PipeChat Digest #1540 - Sunday, July 30, 2000
 
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Robert Clooney" <basset3@warwick.net>
OHS Convention Hotel News
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Die Pfeifenorgel
  by "Don Becker" <soniccr@frontier.net>
Moravian church in Nazareth, PA
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Moravian church in Nazareth, PA
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: retiring
  by "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net>
Re: retiring
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: retiring
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
@#$%&#?! churches
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: @#$%&#?! churches
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Hidden vs Exposed
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Robert Clooney" <basset3@warwick.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:58:29 -0400   Thanks for all the comments on my original post. To clarify:   On Sun. morning I attend the 8 AM Holy Eucharist the Episcopal Church to worship. At the door I say to the rector, "Well I'm off to work." I run to MacDonald's and am back to start at ST. Paul's by 9:10 AM. First, is informal worship & SS for which I play. As soon as classes begin, I go to the Rodgers to go over the service music; at 10:10 the choir is ready to warm up; at 10:30 the youth choir rehearses; at 10:45 the pastor starts the service by taking shouted-out favorites, and we keep on going until finally the sermon time arrives.   Aah, a short breather. I swing around the bench and sit in an old metal chair with my elbows on the organ bench. I open up the next hymns, reach up & set a few stops, check that the postlude is in its spot, maybe jot down a note or two (bring glue for the pop-out stop; ask pastor when SS starts up again, etc.). I may flip forward in The Parish Organist and see what looks interesting. By that time, " . . . and let us join together in the prayer our Lord taught us . . . " I arise, sit and swivel around on the bench ready play the final segments.   I listen; I hear every word she says; I follows the lessons; I read the Psalm aloud (for the 3rd time that Sun) I am not reading a newspaper or book; I do the same thing sitting in a chair as I would seated on the bench--stops, music, jot down a note.   My personal worship is at my church on Sun morning. I am employed to play services for the Methodists who are wonderful to me; however, I can not serve on all the committees, attend all the breakfasts, etc. they want me to because I participate in my own church's functions.   Besides, the rector says she would never hire a member--if ever problems arise, she doesn't want someone losing their faith over it. Church employees worship elsewhere. Maybe this is another thread.   ... Robert Clooney  
(back) Subject: OHS Convention Hotel News From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:37:12 EDT   Dear List,   Being a bit slow about reserving a room at the Park Plaza for the OHS Convention in Boston, I learned when I booked this morning that the hotel = is totally sold out for the first night, August 16th - not just at the convention rate, but at any rate. They recommended the Westin down the = road at $350 for the night, but I know I can do better on my own. There are = still rooms for the rest of the convention nights at the convention rate, so I recommend immediate action to anyone planning on attending this great gathering!   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Die Pfeifenorgel From: "Don Becker" <soniccr@frontier.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:55:23 -0600   Hi List, I bought the CD "Die Pfeifenorgel" from Andreas Sims a few weeks ago and still haven't found the pipe samples on the CD. I can't read German but have opened everything on the CD that looked like it could be opened. Can anyone help. I have Soundblaster Live. Thanks, Don Becker at soniccr@frontier.net P.S. I was able to successfully get the French "Le Jeux" organ samples downloaded and playing using the Vienna software.    
(back) Subject: Moravian church in Nazareth, PA From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:01:32 -0500     To John Speller and others:   John, I just read your review in the latest "Tracker" - very good. I = recall seeing the Moravian church when I visited a friend in Nazareth back in = 1996 after the AGO convention in New York. Pretty from the outside, but locked up tight as a drum - I was interested not only in the organ but the architecture and interior design of the church (I've never been in a Moravian church). Is the organ a Tannenberg, and do you know any details?   Regards,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:14:43 EDT   In a message dated 7/29/00 7:04:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, basset3@warwick.net writes:   << Besides, the rector says she would never hire a member--if ever = problems arise, she doesn't want someone losing their faith over it. Church employees worship elsewhere. Maybe this is another thread. >>   Alas! That doesn't say much for either her pastoral or adminstrative = style. If the church is led properly by the rector, these problems very often do =   not happen. The rector should not become involved in hiring and firing. = There are committees to do that. This leaves the rector to be "shepherd = to the flock." Seems to me she's taking the coward's way out.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Moravian church in Nazareth, PA From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:33:21 -0500   Glenda wrote: >=20 > To John Speller and others: >=20 > John, I just read your review in the latest "Tracker" - very good. I r= ecall > seeing the Moravian church when I visited a friend in Nazareth back in = 1996 > after the AGO convention in New York. Pretty from the outside, but loc= ked > up tight as a drum - I was interested not only in the organ but the > architecture and interior design of the church (I've never been in a > Moravian church). Is the organ a Tannenberg, and do you know any detai= ls?   The Tannenberg organ in the Nazareth Moravian Church was built in 1793 and originally had the following specification:   Manual=20   8' Gro=DF Gedackt 8' Floet Amabile 8' Viol del Gamba 8' Quintatoen 4' Principal 4' Floet Douce 2' Suboctav   Pedal   16' Sub Bass 8' Octav Bass Pedal Koppel   The 2' Superoctav is frequently found misnamed Suboctav in Tannenberg organs. Also in the original document the pedal stops are given as being 32' and 16' pitch, but this is almost certainly a mistake, albeit a somewhat curious one.   The organ was rebuilt as a three manual of around forty stops by M. P. Moller around World War I with bar-and-membrane tubular chests. It was again rebuilt around ten years ago by John Gumpy (Lehigh Organ Co.) of Macungie, Pa., with electric chests and around fifty stops. Pipes from the Gro=DF Gedackt (stopped wood), Flauto Amabile (open wood), Sub Bass (stopped wood) and Octav Bass (open wood) remain in the present organ, but in a very altered state and on a much higher pressure. The original Tannenberg three tower case facade also remains as the central part of the present case, which has had an additional tower and flat added at each end.=20   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:37:22 -0400   Welllll.....one way is to have a third heart attack plus quadruple bypass surgery. That gave me a good chance to dump my worst, most stressful client...hehe, but I really wouldn't want to recommend it to anyone! Phil Stimml -----Original Message----- From: Norman Chapman <normanchapman@hotmail.