PipeChat Digest #1454 - Monday, June 12, 2000
 
Re: pitch sagging
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Run out of Air/Austins
  by "Mr. Jan S. VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Delaware Pistons
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Looking for Organ Time in New Jersey
  by "Tom Baldwin" <tomba@pobox.com>
Re: Weird Pistons
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Fw: Fw: running out of air
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: pitch sagging
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post
  by "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
Kimball at 1st Baptist, LA
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Chicago area organ events
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Skinner strings
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Skinner strings.
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Britson Kits
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Britson Kits
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Shrine Kilgen- something to share with you
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Kimball at 1st Baptist, LA
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Britson Kits
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: Organs for large venues/was Humongus Allen
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
"Digitorg" polyphony
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven!
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Shrine Kilgen- something to share with you
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: pitch sagging From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:04:48   At 02:12 AM 6/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >if that's the case, then why are there no pitch fluctuations on the = GREAT's >of these organs???<schniip>   My point, exactly. It's not the Flexhaust; it's something else, most probably a malfunctioning regulator or overall poor design.   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Run out of Air/Austins From: "Mr. Jan S. VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:30:28 -0400       Rebekah Ingram wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <OrganMD@aol.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: Run out of Air   > > I had the chance to go into the Austin Universal chest once. Or rather I = was > sucked in. > > Doesn't Irvine Auditorium near UPenn in Phili have an Austin? I vaguely > remember about 25 of us going into that chest as well. I know they have = a > BIG tuba that takes a LOT of air.   Yup, UPenn's Irvine Auditorium in UPenn has an Austin with the Austin Universal chests. I remember being inside it too, so don't think you're losing your mind or something ;-)   Don't ask me what I'm doin up at 5 AM; I'm usually the one that sleeps till the last minute possible. Maybe its the medication I'm on for the viral infection I've got... dunno.   Tootles   Jan  
(back) Subject: Re: Delaware Pistons From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:30:21 EDT   I've had to set pistons on an organ or two this way,   Hold the selected piston in. While you're holding it in, draw the stops you want on it.   I have found that system to be a pain.   Tim  
(back) Subject: Looking for Organ Time in New Jersey From: "Tom Baldwin" <tomba@pobox.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:03 +0200   Hi,   I'm being dragged screaming to my ma-in-law's 90th celebrations in Denville, NJ. I'll be there eight days from June 15. I really need to get in some practice during that time and was wondering if any list member can help.   I'm not necessarily looking for anything fancy (I play a 2m Viscount at home) and I'm no maestro, but if you can get me on a bench in Denville/Mountain Lakes/Rockaway during that period I'd be grateful.   Thanks, Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: Weird Pistons From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:07:33 -0400   Sidebar on this topic:   On the other hand, I think some of the newer piston functions are most welcome. I especially like the 'recall' piston. For those of you who have never experienced one of these, it allows you to return to the registration you had prior to the one your currently using. Very handy if especially if you've manually added or deleted stops to a combo = on-the-fly, change to another piston and then want to go back to the 'modified' combo without having to 'set' the combo with the modifications.   Ed   Dennis Goward wrote:   > The first organ I ever took lessons on was a Mostly Moller in Grandale = Pres > Church in Detroit. It was a small two man organ. To set the combo, you > would press the piston, and while holding it in, pull the stops you = wanted > against the vacumn holding them in. You would hear an audible click, = and > the stop would be on that piston. > > The console was winded, so all the pistons worked with wind. > > Dennis > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: running out of air From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:40:13 -0500   That's right, Ron... Just find an old tracker with massive bellows and start dancing on them! ....Sure beats the stair-climber!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Fw: running out of air     > Dear Rick, > > With exercise like that who needs a Gym? > > RON > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:03:56 -0500     >Well...from experience...."If it's Dutch, it ain't much!"   WHOAA!!   I'm born Dutch, and I "aint much"? (plus a few other list members)         I have visions >of an Amsterdam street organ....   But only the Dutch have enough nerve to play pipe organs out on the = street!   (Now hiding in my flameproof "barrel")   John V >      
(back) Subject: Re: pitch sagging From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:07:55 -0500   Maybe the other part of the organ needs a schwimmer or regulator at the wind chest to stop the drop in pressure?? the winds lines to long? just a thought, Luther -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:53 PM Subject: Re: pitch sagging     >if that's the case, then why are there no pitch fluctuations on the = GREAT's >of these organs??? BTW, they are very cheaply built. > >Carlo >    
(back) Subject: Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:59:30 EDT   Monty:   Someone told me that the mega organ at Calvary Church is no longer in use, = and that now the church uses guitars and drums. Is that correct? = (Hopefully not).  
