PipeChat Digest #1446 - Saturday, June 10, 2000
 
Allen at Bellevue Baptist
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles-Dobson/Rosalesorgan
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: The Allen at Bellevue Baptist, Memphis
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Allen at Bellevue Baptist
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles -Dobson/Rosalesorgan
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
Skinner strings
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles-Dobson/Rosalesorgan
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by "willh" <willh@cfl.rr.com>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship
  by "George W. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net>
Re: The Allen at Bellevue Baptist, Memphis
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Britson Kits
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
re:  Late Notice:  Organ & Strings
  by "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com>
RE: Humongus Allen organs: Why?
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
The Bellevue Baptist Allen and a Kimball
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Allen at Bellevue Baptist
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Little Portion, Long Island
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Allen at Bellevue Baptist From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:19:48 EDT   Now please remember, I am not being nasty.... it is a wonderful work of art.... unbelievable!!!!!!! And the work that must have went in on the planning and instalation... a monumental feat.....but.... This new organ at Bellevue Baptist has my chin on the floor... isn't it a = bit much? Does 1 room REALLY need 250 speakers in 7 chambers and 320 stops? I am not being nasty about the organ... I'm sure they can afford it... but do they really NEED all that? I understand it is a HUGE church with a wonderful, diverse music program ......but 10, 10 count em... 32' stops, a 21 1/3' mutation and a 64' reed?...Good Lord... are they gonna try to blow off the roof? <G> I'll = quit being cute now..... I guess what I am truely thinking about, is a sermon our misister gave a =   few months ago about "choices".... Example: All these cable systems with 200 or so channels...there are so many channels, you can't make up your mind ,( you can't even read the = channel guide either) so you do 1 of 2 things: just turn off the set in = frustration or go back to NBC, ABC or CBS. Somehow, I think you would almost be tempted to do the same = with this large of an organ. ( I can't believe I am saying this...I never = thought there could be too big an organ...<G>) I guess I am just overwhelmed with the size ......it's mind boggling....<G> I know it would be fun to play.... but , on each of your = own organs, you know the perfect registration for a piece when you find it.... =   I'm sure there would be too many good settings for any piece you did....I couldn't choose...guess you could play the same piece for several Sundays with different registration and nobody might notice... ( I think I could = do THAT with the same registration and my congregation STILL wouldn't notice either...<G>) I know it is BEAUTIFUL... I know it would be wonderful to = hear....and play... every organist's dream to have a stoplist like that. ( I didn't = say electronic or pipe.... I said stop list...you can choose...<G>) BUT it is = a MONSTER !!!!!!!!!   Van Vanpool ( I am playing an 80 rank AE-Skinner at First Pres. in Wichita Falls, = Texas for an AGO program next month and that's big enough for me...<G>)  
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles-Dobson/Rosalesorgan From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:33:30 EDT   I believe it means "Little Portion," hence the eponymous name of the Episcopal Franciscan monastery on Long Island.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Allen at Bellevue Baptist, Memphis From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:26:36 -0500   Where I come from, instruments such as this are known as "big silly = organs" or "Sears catalog organs" (I dreamed that one up after seeing the specs for = the Rodgers PO at Second Baptist Church in Dalls [or was it Houston?].) Gotta = give those Baptists credit...they think BIG in some areas at least. I wish my particular set of Baptists had had the money to build something even = approaching it in size. Then they could scream about the organ being too loud.   Now that we've had some chuckles over the Memphis Big Mama, who wants to = join me in envying the salesperson who's collecting a commission on this thing? = Can you say "vacation," boys and girls.   