PipeChat Digest #1430 - Thursday, June 1, 2000
 
X-post: Fargo & Grand Forks Organs?
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Other Crumhorn notes
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
x-post: Petertide Music Festival - E Blatchington, near  Seaford, E Susse
  by "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Fargo & Grand Forks Organs?
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: I'm home
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Fwd: Grand Opening of Performing Artists' Health Center
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Have I been misinformed??
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Cremona
  by <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com>
Re: Cremona
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: tracker theatre organs and other wild stuff
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Perfect Pitch
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Perfect Pitch
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Perfect Pitch
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: bio
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Perfect Pitch
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Cremona
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Perfect Pitch:  Transposing can be learned
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Perfect Pitch, Tonal pitch
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Re: Perfect Pitch:  Transposing can be learned
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: X-post: Fargo & Grand Forks Organs? From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:39:58 -0400   Hi, List, I'm fishing for info. I'm being dragged to a family reunion in Grand Forks, North Dakota in a few weeks. Anyone know of any organs of interest in the area? I'll be there over a Sunday, so a recommendation of = a church with good music is helpful, too.   Thanks,   Paul Opel   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Other Crumhorn notes From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:01:52 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Other Crumhorn notes   > the tenor note given the alto etc. and could pitch the first note for = the next > anthem in a different key. I can do that and also can my son who is a > professional tuner. It does not mean that he or she can pitch a perfect A=3D440 > without any reference note, although I have known one or two people who can do > that..   Just about anyone who's taken ear training here at SU can pitch an A=3D440 with no problem. And without a tuning fork (haha, I saw that coming!). In the women's choir that I was in for a while (yeah, the one with that = horrid chick who ***ched me out in front of the whole choir) it was a = requirement. First thing after breathing exercises, "sing an A on lu".   This went throughout the winter and spring semesters, so you can imagine that the Holtkamp was having a temper tantrum....not that we were in tune the entire time either!!    
(back) Subject: x-post: Petertide Music Festival - E Blatchington, near Seaford, E Sussex, England From: "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:30:01 +0100   I have just received the following information from St Peter's Church, Belgrave Road, East Blatchington, regarding their annual Petertide Music Festival:   FRIDAYS AT 7.30 pm   JUNE 16th Organ - Roger Sayer, Master of the Music, Rochester Cathedral (Music by Bach, Gigout, Vierne, and others - a deliberately popularist programme to begin the Festival)   JUNE 30th Petertide Choral Concert by the Elizabethan Consort with Practicall Musicke, directed by Robert Munns (Music by Durufle, Victoria, Purcell, Rachmaninov, Bruckner, Parry and Stanford)   JULY 7th Organ - Gerald Wheeler, Organist Emeritus, Christchurch Cathedral, = Montreal (Music by Bach, Gigout, Vierne and composers from the New World)   JULY 14th Jane Phillips, guitar, and Catherine Sign, flute. (Music by Ibert, Mozart, Bartok, Poulenc and others)   JULY 21st Special Recital commemorating the 250th anniversary of the death of J S Bach. Organ - Robert Munns, an internationally recognised authority on Bach performance. Music to include movements from "Art of Fugue", the Great B minor Prelude and Fugue, and Choral Preludes from the "Great Eighteen".   Tickets: GBP 4 and GBP 3 (concessions) available at the door, or in advance from Stephen Newberry and Partners, 53 Church Street, Seaford. Refreshments will be available during the interval.   The organ is a two-manual Copeman Hart (installed in June 1998) with 23 speaking stops:   GREAT Open Diapason 8 Chimney Flute 8 Principal 4 Harmonic Flute 4 Fifteenth 2 Mixture III Trumpet 8 Clarinet 8   SWELL Geigen Diapason 8 Rohr Flute 8 Viola da Gamba 8 Voix Celestes 8 Gemshorn 4 Wald Flute 4 Fifteenth 2 Mixture III Contra Fagotto 16 Trumpet 8   PEDAL Open Diapason 16 Sub Bass 16 Bass Flute 8 Choral Bass 4 Fagotto 16   I am told that when the weather is good, there is loud competition from = the local nightingales - seriously. Sounds too good to miss!   Kind regards,   Cheryl     Copeman Hart & Company Ltd England http://www.copemanhart.co.uk    