(back) Subject: Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post From: "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:15:51 PDT   Hello,   The 5m/205r Moller at Calvary/Charlotte NC is played every Sunday by a = very fine young organist, J. Marty Cope (a former student of mine). He plays extremely well and knows how to use the organ's resources effectively for service playing and repertoire. It is true that the church uses guitars = and drums at their comtemporary service (9:30 am). The organ & choir lead the =   traditional worship at 10:45 am. The organ is in great shape (10 yrs old = now!) with continuing monthly maintenance (10 hrs/month with any other service = as needed).   Dan Miller Former Calvary Organist, former Calvary Min of Music now Product Manager, Rodgers Instruments LLC Hillsboro, Oregon     > > Someone told me that the mega organ at Calvary Church is no longer in = use, and > that now the church uses guitars and drums. Is that correct? (Hopefully = not).   >      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:12 -0500   ---- Original Message ----- From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Pipe Organ on a passenger Ship     > > >Well...from experience...."If it's Dutch, it ain't much!" > > WHOAA!! > > I'm born Dutch, and I "aint much"? (plus a few other list members) > > > > > I have visions > >of an Amsterdam street organ.... > > But only the Dutch have enough nerve to play pipe organs out on the street!   YES! Outside my window at 8:00 on Monday mornings when I lived in = Amsterdam! Seriously, though, one of a only a few very minor complaints about a = lovely country!   > (Now hiding in my flameproof "barrel") > > John V      
(back) Subject: Kimball at 1st Baptist, LA From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:33:43 EDT   In a message dated 6/10/00 11:58:19 PM Russian Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << Speaking of Kimballs, First Baptist of Los Angeles has an original, = large Kimball installation from the '20s. >>   This Kimball hasn't been original for decades! There are still some of = the glorious stops, like a 32' Trombone with wood resonators, and a 32' open = wood they could rent out as apartments. A lot has been tampered with, much replaced with upperwork, and the "solo" =   replaced with a bombarde. I imagine the antiphonal is still original. There is a delightful 12 rank Ken Simpson in the chapel.   Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:33:55 EDT   In a message dated 6/10/00 6:21:16 PM Russian Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   << I'd add the strings you want and leave the others alone, As you might = be sorry when it's too late! Ron Severin >>   Dear Ron; Thanks for the note. This Skinner (1929) was never described as a good organ, and Tellers redid it in 1959, and then Schantz built a completely = new organ in 1983, retaining 20 of the Skinner stops. I'm having a hard time imagining how I might be sorry to have a set of beautiful, voluptuous = viola pomposas in the swell, instead of the pedestrian salicionals, especially = when the same sound is available in the solo Gambe, the Choir Dulciana, and the =   Echo strings. However, having been in the organ service business for many years, I am = very aware that many organs would have been left alone, and that "improvements" = in some cases, weren't.   Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:33:47 EDT   In a message dated 6/10/00 9:35:47 PM Russian Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << If you must, add a Viola Pomposa, or better yet, an 8 Principal to the Swell. If the room is live enough a Geigen would probably do what = you want. But don't sacrifice those unique sizzling strings!!!! >>   Bruce, et al;   There is a nice Diapason in the swell, but when it is added, the celeste disappears, and the "undulating" ceases. The room, though gothic-in-excelsis, is not very live. I thought it might be more = acceptable to replace the swell salicionals since the other strings sound the same. = I wouldn't be losing the keen strings (of which there are 4 sets) but adding =   the broader violas (of which there are NO sets). Would it be OK if I kept =   the salicionals crated for when someone wanted to have all the strings = sound the same again? BTW, this is a 103 rank organ.   Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Chicago area organ events From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:06:39 -0500   There are quite a few silent movie events scheduled for the Chicago area...in addition two of the programs at the ATOS convention are open to the public and are included too:   Friday, July 28, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. The Silent Film Society of Chicago presents THE SILENT SUMMER Film Festival. Erich von Stroheim and Fay Wray in "The Wedding March" (1928) accompaniment by Jay Warren. Gateway Theatre (3/17 mostly Wurlitzer), 5216 W. Lawrence Ave., Chicago. Tickets: $7, $8 in advance; $10 day of show. Festival passes at $30 & $35 =   available. (773) 777-9438. July 27 - August 2, 2000 45th Annual ATOS Convention Great Music on a Great Lake! Milwaukee, Wisconsin Public concerts during the convention:   WALTER STRONY AT THE WURLITZER All seats $12.00. (Sorry, no =   senior or member discounts for these shows) Friday, July 28, 2000 - 8:00 PM Mail ticket orders to: ATOS CONVENTION 2000 TICKETS, Riverside Theatre P.O. Box =   1501, Milwaukee, WI 53201-1501 116 W. Wisconsin Avenue Indicate number of tickets desired for each concert, and include Milwaukee, WI a self-addressed, stamped envelope.   SIMON GLEDHILL AT THE KIMBALL Tickets are also available = at Organ Piper Music Palace, Sunday, July 30, 2000 - 1:00 PM 4353 S. 108th Street, Greenfield, WI. Oriental Theatre NOTE: Order early! There is limited capacity at the Oriental Theatre. 2230 N. Farwell Avenue Milwaukee, WI   Friday, August 4, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. SFSC's SILENT SUMMER Film Festival. Charles Farrell, Janet Gaynor in "Seventh Heaven" (1927) with = accompaniment by Dennis Scott. Special guest to be honored: Organist John Muri. Gateway Theatre (3/17 mostly Wurlitzer), 5216 W. Lawrence Ave., Chicago. Tickets: $7, $8 in advance; $10 day of show. (773) 777-9438. Friday, August 11, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. SFSC's SILENT SUMMER Film Festival. Charlie Chaplin, Georgia Hale in "The Gold Rush" (1925) with accompaniment by Don Springer. Chaplin's two-reeler "The Rink" (1917) = will precede feature. Gateway Theatre (3/17 mostly Wurlitzer), 5216 W. Lawrence Ave., Chicago. Tickets: $7, $8 in advance; $10 day of show. (773) 777-9438.   Friday, August 18, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. SFSC's SILENT SUMMER Film Festival. Janet Gaynor, George O'Brien in F.W. Murnau's "Sunrise" (1927) with accompaniment by Denis Scott. Gateway Theatre (3/17 mostly Wurlitzer), = 5216 W. Lawrence Ave., Chicago. Tickets: $7, $8 advance; $10 day of show. (773) 777-9438.   Friday, August 25, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. SFSC's SILENT SUMMER Film Festival. Charles "Buddy" Rogers and Mary Pickford in "My Best Girl" (1928) with accompaniment by Jay Warren. This was Pickford's last silent film. Gateway Theatre (3/17 mostly Wurlitzer), 5216 W. Lawrence Ave., Chicago. Tickets $7, $8 advance; $10 day of show. (773) 777-8898.   Thursday, October 26, 2000 at 7:30 p.m. Silent Film Society of Chicago presents "The Cat and the Canary" with accompaniment by Dennis Scott. Pickwick Theatre (3/11 Wurlitzer), 5 S. Prospect, Park Ridge, IL. Tickets $7, $8 advance; $10 day of show. (773) 777-9438.   Friday, October 27, 2000 at 7:30 p.m. University of Chicago Rockefeller Chapel (4/80+ E.M. Skinner) presents a silent film screening; title to be announced. Accompaniment by Jay Warren. Rockefeller Chapel, 59th & Woodlawn, Chicago.      
