PipeChat Digest #1537 - Thursday, July 27, 2000
 
Re: retiring
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach Recital Program
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: retiring
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring"
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Fw: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring"
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring"
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Re: Jardine 1m for sale
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:23:03 -0700   Ordinarily I'd stay out of a discussion like this, but I make my living in another "creative" field that is suffering from a similar malaise.   Obviously, I don't know the conditions in the church where Bob Elms plays, but if they are taking in money some of it should go back out to the organist. A professional, one who has learned his or her craft/art = deserves payment for their work, and it is the availability of "volunteers" that places such professionals in jeopardy.   This holds true for both performers and organ technicians. When someone comes along who is willing to do the job for little or nothing, the = working professional is devalued.   In my field the pay rates are lower than they were when I began some 15 years ago. I'd guess that it is much the same for working organists and technicians. Yet the demands are, if anything, greater.   Churches aren't solely at fault for this. Our society now thinks it's just fine to screw the people at the bottom of the heap so the few can get wealthy....   I have never heard of an architect donating his or her services to a = church. I'm sure the utility companies send bills, too. And the ministers/rectors/priests/rabbis/whatever certainly wouldn't be there = unless they got their cut. But nobody bats an eye when the organist is forced to subsist on packaged macaroni & cheese and can't afford to pay for health insurance.   On this issue I have to side completely with the DeserT-man. If it weren't for the "I'd do it for free" types and the tin-eared church administrators who wouldn't know the difference between (your favorite organist's name here) and the guy who plays a Hammond spinet (poorly) at home and is = willing to grind out some hymns on Sunday morning, maybe the AGO could wield some serious power in getting a better deal for organists.   Me? I don't play well enough to hold down a church gig but if I did I = would expect--insist--on being paid for my talent.   Oh yeah -- change of subject!! -- what's this about dESERtbOb and Robert-Mortons, Wurlitzers and Buddy Cole? You gettin' to know where the really good sounds are to be found now that you're out on the burning = sands?   Ray    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Recital Program From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:42:20   At 12:20 AM 7/27/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In Remembrance of of Bach<schniipwerken> > >Eight Little Preludes and Fugues <snip>   Ah! I thought that some bunch of academics popped up not long ago and = said that the "Eight Little..." weren't Bach's at all, but were possibly penned by his students. Anyone know the story on this?   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:46:45   At 09:23 PM 7/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Oh yeah -- change of subject!! -- what's this about dESERtbOb and >Robert-Mortons, Wurlitzers and Buddy Cole? You gettin' to know where the >really good sounds are to be found now that you're out on the burning sands?<snip>   I've been a fan of Buddy Cole's since I was a kid. His smooth, orchestral style on the fabled Morton (later WurliMorton) are a welcome change from the overcooked TO mainstream stuff. Ditto his fine pianos style and his unique work on the Hammond. He was quite a musician...at least "Der Bingle", Hank Mancini and a number of others thought so!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring" From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:14:06 -0700   Right on, DB!   In the right hands, a good theater organ is an absolute joy, just as a = good AE-S, Kilgen, Casavant or--ahem--Fisk can be a horror when played by a no-talent.   In my estimation (and I've heard a lot of T.O. players) Cole was right at the top of the heap. Only two were, to my ears, better -- and one of 'em = is the guy who showed Cole the way to get those great sounds and was a major influence on his organ-playing style in other areas (e.g. harmonies) as well.   Good ears, Bob!   Even if you are cranky....   Ray.      
(back) Subject: Fw: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring" From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:00:49 -0500   Pardon my dumbness, but who was Buddy Coles mentor? I have his 'Buddy Cole Remembered' LP. Unusual, but enjoyable.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Thursby <raythursby@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring"     > Right on, DB! > > In the right hands, a good theater organ is an absolute joy, just as a good > AE-S, Kilgen, Casavant or--ahem--Fisk can be a horror when played by a > no-talent. > > In my estimation (and I've heard a lot of T.O. players) Cole was right = at > the top of the heap. Only two were, to my ears, better -- and one of 'em is > the guy who showed Cole the way to get those great sounds and was a = major > influence on his organ-playing style in other areas (e.g. harmonies) as > well. > > Good ears, Bob! > > Even if you are cranky.... > > Ray. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Buddy Cole, formerly "retiring" From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:08:03 -0700   The guy who first laid down much of what Cole was doing on his albums (and remember, this is my opinion, but the ears are pretty good) is Gordon Kibbee, a brilliant musician, teacher and organ technician. Though = Gordon's commercial recordings were hampered by lousy instruments (for those who = like the Whitney Morton, my insincere apologies) and poor recording technique = (at the 5-21 Wurlitzer also recorded by GW).   Gordon kept the United Artists (later Cole studio) Wurlitzer going in the theater for years, and I have it on good authority that his combinations remained unchanged at the Cole studio. Which I have many good reasons for believing.   I've been fortunate enough to hear Gordon play in person and rate him the absolute best T.O. player. Ever.   Just to arouse the ire of those who can't put a performer in the context = of his time, I consider Jess Crawford a solid #2, with Cole hitting the = charts at #3....   Ray    
(back) Subject: Re: Jardine 1m for sale From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:17:02 EDT   In a message dated 7/26/00 11:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, llovallo@juno.com writes:   << Manual, 54 notes, C-f3: Stopped Diapason Bass, Stopped Diapason = Treble (rohrflute), Open Diapason (TG), Principal, Fifteenth, [4'] Flute (TG), Dulciana (TG), Clariana (TG). There is no pedalboard. Unbalanced swell, does not hitch down. The double rise bellows can be handpumped or supplied via an electric blower in the case. Cabinet is stained pine with ten non-speaking, gilt wooden pipes in the facade. The organ is offered for sale at $15,000. >>   OH PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.... Some nice rich person, please buy this wonderful little organ and send it = to me! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502