(back) Subject: Re: Fargo & Grand Forks Organs? From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:31:20 -0400   Paul:   Don't miss whatever they've got in the balcony now (at the recommendation = of Paul Kaatrud, former pastor/organist) at United Lutheran Church, an archttecturally intersting Art deco piece in a strange location (cf. Gruntvig Church, Copenhagen). Find a knowledgeable source for the history of it all, for it is quite a story. A knowledgeable commentator would be Roger Petrich of Carbondale, Ill. If you need help to find him, let me know; he may be lurking here or in organchat.   Alan Freed   > From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:39:58 -0400 > To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu, pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: X-post: Fargo & Grand Forks Organs? > > Hi, List, I'm fishing for info. I'm being dragged to a family reunion in > Grand Forks, North Dakota in a few weeks. Anyone know of any organs of > interest in the area? I'll be there over a Sunday, so a recommendation = of a > church with good music is helpful, too. > > Thanks, > > Paul Opel > > http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: I'm home From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:49:40 -0400     --------------62A83E9A3FC1D9FDC36CC3F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Myosotis51@aol.com wrote:   >   <Snip>   Dear Vicki,   How's it going? We haven't heard from you in a little while. I hope = things are looking up.   Dave C. London, Ont.       --------------62A83E9A3FC1D9FDC36CC3F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> &nbsp; <P>Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE><A = HREF=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></A>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> &lt;Snip> <P>Dear Vicki, <P>How's it going?&nbsp; We haven't heard from you in a little = while.&nbsp; I hope things are looking up. <P>Dave C. <BR>London, Ont. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>   --------------62A83E9A3FC1D9FDC36CC3F8--    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Grand Opening of Performing Artists' Health Center From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:54:15 -0500   I was just sent the following URL for a Health Clinic in the Dallas/Fort Worth area for musicians and am forwarding it since there might be some folks that would be interested in it. I have no other information beyond what is on their web page. This was sent to me by the Secretary of the Pensacola musician's union local of the AFM.   David   > Read the announcement here. > http://www.musiciansclinic.com/    
(back) Subject: Re: Have I been misinformed?? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:51:58 +0800   Point taken. Thank you. BE   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 09:13 AM 5/31/2000 +0800, you wrote: > >> >>Perfect pitch as far as I am concerned is the ability to pitch a = note > >> given a reference note.<snip> > > Scientists call this "relative pitch". "Perfect pitch" refers to the > ability of the brain to memorize a given frequency standard and compare > incoming signals to that to check pitch accuracy. Being able to simply > discern proper interval relationships, and their tuning, is relative = pitch. > Somehow, these two terms have been used interchangably, which is = incorrect. > > Sources: Johnson, "Human Engineering", 1936, various Bell Labs papers = on > acoustics and musical phenomena. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Cremona From: <George.Greene@RossNutrition.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:32:50 -0400     I thought "Cremona" was part of the e-mail moniker of our beloved tracker-backer/beagle afficionado/maestro of "Bawld-One Schpinettes"!    
(back) Subject: Re: Cremona From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:47:01 EDT   In a message dated 5/31/00 1:36:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Greene@RossNutrition.com writes:   > thought "Cremona" was part of the e-mail moniker of our beloved > tracker-backer/beagle afficionado/maestro of "Bawld-One Schpinettes"! It is... and is so because they are soooooo pretty and are similar to the =   contented sound a beagle makes when preparing to jump the fence to slumber =   land.   Now with regard to the Bawld-One Schpinettes........ !   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: tracker theatre organs and other wild stuff From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:59:59 PDT   >and curiously enough one of >these was the construction of a unit tracker organ. So there is >nothing =   >particularly novel about the idea.   How can I learn about their design?   DG     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:33:22 EDT   In a message dated 00-05-31 00:35:53 EDT, Bruce writes:   >Perfect Pitch or Absolute Pitch allows the tormented individual to >identify any pitch heard or produce vocally any pitch asked for >independent of anything heard.   What catergory would I be in? I can tell what note is being played within = a 2 octave range of middle C on a well tuned piano (or organ) first thing = in the morning or any other time, but I cannot give a pitch. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:50:22 -0400   Very interesting. I know several people who have "Perfect pitch". That means they can pick a tone out of thin air and be right on. They make = real good leaders for choral groups! And they all consider it a burden also. Take a piece up or down a = half step, or play it in a different key than they're looking at in the hymn = book and it drives them nuts!   Unfortunately for me, they also know when I make a miscue.   Smiles, Diane S.      