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:15:21 EDT   Steve, While crating the Salicionals is an option, the fatter satrings you long =   for probably won't fit on the same chest space! Another matter to = consider. I'd still add a pair of Viole de Gambes and keep the Salicionals = also.... Kurt  
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner strings From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:15:48 EDT   Sorry for hasty typing! That should have read "Strings", of course!  
(back) Subject: Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:16:25 EDT   Dan:   Thanks. That's good news to hear.   I love your hymn CD on that organ. I just ordered 3 of your gospel = arrangements.   I have a 4-rank Moller at my house.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Skinner strings. From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:54:36 -0400   Did Skinner have a Viole d'Orchestre stop in the style that has become familiar from the accompaniment to the chanting of the Psalms =   by the Choir of Kings College Cambridge ?   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Britson Kits From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:54:04 -0700   The D105 KIT is still available -- it is the actual D105 organ with keyboards and pedal, sans console. And yes, it sounds very good -- same = as the production organ, just no console included.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Britson Kits From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:58:56 -0500   Bob Scarborough wrote: > Then we can surmise that Cluff's website is incorrect, also. At ten = grand > for a "kit" minus any wood, this thing had better sound pretty good!!   I guess they do sound pretty good (not worth what he's asking, probably). I just submitted the link because I remember he had some of the Britson kits on his website.   Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: Why Large Instruments are Necesary (LONG) x-post From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:40:18   At 10:59 AM 6/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Someone told me that the mega organ at Calvary Church is no longer in = use, and that now the church uses guitars and drums. Is that correct? = (Hopefully not). <snip>   Hopefully untrue, as this is a formidable instrument, but fully = believable, as the "fundie disease" spreads. To listen to some of these people, you'd think the organ was evil in and of itself! I've noticed many smaller e-orgs being "eBayed" lately, and follow-up e-mails to the seller usually reveals the same story: "The organ has no place in OUR church...it's a symbol of a corrupted past of Christianity."...as IF these pRaZe bAnDs solve anything! This has happened before; witness in history the organ destructions in = Olde England and in France due to politico-religious upheavals. I compare the current "fundie" craze in the US to be an equivalent to events that led up to what happened in Iran around '79. It is also a well-funded surrepticious right wing socio-political movement. Forewarned is = forearmed.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Shrine Kilgen- something to share with you From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:31:13 EDT   Check this out: <A HREF=3D"http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/norgan12_20000612.htm">http://www.= freep ..com/news/locoak/norgan12_20000612.htm </A>  
(back) Subject: Re: Kimball at 1st Baptist, LA From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:17:31   At 12:33 PM 6/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/10/00 11:58:19 PM Russian Daylight Time, >desertbob@rglobal.net writes: > ><< Speaking of Kimballs, First Baptist of Los Angeles has an original, = large > Kimball installation from the '20s. >> > >This Kimball hasn't been original for decades!<snip>   Correction duly noted!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Britson Kits From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:03:01 -0400   Hi - I'm a new subscriber, church organist, from the East Coast, interested in a new electronic organ for my home.   Does the Britson "kit" sound not only good, but like a good deal for the money?   Thanks for anything you may be able to tell me about them. Ed   ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Soulek <soulek@frontiernet.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Britson Kits     > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > Then we can surmise that Cluff's website is incorrect, also. At ten grand > > for a "kit" minus any wood, this thing had better sound pretty good!! > > I guess they do sound pretty good (not worth what he's asking, > probably). I just submitted the link because I remember he had some of > the Britson kits on his website. > > Paul > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs for large venues/was Humongus Allen From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:56:28 -0400   Ron, I'll try that, just for fun. Thanks for your reply.   Alan   > From: RonSeverin@aol.com > Subject: Re: Organs for large venues/was Humongus Allen > > Check it out with them and if I'm wrong > I'll retract the statement. The organ went in between 1990-92ish.    
