PipeChat Digest #1456 - Tuesday, June 13, 2000
 
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Beethoven on ET, egad!
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin)
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Music request
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Britson Kits
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re:  Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven!
  by "Ken and Chris Potter" <tracker@j51.com>
Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy!
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Music request
  by "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy!
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Re: Music request
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
RE: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
RE: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
re: Vassar "Kimball"...
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Vassar RECITAL HALL Organ
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:42:55 +0100     From: Bob Elms Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner   > Maybe I'm some sort of freak but I don't hear all keys sounding the same > with Equal Temperament. I find that Db major and Gb have a richness of > their own snip > I hear each key as having a different > characteristic. I wouldn't want it to be any different. > Am I alone in this?   No, of course you are not alone. The notion that all keys sound the same in ET is preposterous. At the most mundane level, when an organ is set up for ET, the beat rate for a third interval from A, (for instance,) is different to the beat rate for a third from Ab. And so on throughout the scale, at all intervals. It IS true that many listeners 'have no ear to hear' so to speak, just as there are some who cannot hear the difference between zinc, or wood, or spotted metal diapasons.   Ron:- > > >Maybe people will stop writing in totally absurd keys too. It's not necessary. > > When I find something in 5 flats it goes to two sharps, 6 flats it goes to one > > sharp, 5 sharps goes to 2 flats. > > >It works for me! Oh! 7 flats my favorite goes to no accidentals at all.<snip> > > >I'm bad, real >bad!snip> > Bob:- > May be not BAD but I think you are certainly missing something important > somewhere along the line.   Absolutely. I think the use of the word 'absurd' is particularly unfortunate, if it is then proposed that a piece in Db maj. will sound the same in Dmaj. (aside from the pitch, that is)   I will not deny however, that I *have* from time to time found uses for these 'cod' transpositions: First, for pupils who confound utterly the notion held by their parents, that their offspring harbour even the glimmer of natural musicianship - it is possible by shifting a semi-tone to let them play with fewer 'black notes' ( ye gods!)   Secondly, and usually found in the above group, those who prove entirely impervious to the idea of transposition as a musical skill, and can be given this little tid-bit of pseudo technique, in order to create an illusion of transpositional ability. (ye gods again, yea, and even the little fishes!).   Will all those now requiring an apology from me, please form an orderly queue. Or we could just synchronise mail filters. <g>   Chris B.    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:54:21 +0800   I can't believe you are serious Dave. If it worries you that much delete = the key signature and add the accidentals. It will be in C and you can have real = fun playing it! Our choir is practising Rutter's Requiem. Try writing that in = C and then see if any choir can sing it. Bob Elms. "Dave G." wrote:   > Since every key sounds exactly the same in ET (namely, bad) what's the = point > of ever composing in any key besides C major in the modern age? In the > 1800's it made sense with temperament with varying key colors, now it is > just dumb. > > DG > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Beethoven on ET, egad! From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:06:55 +0800   Sorry! I haven't a Casio keyboard. We could mess around for years changing temperaments and noone would ever be satisfied. I don't know how many = organs are tuned to other temperaments than ET in the US but in this country they = could be counted on one hand I believe. There is at least oneWerkmeister IV in the = other states of which I have a recording (organ by Ahrends). I believe that = particular organ plays baroque music very well, but not much else. If these strange temperaments are so good why are they not more widely = used? Because they have more limitations than ET and if you are going to play = modern romantic music they cannot be tolerated. ET seems to be practically universally used. Why not face the fact? You = may not agree but that is your prerogative, just as mine is to state my opinion. Bob Elms.   I have a Ahlborn keyboard which has Meantone, Valotti, and Werkmeister III = in two pitches as well as ET. As far as I am concerned ET handles any key = very satisfactorily but the others have some keys which sound terrible.   "Dave G." wrote:   > >If all kesy sound the same I wonder why the great composers bothered to > >write in different keys? Sorry, I can't agree with you. > > Because they weren't writing in equal temperament. That's the WHOLE = POINT > OF THIS DISCUSSION. We don't know how great composers expected it to = sound > because they were writing for different tunings. We won't have a clue = how > Beethoven wanted it to sound if we play his piano concertos in = Renaissance > meantone. We won't have much more of a clue how Beethoven wanted it to > sound if we play his piano concertos in ET. And with all the supposed > Beethoven scholars running around claiming he wrote for ET we might as = well > be wearing earmuffs in Symphony Hall. > But if we try Beethoven on a couple period temperaments we might get a = good > sense of it. > > Even the illustrious CHOPIN who wrote stuff in some pretty wild keys and > modulated around the circle of 5ths like a crazed animal had his piano = tuned > to Villotti or one of the other relatively even well-temperaments, not = ET. > > I won't debate that perheps you notice different moods from different ET > keys, I am of course not listening between your ears. But I would bet = if > you hit the Kellner button on your Casio keyboard and played some of = your > favorite Bb pieces you'd be even happier with them. > > regards, > > DG > > (trying to sign up more members to DTETS) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! (Ron Severin) From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:04:16 -0500   If all keys sounded the same, we wouldn't have so many people around with = varying forms of chromesthesia (associating colors with keys) - and composers = never would have developed key signatures in the first place. I can't imagine = everything written in the same key. Kinda makes me c-sick!   Margo   Bob Elms wrote:   > Maybe I'm some sort of freak but I don't hear all keys sounding the same > with Equal Temperament. ent. > > If all kesy sound the same I wonder why the great composers bothered to > write in different keys? Sorry, I can't agree with you. > > Am I alone in this? > > > >Maybe people will stop writing in totally absurd keys too. It's not = necessary. > > When I find something in 5 flats it goes to two sharps, 6 flats it = goes to one > > sharp, 5 sharps goes to 2 flats. > > >It works for me! Oh! 7 flats my favorite goes to no accidentals at = all.<snip> > > >I'm bad, real >bad!snip> > > May be not BAD but I think you are certainly missing something important > somewhere along the line. > Bob E. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Music request From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:55:58 EDT   Hi Gang, I have a request. Have any of you heard of the following two songs? = "God Walks The Dark Hills" and, "Some Golden Daybreak". My minister asked if = I knew these songs, and I have never heard of them. A search of several hymnals failed to turn up anything. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Britson Kits From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:03 EDT   Dear Ed:   One of the best alternatives for the money is the Ahlborn module, you're not stuck with just one module type and the are not as expensive. They have 4 and 2 on the way A.C. Coll, and a Silbermann, plus the already available Classic, Romantic, and 201 and 202. I chose a Classic and a 201. the cost for two installed, $14,000. I included all the Amps, Speaker = Cabs, and the midi(propiriatory by the way) along with a very sophisticated reverberation system. The Britson kit was on a special for $8,900. and the special is over.   I hope this helps.   Ron on vacation  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ tuned to Kellner - Bruce Heaven! From: "Ken and Chris Potter" <tracker@j51.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:58:40 -0400       At 09:28 AM 6/13/2000 +0800, you wrote: >Maybe I'm some sort of freak but I don't hear all keys sounding the same >with Equal Temperament. I find that Db major and Gb have a richness of >their own which is probably why Moody and Sankey wrote so much of their >evangelical songs in those keys. They are emotional. I also prefer the >sound of Ab major to A major. I hear each key as having a different >characteristic. I wouldn't want it to be any different.<snip>   I grew up in southern Indiana in an area that was sort of Appalachain in culture, or lack thereof - whichever way you look at it. Lots of people played piano (pie-ann-ah) by ear and taught their kids to play by ear. Everyone seemed to have an old beat up upright in their home.   There seemed to be a thing with people who did not learn "classically" to want to always play in the extreme flat keys. Something about feeling = more comfortable on the black notes. I can remember people saying "I don't = play sharps" when confronted with music in sharp keys.   Most of those pianos were tuned in the "Haven't seen a tuner around these parts in years" temperament. They sounded great when you put thumbtacks = in the hammers!   In my town there were pipe organs at the Presbyterians and the Methodists, and a Hammond at the Lutherans, but I went to a country church with a = piano and never heard a pipe organ till I was 16 cuz it were a sin to go in = those heathen churches where they dribbled a little water on ur head and called = it baptizin.   One day, a music store in Cincinnati sent a slick salesman around and said they would put a nice little Hammond spinet in our church to try and we didn't have to buy it, but just try it for awhile for free. We tried it = and they took it back cuz there just wasn't enough money around, but then for years people harped that they oughta get one of those nice spinets. I = doubt if they have one yet. I was fascinated by those "start" and "run" = switches, and the noise it made starting up.   The pianist finally figured out she should take off her left shoe so she could play the pedals better, so she had one stylish spike heeled shoe on the expression pedal and her nyloned left foot on the pedals. I thought = it kinky even then.   Finally I decided I had sinned enough to go to hell anyway, so I might as well go hear some good pipe organs and ended up in New York and Episcopickle.   Ken (who is still sinning and playing a three manual Austin tuned to "Artistic temperament.")     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~ Kenneth G. Potter, Minister of Music Home = 914/358-2528 St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square Church = 718/931-9270 2500 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, New York 10461 e-mail = tracker@j51.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~    