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:45:50 EDT   In a message dated 00-05-31 16:53:30 EDT, Straight writes:   >Take a piece up or down a half >step, or play it in a different key than they're looking at in the hymn = book >and it drives them nuts!   Oh, a half step's not bad! The real problem is early music groups and old =   organs and harpsichords tuned to about 1/4 step from A=3D440. Jerry  
(back) Subject: Re: bio From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:41:53 EDT   I just received this bio from Tyler Robertson and wanted to pass it along = to the lists(s). This is in reference to his recital which was reviewed by = me around 20 May.   << Tyler Robertson is a member of the American Guild of Organists and = holds the AGO Service Playing Certification. He is the first student to take = part in the University of Florida's Organ Preparatory Program with the School = of Music. He performs at Buchholz High School as Principal French Horn with both the Symphonic and Concert bands, as well as pianist in the premier jazz ensemble. Mr. Robertson is currently serving as the Organist at Southwest United = Methodist Church. As a senior in high school, he plans to continue his organ study through a performance degree at Baylor University in Waco, Texas. He will =   study with Dr. Joyce Jones, FAGO, through a generous scholarship on behalf = of the school of music. festival_trumpet8@yahoo.com     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:01:25 -0400   <<<<<What category would I be in? I can tell what note is being played within a 2 octave range of middle C on a well tuned piano (or organ) first thing = in the morning or any other time, but I cannot give a pitch. Jerry in Seattle>>>>>>   "Wide receiver?"   Smiles, Diane (for Berndt ---that's a joke, it's a football player position/title, or an old radio)          
(back) Subject: Re: Cremona From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:28:17   At 01:32 PM 5/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I thought "Cremona" was part of the e-mail moniker of our beloved >tracker-backer/beagle afficionado/maestro of "Bawld-One = Schpinettes"!<snip>   Hmmmm...I dunno. I've used "Cremona" in coffee when I'm outta milk....   dB  
(back) Subject: Perfect Pitch: Transposing can be learned From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:55:24 PDT   > And they all consider it (transposition) a burden also. Take a piece =   >up or down a half step, or play it in a different key than they're = looking >at in the hymn book and it drives them nuts!   >Smiles, >Diane S.   Hi list   People with perfect pitch can learn to transpose and not find it painful. = I did! I have other friends who have. First I learned to play the French Horn in F some years after learning the piano. it was hard at first, then =   my body adapted. Then I learned that orchestral horn playing meant transposing frequently within a single compositions (see horn parts in the =   works of Bruchner, Wagner, and Mahler). (I have met people with "perfect = Bb pitch" and "perfect F pitch".)   As an orchestra conducting student, I learned (was required) to play orchestral scores on the piano (or organ). Indiana University. That = meant transposing the piccolo part up an octave, transposing the English horn = part down a fifth, transposing the Bb clarinet parts down a step, the A = clarniet parts down a minor third, transposing the Bb Bass Clarinets down a major ninth, transposing the horn parts to whatever their transposition was, transposing the Bb trumpet parts down a major second and the trumpet parts =   in other keys for whatever key they were written in, transposing the = string bass part down an octave, etc, while playing all the other parts at = concert pitch. Plus it meant learning the alto clef for the viola part and sometimes the tenor clef for cello, bassoon, or string bass parts. The trombone parts may be in alto, tenor, or bass cleff. People with "perfect =   pitch" can learn to do it.   What is really fun is to turn the transposing machine to some pitch other than C on those electronic organs which have them, and retranspose the = parts back to the original, or to another key.   Before breakfast everymorning, a person with "perfect pitch" should play "Hallelujah" from Mesiah, transposing the left hand to Db major and the right hand to Eb major, or some other equally interesting pair of keys!   My wife, also with "perfect pitch" still has trouble. Her piano teacher = had her (and me) transpose the Czerney 16 measures exercises into every key. = So she certainly can do it, although she doesn't enjoy it. I consider it a game.   When I'm improvising, if someone gives me two themes to improvise a Sonata =   Allegro, on the recap one has to put the second theme in the tonic. That = is transposing. I maintain that anyone can learn to do it, if the stakes are =   high enough. Many of the improvisors I know have "perfect pitch".   By the way, I don't believe in "perfect pitch". I make mistakes!   Another, to me, interesting "perfect pitch" issue, is that the piano that = I was raised on was out of tune and a bit more than a half step flat. That was the pitch I learned. When I got to junior high school and joined the choir, I brought the choir down one half step when we sang a capella, and there we stayed. The choir teacher finally figured me out and I began to try to learn "concert pitch", which currently seems to be somewhere around =   A-440, although many of the orchestras I have played in (viola, French = horn, organ, harpsichord, celesta) tune very high at times, the strings always tuning higher than the winds.   