(back) Subject: "Digitorg" polyphony From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:05:08   Interesting doin's over on the e-org list, worth mention over here. An = oft cited criticism of digital organs is their lack of polyphony, which was limited to 12 notes in Allen's pioneering "MOS" series of the early '70s. Should any more be attempted, other already playing notes would "drop = out", starting at the bottom on the scale, if memory serves (which it hasn't = been lately, but that's not important right now).   The new Rennaissance series has eliminated this problem for all practical intents and purposes, as have other builders. Thus, it can no longer be used as a valid argument against the poseurs. To quote e-org listemember "Matt C.", after a query as to the playable note limitation of Allens:   "Well, this is getting weird! I drew the choir 4' octave and used pencils to hold down 16 notes ..... c major chords ..... then manually started playing E flat minor chords one note at a time. So I added 8 = notes and all were still playing. !!!!! If there was drop out (such as the = lowest dropping as you add higher notes), I couldn't detect it."   Little by little, the differences and failings are going by the wayside.   'Nuff said.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:14:57 EDT   In a message dated 6/11/00 11:45:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << Chestnut Hill Pres. is a beautiful spec. I'm sure it sounds equally loverly. Too bad it isn't closer to Boston!! >>   I'd just be happy if it shifted a bit closer to Stamford! I am going down there this Friday with Stephen Roberts, Fred Teardo, and possibly a couple = of other students. I took Judy Ollikkala there a couple of weeks ago. It = really has turned out very well, and has a character different from Sts. Ig & Ag.   Take care (until August)   Malcolm  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:20:34 PDT     Since every key sounds exactly the same in ET (namely, bad) what's the = point of ever composing in any key besides C major in the modern age? In the 1800's it made sense with temperament with varying key colors, now it is just dumb.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:26:08 +0800   Ron, let me know when your membership reaches 100. Until then I'm going to have a snooze. Take your time!I think you'll need time and plenty of it! Bob E.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Malcolm: > > Let's start an anti Equal Temperment movement, as there is absolutely = nothing > musical in supporting ET. Kellner does not interfere with the normal = resonance > of the pipes like ET does. To hear an organ in Kellner is a cleansing, > silvery, > and beautiful experience. I can't recommend it enough. > > Once you've experienced the beauty of Kellner you never will or want to = go > back > to something awful like ET! It plays modern music with equal cham, hymns = are > to die for gorgeous. My congregation loved the new sound, so I've = created a > good monster. > > Choral Music sung accapella is not in equal temperment hopefully. Maybe = people > will stop writing in totally absurd keys too. It's not necessary. When I = find > something > in 5 flats it goes to two sharps, 6 flats it goes to one sharp, 5 sharps = goes > to 2 flats. > It works for me! Oh! 7 flats my favorite goes to no accidentals at all. = I'm > bad, real > bad! I just work it out beforehand. I think it is worth the trouble to = defeat > this nonsense. > > Sincerely, > > Ron > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:28:22 +0800   Maybe I'm some sort of freak but I don't hear all keys sounding the same with Equal Temperament. I find that Db major and Gb have a richness of their own which is probably why Moody and Sankey wrote so much of their evangelical songs in those keys. They are emotional. I also prefer the sound of Ab major to A major. I hear each key as having a different characteristic. I wouldn't want it to be any different.   If all kesy sound the same I wonder why the great composers bothered to write in different keys? Sorry, I can't agree with you.   Am I alone in this?   > >Maybe people will stop writing in totally absurd keys too. It's not = necessary. > When I find something in 5 flats it goes to two sharps, 6 flats it goes = to one > sharp, 5 sharps goes to 2 flats. > >It works for me! Oh! 7 flats my favorite goes to no accidentals at = all.<snip> > >I'm bad, real >bad!snip>   May be not BAD but I think you are certainly missing something important somewhere along the line. Bob E.  
(back) Subject: Re: Shrine Kilgen- something to share with you From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:37:25 -0400   trying to fix the link:   http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/norgan12_20000612.htm