Have a good Day of Pentecost. Maynard   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 6/9/00 11:30:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = ScottFop@aol.com > writes: > > > In the recent threads describing the monstrous and magnificent new = Allen > > Renaissance organ at Bellevue Baptist in Memphis, Tennessee, I wanted = to > add > > > > (since no one has previously stated yet) that the tonal = specifications > were > > drawn up and designed by Tom Hazleton. > I am always amazed (and amused) when a behemoth organ has EVERYTHING = POSSIBLE > ON IT and then someone says they actually "designed" the spec! Whatta > hoot. Especially on one of those things where everything sounds the = same! > > Thanks for the laugh, folks!! > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen at Bellevue Baptist From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:29:53 +0800   I can't see any way of playing an organ like that but to abandon the use = of the stop knobs and only play using the combination pistons, BUT how long would = it take to preset them? Yoicks!!. Think I'm just as happy with my 2 manual job on which I can use ALL the = stops without bursting my brain! Bob E. CdyVanpool@aol.com wrote:   > Now please remember, I am not being nasty.... it is a wonderful work of > art.... unbelievable!!!!!!! And the work that must have went in on the > planning and instalation... a monumental feat.....but.... > This new organ at Bellevue Baptist has my chin on the floor... isn't it = a bit > much? Does 1 room REALLY need 250 speakers in 7 chambers and 320 stops? > I am not being nasty about the organ... > I'm sure they can afford it... but do they really NEED all that? > I understand it is a HUGE church with a wonderful, diverse music program > .....but 10, 10 count em... 32' stops, a 21 1/3' mutation and a 64' > reed?...Good Lord... are they gonna try to blow off the roof? <G> I'll = quit > being cute now..... > I guess what I am truely thinking about, is a sermon our misister gave = a > few months ago about "choices".... > Example: All these cable systems with 200 or so channels...there are = so > many channels, you can't make up your mind ,( you can't even read the = channel > guide either) so you do 1 of 2 things: just turn off the set in = frustration > or go back to NBC, ABC or CBS. > Somehow, I think you would almost be tempted to do the same = with > this large of an organ. ( I can't believe I am saying this...I never = thought > there could be too big an organ...<G>) > I guess I am just overwhelmed with the size ......it's mind > boggling....<G> I know it would be fun to play.... but , on each of your = own > organs, you know the perfect registration for a piece when you find = it.... > I'm sure there would be too many good settings for any piece you = did....I > couldn't choose...guess you could play the same piece for several = Sundays > with different registration and nobody might notice... ( I think I could = do > THAT with the same registration and my congregation STILL wouldn't = notice > either...<G>) > I know it is BEAUTIFUL... I know it would be wonderful to = hear....and > play... every organist's dream to have a stoplist like that. ( I didn't = say > electronic or pipe.... I said stop list...you can choose...<G>) BUT it = is a > MONSTER !!!!!!!!! > > Van Vanpool > ( I am playing an 80 rank AE-Skinner at First Pres. in Wichita Falls, = Texas > for an AGO program next month and that's big enough for me...<G>) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles -Dobson/Rosalesorgan From: <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:04:00 EDT   They are referring to "Our Lady of the Angels of Portiuncula." The Portiuncula was the little church where St. Francis and his original group of friars began the Franciscan Order. I doubt this has anything to = do with "piglets." Cassel has a listing for pig which is "porcus" which would =   put it, I think, in the fifth declension as a noun. Therefore there would = be no "t" in the word root. Piglets does not, in any way, belong to your translation of the title of this church!  
(back) Subject: Skinner strings From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:04:50 EDT   In a message dated 6/9/00 10:00:56 AM Russian Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << although Skinner's beautiful soft strings and solo reeds are much treasured. >>   Our 1983 5/103 Schantz started out life as a 1929 Skinner. Schantz (and Charles Kegg) did a beautiful job, and kept all of the significant Skinner =   stops, including the beautiful solo reeds, and the pedestrian strings. There are 4 sets of strings/celestes, and to my ear, they all sound the = same, except for volume. From softest to loudest: Echo (in gallery), Choir (Dulc/Unda Maris--I know that this is technically from the principle = family), Swell (salicionals--thin and just not "voluptuous"), and Solo = (Gambas--not bad). I think I would like to replace only the swell salicionals with a broad "Viola Pomposa" type strings, loud enough to color the whole ensemble when =   brought on. Should I rethink this?   Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, Los Angeles-Dobson/Rosalesorgan From: <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:07:18 EDT   Before the Portiuncula came St. Francis experience at the dilapidated = church of San Damiano. This is where he heard a voice from the cross asking him "Francis, rebuild my church." The Portiuncula came later!  