There, I just thought I'd muddy the waters.   :o)   Roy Wilson St. John's Methodist Church Lubbock, Texas     >Smiles, >Diane S.   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Perfect Pitch, Tonal pitch From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:01:33 PDT   Jerry:   I have heard your kind of pitch recognition called "tonal" pitch. You = may be able to recognize the pitch within that middle register because of the way contemporary keyboard instruments are tuned. I'm not an expert on tuning, but many tuners begin with the middle A (440) and tune fifths and fourths from there. As you get out of the middle range, the octaves are = not perfectly in tune with those middle register notes making it more = difficult to recognize the pitch as the notes get farther (up or down) from the = middle register notes.   :o)   Roy Wilson St. John's United Methodist Church Lubbock, TX       >From: JKVDP@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:33:22 EDT > >In a message dated 00-05-31 00:35:53 EDT, Bruce writes: > > >Perfect Pitch or Absolute Pitch allows the tormented individual to > >identify any pitch heard or produce vocally any pitch asked for > >independent of anything heard. > >What catergory would I be in? I can tell what note is being played = within >a >2 octave range of middle C on a well tuned piano (or organ) first thing = in >the morning or any other time, but I cannot give a pitch. >Jerry in Seattle   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch: Transposing can be learned From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:07:29 +0800   Roy, for one minute you had me in. Bob E.   BTW Why wont't Pipechat send one to one messages? Everything goes public.   Roy Wilson wrote:   > > And they all consider it (transposition) a burden also. Take a = piece > >up or down a half step, or play it in a different key than they're = looking > >at in the hymn book and it drives them nuts! > > >Smiles, > >Diane S. > > Hi list > > People with perfect pitch can learn to transpose and not find it = painful. I > did! I have other friends who have. First I learned to play the French > Horn in F some years after learning the piano. it was hard at first, = then > my body adapted. Then I learned that orchestral horn playing meant > transposing frequently within a single compositions (see horn parts in = the > works of Bruchner, Wagner, and Mahler). (I have met people with = "perfect Bb > pitch" and "perfect F pitch".) > > As an orchestra conducting student, I learned (was required) to play > orchestral scores on the piano (or organ). Indiana University. That = meant > transposing the piccolo part up an octave, transposing the English horn = part > down a fifth, transposing the Bb clarinet parts down a step, the A = clarniet > parts down a minor third, transposing the Bb Bass Clarinets down a major > ninth, transposing the horn parts to whatever their transposition was, > transposing the Bb trumpet parts down a major second and the trumpet = parts > in other keys for whatever key they were written in, transposing the = string > bass part down an octave, etc, while playing all the other parts at = concert > pitch. Plus it meant learning the alto clef for the viola part and > sometimes the tenor clef for cello, bassoon, or string bass parts. The > trombone parts may be in alto, tenor, or bass cleff. People with = "perfect > pitch" can learn to do it. > > What is really fun is to turn the transposing machine to some pitch = other > than C on those electronic organs which have them, and retranspose the = parts > back to the original, or to another key. > > Before breakfast everymorning, a person with "perfect pitch" should play > "Hallelujah" from Mesiah, transposing the left hand to Db major and the > right hand to Eb major, or some other equally interesting pair of keys! > > My wife, also with "perfect pitch" still has trouble. Her piano teacher = had > her (and me) transpose the Czerney 16 measures exercises into every key. = So > she certainly can do it, although she doesn't enjoy it. I consider it a > game. > > When I'm improvising, if someone gives me two themes to improvise a = Sonata > Allegro, on the recap one has to put the second theme in the tonic. = That is > transposing. I maintain that anyone can learn to do it, if the stakes = are > high enough. Many of the improvisors I know have "perfect pitch". > > By the way, I don't believe in "perfect pitch". I make mistakes! > > Another, to me, interesting "perfect pitch" issue, is that the piano = that I > was raised on was out of tune and a bit more than a half step flat. = That > was the pitch I learned. When I got to junior high school and joined = the > choir, I brought the choir down one half step when we sang a capella, = and > there we stayed. The choir teacher finally figured me out and I began = to > try to learn "concert pitch", which currently seems to be somewhere = around > A-440, although many of the orchestras I have played in (viola, French = horn, > organ, harpsichord, celesta) tune very high at times, the strings always > tuning higher than the winds. > > There, I just thought I'd muddy the waters. > > :o) > > Roy Wilson > St. John's Methodist Church > Lubbock, Texas > > >Smiles, > >Diane S. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/