PipeChat Digest #1435 - Sunday, June 4, 2000
 
Re: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks.
  by "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net>
Re: Big News
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Congratulations
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Congratulations
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organs in fish markets.
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Fw: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Reed/flue tuning
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Death to Equal Temperament Society
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks. From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:25:53 +0100       T > While I would expect the plumber to fix a specific problem that I hired = him > for, I would prefer that a teacher to show me _how_ to learn and how to = find > the tools necessary to gather the answers myself rather than pompously > claiming to be the soul possessor of _the_ ultimate answer. After all, = in the > real world we've got to know how to ferret out the answer on our own = most of > the time and often there is no one _ultimate_ answer. > > I well remember one of my teachers at school saying that "an educated = person does not claim to know all the answers but does know where to look = for the information he does not have".I think that puts this topic into = perspective.   Cheers,   Colin.  
(back) Subject: Re: Big News From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:33:23 EDT   Congratulations Dave. I hope this means that you will be making enough to regularly donate new pipe organs to churches, or given your propensities, malls, schools, theaters, pizza parlors, fish markets, feed and grain = stores, etc...   Good luck:   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:46:14 EDT   In a message dated 06/03/2000 4:02:10 AM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   << I am happy to announce that I passed my Master's comprehensive > exam and will soon be conferred my MS in Computer Science (emphasis in > Theory and Information Visualization). >>   Congratulations Dave !!!!!! Van  
(back) Subject: Re: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 09:03:04   At 06:40 PM 6/2/2000 CDT, Ahrens wrote: >And I'm going to pay $300 credit/hour for someone to say he/she doesn't >know? NOT!<snip>   The truly educated person doesn't learn "everything" in school. Rather, = he learns how to accumulate information with which he can seek the truth. Going to school to learn "everything" is an improper scholastic attitude, but one that is becoming more and more prevalent, as vaunted schools increasingly turn into gilded "parchment factories". Pepperdine, USC, = many of the Ivy Leaguers...all degree mills now. Plunk down daddy's republican bucks, get the sheepskin. I consider degrees from many of these institutions to be nothing more than fancy "fanny wipers" nowadays.   >You guys are nuts!   When one considers this statement, combines it with the well-known tenet framed above, the argument is put in perfect perspective.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:23:41 EDT   > I am happy to announce that I passed my Master's comprehensive > exam and will soon be conferred my MS in Computer Science (emphasis in > Theory and Information Visualization). >> Congratulations! Don't forget us little people!!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in fish markets. From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:24:29 PDT     >or given your propensities, malls, schools, theaters, pizza parlors,   Well, the first prototype instrument will probably go on something of a tour of various places like that to gauge public reaction, etc. If that goes well, I may set up a small company to manufacture them. Or more likely team up with an existing organ builder (any takers?)   I've been thinking of what woods to make the various ranks out of for maximum visual interest and impact. One thing is for sure: large scale flutes =3D ash, quintadena =3D oak.   >fish markets, feed and grain stores,   Oh! I hadn't thought of those places! Thanks for the suggestions.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Fw: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:18:09 -0500   Book-learnin' is great and necessary, but nothing like jumping in and getting ones' hands dirty!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:03 AM Subject: Re: "Out of tune" harmonics, "junk science" and academic hacks.     > At 06:40 PM 6/2/2000 CDT, Ahrens wrote: > >And I'm going to pay $300 credit/hour for someone to say he/she doesn't > >know? NOT!<snip> > > The truly educated person doesn't learn "everything" in school. Rather, he > learns how to accumulate information with which he can seek the truth. > Going to school to learn "everything" is an improper scholastic = attitude, > but one that is becoming more and more prevalent, as vaunted schools > increasingly turn into gilded "parchment factories". Pepperdine, USC, many > of the Ivy Leaguers...all degree mills now. Plunk down daddy's = republican > bucks, get the sheepskin. I consider degrees from many of these > institutions to be nothing more than fancy "fanny wipers" nowadays. > > >You guys are nuts! > > When one considers this statement, combines it with the well-known tenet > framed above, the argument is put in perfect perspective. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Reed/flue tuning From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:28:54 EDT   True enough, however, since there are many more flue ranks than reeds in a =   classical organ, and since flue pipes go out of tune more uniformly than = the reeds, it only seems that the reeds go out in comparison.   Most tuners touch up the flues, and move the reeds to match the flue = tuning, unless the organist demands A=3D440 uniformly year round.   Incidently, I know of three organs (2 theatre and one church) where the temperature is kept at the same temperature year round, (Yes, I know = that's rare!) and literally no tuning is needed for either the reeds or the = flues. Only minor attention when some bird or insect decides to lodge itself in = the pipe's innerards.   Stan Krider   Rebekah commented about reed tuning: <snip> I've been tuning my organ going on four years, and it's always been my = reeds that have gone first. And I'm sure of that. I'm talking, like, minor = second, major second out of tune. And I have perfect pitch, it drives me -nuts-! Granted that my flues -do- change seasonally, but my reeds are usually much, -much- worse. I canot stress how much worse they are! (Believe me, WORSE!!! :)) I can't just "fudge" the reeds, they have to be re-tuned.   HOWEVER, I also live in upstate New York. Our average summer high was somewhere around 90. Our average winter low this winter was around 15. And it's a Delaware. (That fact alone should explain things.) And, to credit reeds, these aren't the best made honkers, either.      
(back) Subject: Re: Death to Equal Temperament Society From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:19:39 PDT     >Worshiping at the alter of Equal temperament comes with a very high = >cost.   Bruce,   Indeed it does.   You can sign me up for a membership in your society.   I was playing with Pierre Lewis' excellent Java tuner tool which lets you hear and experiment with various tunings. I recommend everyone check it out... I learned a LOT about temperaments here. It's a very rich interactive web site.   www.quebectel.com/gt/usagers/roule/accord.htm   So here is the ideal unequal temperament I'll tune my small organs to:   0 0 -2 -3 -4 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 0 G D   Wow!   There is really a dramatic and wonderful difference between a temperament like this with different keys having noticeably different qualities, as compared and dull and bland standard equal temperament. Even a musical neophyte like me can tell!   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com