(back) Subject: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: "willh" <willh@cfl.rr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:08:11 -0400   Dear list,     I don't think I'll ever understand why these huge, monstrous, and mammoth digital organs are being built. If any of you have seen the latest from Allen they are very proud that they are building = three such organs all for Baptist churches. While reading through the stoplist = of the latest one (posted only on Piporg-l) I had a hard time keeping myself from laughing. They find it necessary to have so many stops that they run out of names to call them. Especially in the "high pressure reed" department, ex. Trompette de Gabriel, Trompette Heroique, Tuba de (Whoever gave the most money), next I expect them to call one "Loud = digital sample of horizontal brass thingy that's hard to tune 8'" I guess this = just proves what Holtkamp said, " Happiness is a mess of drawknobs."   If these churches demand large organs then why don't they spend a little extra money and buy one of the two five manual Kimball's = that are in storage right now? I had a chance once to play the 5m Allen at 1st Baptist in Jacksonville, FL which at that time was the largest digital = organ in the world. I enjoyed it but then I thought why did they have to have = the largest one?     Sincerely,   Will Scarboro          
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:08:32 EDT   How about adding a pair of fat Violas, so you don't lose the colors of the =   Salicionals? You could play the Sal & V Cel together as a Voix Celeste = IIrks. 8' Can't have too many strings!  
(back) Subject: Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:13:18 EDT   Hi Will; That's exactly what I said....and one was right there at hand! Seems like= =20 the Auditorium organ would have had enough power to compete with the latest,= =20 overpowered sound system! The old M=F6ller is coming along; the back Great regulator will go in th= is=20 coming week, then we start on the high pressure front Great that hasn't=20 played for 30 years.   Kurt  
(back) Subject: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:36:36 -0400   my question exactly...why SOOO big??? I mean, seriously. No one in their right mind can say with a straight face), that they NEED this organ. An organ THIS big is bought for 1 reason and for 1 reason only....they WANT = it, no more than that. They must have everything in their church taken care of to the point where this large amount of money is just sitting in their = bank account collecting dust. There's no point in having an organ that big with that many stops, unless of couse their organist has a 500,000-piece repertoire, and even then, I'm sure there are stops on that thing that up until now, never existed. I think this church went ahead and got this = organ for the prestige of having their name is some brochure saying that their church has the world's largest digital organ, not to mention the very next issue of the Guiness Book Of World Records. I guess some people are still preoccupied with size, thinking bigger is better. One of my organ teachers (Raymond Daveluy) once told me that an organist can go through his/her entire career playing on a 3-manual organ, and never needing and more than that. With the proper use of pistons, one can program all the = registrations on a 3-manual organ, and let's face facts, unless someone figures out a = way to grow extra limbs, we can only ever play on 2 manuals at the same time anyway, with the rare exception of the occasional 3rd melody being played = by either the index finger on the thumb on a 3rd manual.   Does anyone know the cost of this thing??? And, who's the organist at that church???   Also, with that many stops, the overall "full organ" sound won't sound any different than any other organ. I mean, most stops add little or nothing = to the overall ensemble anyway. And as for blowing the roof off that church, just because it's big, doesn't mean it's loud. Who knows...if they do blow the roof off, they'll regret spending all that money on an organ. They'll need the money for a new roof. *LOL*   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship From: "George W. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:04:03 -0500   Some time ago, there was a thread about pipe organs on the grand old = passenger liners [i.e. Titanic, et al]. I happened to see the cruise book from Holland = America Line's brand-new cruise ship MS Zaandam III. It has a large pipe organ = installation, termed a "band organ." [I'll assume it's orchestral/theatrical in composition]   According to the article, the case is three stories tall. The artist's = rendering shows a brightly decorated, almost rococo style case. I'm guessing the facade = pipes are 8' metal flues. The case is graced with two {presumably operating} drum percussion = units. The console, 2 manuals & pedal integral with the case, is arranged with = vertical rows of stopknobs either side of the keyboards. The instrument apparently has a = MIDI interface, so it can play the grand piano collocated in the atrium/lounge.   I'll hopefully have more info, including some photographs after my folks = get back from their cruise.   George Jenista Fort Worth, Texas    