(back) Subject: Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:30:11 EDT   Dear Desert:   Try left wing, and it is insidious, and I might add disrespectful, and not in my estimation worthy of the worship of God. Praise Bands are the work of El Diablo to be sure, as entertainment has never been worship of God, but of man. Happy clappy may be worship to some, but to whom, certainly not God. Oh I know the words seem to be Christian, I've heard that excuse,or it brings um in, and the real bottom line is $$$ $$$ $$$ = not worship of God. Too bad some seem to think going down this road is the resolution and salvation. What goes along with this charade is tellin' um what they want to hear, not what they need to hear, and the money rolls in for a while, and then disaffection and falling away. The doors close. Who benefits then, you guessed it, old, quietly evil, El Diablo!?   Ron on vacation  
(back) Subject: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:30:03 -0500   Dear List,   Well, it shows how much I am in touch here! I work at Vassar College and heard the rumors about the Gress-Miles/Kimball leaving our recital hall to be replaced by a baroque style tracker. Beyond that, it was very hard to dig up info. I think some one said Fisk?   Anyhow, as posted earlier, I am curious how this is going to work architecturally, but no one here has shared that info with me.   While browsing the "Diapason", lo and behold the "old" organ is for sale! In whole or in parts for $50K or best offer.   I am curious if Vassar is on track(no pun intended) with their price here.   I'll repeat portions ofthe ad:   "1931 Kimball/Gress Miles Organ - Three manuals, 64 ranks, 69 stops, 3,548 pipes, including 32' sub-bass, 32' Contre Basson, and a rich variety of reed, string, and flute stops. Presently located in Recital Hall, Vassar College. Spec. available upon request. Pipe and chests in fine condition, combination action needs work, $50K or best offer, will consider selling induvidual ranks. Must be removed by Jan. 15, 2001...."   What is your feeling on them getting their price? and/or selling it all?   Thanks   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Music request From: "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:53:21 +0100   At 09:55 13/06/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Gang, > I have a request. Have any of you heard of the following two > songs? "God >Walks The Dark Hills" and, "Some Golden Daybreak".   Hi, Phil:   I know "Some Golden Daybreak" from my childhood in the 50s, but I'm not sure I have the music; it's a chorus, and the words are (if I remember correctly) -   Some golden daybreak, Jesus will come. Some golden daybreak, battles all won. We'll shout the victory, break through the blue, Some golden daybreak - for me, for you.   That's it - and the tune isn't much better either!   I inherited my father's music when he died, which included several "Gospel =   Melodies" books, and I'll look through them this evening when I get home - =   in a couple of hours or so - if no one else has been able to help you by = then.   Cheryl     http://www.copemanhart.co.uk Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders England                   > My minister asked if I >knew these songs, and I have never heard of them. A search of several >hymnals failed to turn up anything. > Can anyone help me out? Thanks. > >Later, >Phil L. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:05:36   At 11:30 AM 6/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Well, it shows how much I am in touch here! I work at Vassar College and >heard the rumors about the Gress-Miles/Kimball leaving our recital hall = to >be replaced by a baroque style tracker. Beyond that, it was very hard to >dig up info. >I think some one said Fisk?<snip>   Obviously another stupid move of the hackneyed academics.   >Anyhow, as posted earlier, I am curious how this is going to work >architecturally, but no one here has shared that info with me.<snip>   ....nor will they. After all, THEY'RE smart....YOU'RE "dumb"...or, so = they would think.   >While browsing the "Diapason", lo and behold the "old" organ is for sale! >In whole or in parts for $50K or best offer.   >What is your feeling on them getting their price? and/or selling it all?<snip>   It's but another symptom of a fad-driven academia. There's a lot of value in that old Kimball , musically, but the original specification, of = course, leaves much to be desired in terms of performance of the early schools. This could be rectified with additions and judicious tonal work. But, no...the hacks want to be "in style", and thus will hack up another historic 20th century instrument. An example of success was the rebuilding/additions-to of the E.M. Skinner in Royce Hall at UCLA. I = would think the same could be done with the Kimball/Gress-Miles, but would take thought and work...something many academic hacks are loathe to do.   I'd suggest raising hell in the papers in the Northeast. Certainly there would be some support for derailing the "frisking" of this instrument...if only it were made public knowledge! Perhaps the campus radio station (if there indeed is one) and the alumni can be of help, also.   Sick of "trackermania",   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:54:18   At 11:30 AM 6/13/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Try left wing, and it is insidious, and I might add disrespectful, and = not >in my estimation worthy of the worship of God.<schniip>   pRaZe bAnD music is a function of far-right learning "fundie" churches, = and has spread also to "mainstreamers", who are trying anything to drag people through the door, after suffering years of losses, both in attrition and = to the "fundies". It's also interesting to note that such barns featuring pRaZe/Happy Clappy also are the ones that disdain the organ as a "symbol = or corrpution", have the women wearing floor-length dresses, and push the boundary of church-state separation by working with church-provided funds on far-right political candidates' campaigns.   