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: normanchapman@hotmail.com <normanchapman@hotmail.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: retiring     >Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt and with >aminimum of fuss--or how you get into a SEMI-retired state.--Or for that >matter how you,even in MID-career, free yourself from the constant = feeling >that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY--or >whatever your days are. I guess I'm talking about someone who is = PART-TIME. >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: retiring From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:37:41 EDT   In a message dated 7/29/00 4:42:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pca@sover.net =   writes:   << Welllll.....one way is to have a third heart attack...   This works best if done during a hymn or anthem!!!   Phil, we hope you've recovered from your heart attack and surgery, and are =   now leisurely enjoying life, hurling epithets from a comfy chair (that's = the suthrun way!!). ;-)     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: RE: retiring From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:00:15 -0500   Phil:   Did George W. Bush know about this? He could have picked you as vice president and organist....   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Phil Stimmel [mailto:pca@sover.net] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 3:37 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: retiring     Welllll.....one way is to have a third heart attack plus quadruple bypass surgery. That gave me a good chance to dump my worst, most stressful client...hehe, but I really wouldn't want to recommend it to anyone! Phil Stimml -----Original Message----- From: Norman Chapman <normanchapman@hotmail.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: normanchapman@hotmail.com <normanchapman@hotmail.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: retiring     >Does anyone have any thoughts about how you retire without guilt and with >aminimum of fuss--or how you get into a SEMI-retired state.--Or for that >matter how you,even in MID-career, free yourself from the constant = feeling >that YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY--or >whatever your days are. I guess I'm talking about someone who is = PART-TIME. >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:34:32 EDT   In a message dated 7/29/00 2:15:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << In a message dated 7/29/00 7:04:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, basset3@warwick.net writes: << Besides, the rector says she would never hire a member--if ever = problems arise, she doesn't want someone losing their faith over it. Church employees worship elsewhere. Maybe this is another thread. >> Alas! That doesn't say much for either her pastoral or adminstrative = style. If the church is led properly by the rector, these problems very often = do not happen. The rector should not become involved in hiring and firing. = There are committees to do that. This leaves the rector to be "shepherd = to the flock." Seems to me she's taking the coward's way out. >>   When my contract wasn't renewed this past June, the pastor, the music director, and the chair of the staff-parish relations committee gave me = the news. It seems that, after 2 1/2 years of playing the organ and piano = EVERY Sunday, I was suddenly incompetent.   The timing was especially bad. I was recently diagnosed with breast = cancer, my marriage had completely shattered, and my pastor was telling me that I = was not competent.   I felt that I was being dropped by the church, of which I was a member. I =   haven't been back to church since, and I haven't had one phone call from a =   church member.   I agree - the pastor should never be on the hiring/firing committee. It truly does shake one's beliefs to be dropped like a hot potato at this = point in my life.   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:55:59   At 07:34 PM 7/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I felt that I was being dropped by the church, of which I was a member. = I >haven't been back to church since, and I haven't had one phone call from = a >church member.<snip>   Somehow, I gather there's a feeling that these "churches" are somehow compassionate, caring institutions. Usually, nothing is farther from the truth, with some noticeable exceptions to this rule. They're just another employer, out to get what they can and employ "at will", just like any other management "team" who is not bound by a labor contract. The very fact that held a personal contract with them puts you way above the others in terms of working conditions.   I think you found, through your ordeals, who your friends really are, to wit, others in the same profession, and the same "boat". Not to be considered a passenger on said boat is the one who was eagerly waiting to assume your position!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: @#$%&#?! churches From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:23:25 -0700   Back when I had money, I gave the church where I was organist (MCC/SD) a = nice new Rodgers organ; several years later, they FIRED me to SAVE money. Go = figure ....   Bud, who doesn't expect ANYTHING from churches ... that way I'm not disappointed.    
(back) Subject: Re: @#$%&#?! churches From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:56:40 -0500   Thru experience, churches can be one of the COLDEST places. Where one = hopes for and would expect friendship, it surprises me to no end the hippocrites there are.   I'm not rich, nor Republican (I hate politics), so I don't fit in their Sunday Morning Country Club atmosphere.   I tithe to worthwhile charities- which are few and far between. I can well read my Bible at home and get MORE out of it.   Will I play another wedding or sub on Sunday mornings? Show me da money.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Hidden vs Exposed From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:39:45 +0800   This is NOT the experience I have had in any church with which I have been associated. All I have had is love, caring and friendship, so much so that = when I have been travelling the first thing I do is to look for the nearest = church; I know I will be with friends even though I have never met them before. It seems to me, Bob, that you should emigrate!!! Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 07:34 PM 7/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >I felt that I was being dropped by the church, of which I was a member. = I > >haven't been back to church since, and I haven't had one phone call = from a > >church member.<snip> > > Somehow, I gather there's a feeling that these "churches" are somehow > compassionate, caring institutions. Usually, nothing is farther from = the > truth, with some noticeable exceptions to this rule. They're just = another > employer, out to get what they can and employ "at will", just like any > other management "team" who is not bound by a labor contract. The very > fact that held a personal contract with them puts you way above the = others > in terms of working conditions. > > I think you found, through your ordeals, who your friends really are, to > wit, others in the same profession, and the same "boat". Not to be > considered a passenger on said boat is the one who was eagerly waiting = to > assume your position! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/