(back) Subject: Re: The Allen at Bellevue Baptist, Memphis From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:15:05 -0500   At 6/10/00 07:26 AM, Maynard wrote:   >Now that we've had some chuckles over the Memphis Big Mama, who wants to >join me >in envying the salesperson who's collecting a commission on this thing? = Can >you >say "vacation," boys and girls?   "Vacation"...? I suppose that would be *sorta* correct...but you forgot = to mention that the vacation would be on the "new yacht"...for a year-long cruise around the world...!   I'm sure it all will be a most-appropriate usage for the good Baptists' hard-earned tithes and offerings...<sarcasm>   How sad.   TMB   PS -- Memphis...isn't there a orphaned municipal Kimball there...? Then again, it's probably better that they didn't get their hands on it...<more sarcasm>            
(back) Subject: Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:17:21 EDT   Why? Look around. Where I live, developers are building humongous ostentatious = Mc mansions by the acre and they sell faster than they can build them. The = roads are clogged with SUVs that get bigger each model year. It is just human nature. If ya got it flaunt it! I hate to be pessimistic but this opulence = is false because most of it is financed. I feel uneasy about the whole = economic boom and fear that it will soon come crashing down around our ears. I just =   hope that we can get some real, organs built that are works of art and not =   white just elephants.   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:20:00 EDT   Dear Steven:   I'd add the strings you want and leave the others alone, As you might be = sorry when it's too late!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:43:44 EDT   Dear List- As one who regularly presided at one of the world's largest pipe organs, I =   can say that I regularly used most of the 205 ranks I had at my disposal. =   However, I can also say that I have heard people play large instruments = and played them like they were 35 rank instruments. I hope that Bellvue = Baptist has an organist who will not be afraid to use the potential that organ = has. The thing is not to be afraid of the organ. I have hosted hundreds of organists who came to see and play the organ at Calvary. Most of them = were used to playing "normal" sized instruments, and I wold guess that 75% of = them were freaked out at the size console alone. Those were the people who would just reach for the 8,4,2,Mixture on the Great and play a little = ditty. I always enjoyed the organists who came in with the attitude of "I'm gonna =   tame this beast" because they were the ones who knew how to take advantage = of all that the organ has to offer. It doesn't take any different technique = to play an organ over 100 ranks, it takes a different state of mind. One has = to be creative and enjoy all the flexibility and subtle nuances that can be created with an instrument of unlimited possibility. I congratulate = Bellvue on their choice. They were not short sighted as to what they need = musically. Plus, I know that if Tom Hazleton is involved, the organ will be a masterpiece.   What a lot of people don't understand is what a "mega-church" needs musically. I don't mean this next line to be a slam against people who = serve smaller sized churches, but it's the truth. A 400 member church and a = 20,000 member church are two different organizations, and musical demands are radically different, and unless one has been involed with a church of over =   3000-4000 members, you don't and can't understand what is required in a mega-church. Also, one needs to take into account the sheer size of the building. Here in South Carolina, there is a large Baptist church with a 3500 seat sanctuary. Their organ is 53 or so ranks. They are hugely = scaled and use fairly high wind pressure. The organ is not nearly large enough = for the cubic footage of the room. The reason that they only have a moderate sized instrument was the result of some politics that resulted in the = family leaving the church and not giving the full amount of the organ. The = family had only donated enough for 53 ranks at that point, so that's what the = church got. As a result of this, the church relies mainly on its orchestra, and = the organ has become a filler, rather than the backbone that everything else = is built upon. That organ just isn't strong enough to lead congregational singing by itself, nor does it have the variety of stops needed to sucessfully do the variety of musical styles that a large congregation = does.   Not only does a mega church do the regular Sunday morning and evening services, but there are at least several weddings a week, funerals most everyday, special services several times a week, concerts most every = weekend, sometimes special organ concerts during the week, pageants at Christmas = and Easter that rival Broadway productions, etc. The organ needs to be able = to lead the music of these radically different events, and meet the musical needs and tastes of the people involved, therefore the need for = traditional "classical stops", theatre/gospel ranks, orchestral voices, etc.   So, there is a reason that the Bellvue organ has to be big, so those of = you who think it's a waste to have an organ of that size, think again. It = meets the musical demands of a congregation the size of a small city, and it = also meets the sound/space requirements of a mamouth auditorium.   I don't mean to insult anyone who is serving a small congregation, but = having worked in a mega-church for several years, I know what is required of not only the organ, but the organist.   Monty Bennett former Organist/Associate Minister of Music, Calvary Church, Charlotte, NC now a Funeral Director/Embalmer  
