = we hear no complaints about that. If you feel that way about playing in = church it seems you have no commitment to the job and the church may be better off without that sort of attitude. Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 03:33 PM 7/26/2000 GMT, you wrote: > >Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt<snip> > > Guilt?? WHAT guilt? You just quit! You've done your work, you don't = want > to do it anymore, so you just walk away and enjoy the freedom. > > One of the things that made me get out of the "church music bizz" was = this > feeling of being completely trapped into a career with miserable pay, > non-existant benefits, NO pension plan (IMPORTANT...ask Bud), and one = that > prevents one from persuing purer musical interests, instead being = confined > to "the hits" that a particular congregation demands. What have they = done > for YOU lately? Not much. How can anyone be so attached to such a job? > If you're "churchy" and want to give praise and glory, go to church and = let > someone else handle it! I left "church music" a long time ago as a = means > of sustinence, persued a good career and now am retired, with full = medical > and vision benefits, a nice income, security for my old age, and I can = play > whatever I want, whenever I want. > > I saw this same sort of affliction among some people in the workplace = over > the years; people get a sense of "ownership"..."this is MINE"...and = reality > based issues, like pay, benefits, fair treament, worker/management = respect, > retirement and the like get way out of focus. THOSE are the things that > matter to a person's welfare, NOT pretige, "ownership", and other > non-tangible facets. One must do for one's self what one needs to = survive > and live a good life. "Guilt" about leaving a job that's really a lousy > one is the sign on neurosis and/or low self-esteem. > > There's no question about how to leave a "church job"...quote that C&W > singer and tell them to "Take this job and shove it!" I did, and had a > better life for it. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:51:18   At 10:16 AM 7/27/2000 +0800, you wrote: >If you feel that way about playing in church it >seems you have no commitment to the job and the church may be better off >without that sort of attitude.<snip>   As I said, I quit "church jobs" a long, long ago, and was much happier for it. As bReWsE said, it'd tend to make me "crabby"!<snarf snarf!>   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Jardine 1m for sale From: "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:10:51 -0700   Several readers have asked for more information on my original posting regarding the pipe organ for sale at St. Paul's, Sacramento. I hope the following description will be of interest. --Lee Lovallo   Manual, 54 notes, C-f3: Stopped Diapason Bass, Stopped Diapason Treble (rohrflute), Open Diapason (TG), Principal, Fifteenth, [4'] Flute (TG), Dulciana (TG), Clariana (TG). There is no pedalboard. Unbalanced swell, does not hitch down. The double rise bellows can be handpumped or supplied via an electric blower in the case. Cabinet is stained pine with ten non-speaking, gilt wooden pipes in the facade.   The precise year of manufacture of the organ is unclear, but it is identified in a Jardine circular of 1869 as being at the Presbyterian Church in Clarkesville, Tennessee. The church's first building in Clarkesville was erected in 1839-40, and it is possible that the Jardine predates the Civil War period, based on Peter Cameron's review of the style of its casework. It was replaced in 1878 with a new organ, possibly by Henry Erben, and two years later the Jardine was moved to a church or estate in Nashville by Charles Simon Hahn, active as an organ builder in Nashville from 1871-1898. Its last known regular use was at the Guyandotte Methodist Episcopal Church in what is now Huntington, West Virginia, sometime between the years 1915 and 1947. In 1984 it was acquired by San Francisco organ restorer Edward M. Stout III in an auction sale from the musical instrument collection of Kenneth Black of Palo Alto, California. Kept in storage in an airplane hangar in Hayward, California for ten years, in 1994 it was purchased by Lee T. Lovallo Pipe Organs, which restored the Jardine per OHS guidelines, recreating the lost casework above the cornice and the center front panel working from photos of similar contemporaneous Jardines in the South, and completing the work in May 2000.   The organ is offered for sale at $15,000. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Bach Recital Program From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:20:40 EDT   In Remembrance of of Bach Friday, 28 July, 12:15 (following Noon Prayers)   Holy Trinity Episcopal Church - Gainesville, Florida Bruce Cornely, organist   Eight Little Preludes and Fugues   Hymn (Sleepers, Wake!) Schubler Chorale I   Trio in e-flat - Largo   Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (in trio form)   Toccata and Fugue in e-minor (Cathedral)   Hymn - O Sacred Head Chorale Prelude from Miscellaneous Compositions   Sheep May Safely Graze (Birthday Cantata)   Hymn - O God, thou faithful God Chorale Variations   Toccata and Fugue in d-minor (the usual)   Now Thank We All Our God (arr Fox)   ----   I can't remember the exact nickname of the "Cathedral" e-minor's fugue. =   From the recurrent motif with the mordent, it is called the "Hunting Horn" = or something like that. Help! (please)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502