(back) Subject: Re: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:54:56 EDT   Greetings All,   Perhaps the onslaught of these organs states a great deal about some denominations theology: Bigger than Somebody else and yet still Fake! After all we don't want a REAL organ that would make us seem like a traditional church - bad for business. And of course we want the biggest Fake organ because then with the biggest we are the best.   I will not digress into a Theological discussion here about different denominations however I will 'suggest' that this organ is absolutly = perfect for 'that' church.   All the Best, Erik     > I don't think I'll ever understand why these huge, >monstrous, and mammoth digital organs are being built. If any of you have >seen the latest from Allen they are very proud that they are building = three >such organs all for Baptist churches. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Britson Kits From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:33:30 -0700   Britson Organworks offers its D105A in three formats, to meet a variety of needs.   First, of course, is the Britson D105A itself, a complete two manual and pedal digital organ. You can see the specs at http://www.britson.com   Then, there are two "kits". One is the entire D105A without a console. = You provide your own console. This includes all of the electronics, two keyboards, pedal board, rocker tabs and all that is needed to build the organ. If you had a two manual console shell, you could retrofit this kit to it.   Finally, there is the D105A Pipe Organ module. It is designed to add the voices of the D105 to a pipe organ.   Hope this helps.   Dennis Goward          
(back) Subject: re: Late Notice: Organ & Strings From: "Lee T Lovallo" <llovallo@juno.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:36:00 -0700     I apologize for this belated announcement, but it may still be of interest to some:   On Saturday, June 10 at 8:00 pm a newly restored 1m Jardine (ca. 1860, 54 notes, 7 stops) will be featured in a concert at St. Paul's Episcopal Church, 15th and J Streets, Sacramento, CA. The program includes Haydn: Missa brevis Sti. Johannis de Deo (Kleine Orgelsolomesse), James Hook: Concerto No. 5 in D for organ and strings, Stanley: Voluntary in G, Bach: Der Geist hilft unser Schwachheit auf.   David W. Robbins is the organist, Lee T. Lovallo directs the St. Paul's Compline Choir and the Little Orchestra of St. Paul's.   Lee Lovallo, choirmaster   ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: RE: Humongus Allen organs: Why? From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:46:24 -0500   I believe their roof is tethered with 64' bungee cords.... :-)   Peter   And as for blowing the roof off that church, just because it's big, doesn't mean it's loud. Who knows...if they do blow the roof off, they'll regret spending all that money on an organ. They'll need the money for a new roof. *LOL*   Carlo   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: The Bellevue Baptist Allen and a Kimball From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:13:31 EDT   In a message dated 6/10/00 10:14:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << PS -- Memphis...isn't there a orphaned municipal Kimball there...? = Then again, it's probably better that they didn't get their hands on = it...<more sarcasm> >>   Yes there is, the 5 manual, 115 rank double Kimball (two separate organs = that could be played together or separately- 5 manual/74 ranks and 4 manual/41 ranks respectively) and it has been pulled out of the building and professionally stored supposedly, and from what I understand the building that once housed it, that GLORIOUS double auditorium structure- has been = torn down. VERY VERY sad indeed, I cut teeth on that organ and played God = knows how many graduations and epscial events. Pity.   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen at Bellevue Baptist From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:55:25 -0400 (EDT)   Atleast it's an organ (that we assume will be played).   Neil    
(back) Subject: Little Portion, Long Island From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:14:55 -0700   Little Portion ... THAT brings back ancient memories ... are they still there? I know the Poor Clares were down to two nuns ... they sold the copyright on the Anglican Missal to us ... Father Joseph had assigned it to them years ago so they'd have an income.   Cheers,   Bud   DudelK@aol.com wrote:   > I believe it means "Little Portion," hence the eponymous name of the > Episcopal Franciscan monastery on Long Island. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org