Increasingly, not just the "fundies" are guilty of this either; witness Mahoney's and the Mo-Mo's pouring of church funds into the "Yes on 22" campaign in California. I've since petitioned my representatives that these "churches" should be taxed, just like any other business. I found out to my surprise, while they clearly state that such legislation = wouldn't pass now, there's an increasing contingent of the electorate that thinks likewise. All the better to continue my campaign to place the organ back into public, secular performance places, and free it from the "church", which has lost its mission anyway, and is dabbling in areas where it shouldn't.   I'm not sure how they'd go over in fish markets yet, however....   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:25:49 -0000   The part that has me shocked about this story is that I was just up at Vassar last weekend for a reunion weekend and conducted the reunion choir for the chapel service. Sam said nothing about that.   I will try and dig out more information!!!!   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Music request From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:24:03   At 04:53 PM 6/13/2000 +0100, you wrote: > >Some golden daybreak, Jesus will come. >Some golden daybreak, battles all won. >We'll shout the victory, break through the blue, >Some golden daybreak - for me, for you. > >That's it - and the tune isn't much better either!<snip>   Sounds like a PERFECT anthem for the happy-clappies, as they dream about their hopeful victories over egalitarianism, democracy and freedom of religion. With a translation into Farsi and a =BC-tone interval thrown in here and there, it might even be a hit with the mullahs in Iran. What dreck....   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ removal from Vassar college From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:44:14 EDT   In a message dated 6/13/00 12:10:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > Sick of "trackermania", That's OK, Bob.... we're sick of you having it!! hehehehehe   Although, I'm not familiar with the organ, but this seems to be a = situation where a new instrument should be purchased designed to specifically play = the desired period of music, while at the same time preserving the romantic instrument, or restoring it to ITS period beauty. If the "new" = instrument is going to serve as an academic play-all eclectic teaching instrument, = then, even worse, they BOTH lose, and neither period will be well-served.   Get the media screaming. Fortunately, they don't usually care what = they're screaming about, as long as they are on the opposite side of the = controversy! (bless 'em!)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:47:23 EDT   In a message dated 6/13/00 12:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > I'm not sure how they'd go over in fish markets yet, however.... What? Churches or organs!!   Organs play scales..... fish wear them! There's gotta be a connection somewhere.   A rohrflote might have a spotted (metal) bass!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:51:10 -0000   Where was Merilyn Gallagher during all this? And who made this decision?   Charles      
(back) Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "Charles E. Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:36:29 -0000   By the way.....where was Merilyn Gallagher in all this decision = making?????   Charles   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Charles E. Brown Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:26 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college     The part that has me shocked about this story is that I was just up at Vassar last weekend for a reunion weekend and conducted the reunion choir for the chapel service. Sam said nothing about that.   I will try and dig out more information!!!!   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:30   At 12:51 PM 6/13/2000 -0000, Dr. Brown wrote: >Where was Merilyn Gallagher during all this?<snip>   Probably being given the "mushroom treatment", as obviously was the = public.   >And who made this decision?<snip>   Look for some relatively new hack in the music department that just got tenure, has good political connections in administration, and has ties of some nature to Fisk. Seen it happen before!   dB  
(back) Subject: re: Vassar "Kimball"... From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:02:45 -0500   Hi, List!   John Vanderlee wrote: >Well, it shows how much I am in touch here! I work at Vassar College and >heard the rumors about the Gress-Miles/Kimball leaving our recital hall = to >be replaced by a baroque style tracker. Beyond that, it was very hard to >dig up info. >I think some one said Fisk?   and DeserTBoB added: >It's but another symptom of a fad-driven academia. There's a lot of = value >in that old Kimball , musically, but the original specification, of = course, >leaves much to be desired in terms of performance of the early schools. >This could be rectified with additions and judicious tonal work. But, >no...the hacks want to be "in style", and thus will hack up another >historic 20th century instrument.   I think I've seen the stoplist of this organ recently, and if I remember correctly it could hardly still be called a Kimball. To my recollection, G-M had replaced most of the principal choruses and many chorus reeds (in the '70's, I think...), and added scads of upperwork. Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong about either the "tonal remodeling" or the time of its installation!   If, however, the thing *is* as I remember seeing it via stoplist, it wouldn't take much imagination to guess what it *really* might sound like now...remember all that awful stuff that happened to old romantic organs = in the '70's...??? :-(   Perhaps they're best to sell it off as parts -- at least somebody might be able to use the remaining "real" Kimball material, and the rest of it = could likely be almost-virgin 17th halving pipework -- only needing a voicer to turn it into something. It would probably be fabulous if restored to its Kimball specs -- but as DB implies, that's an unlikely proposition. Too = bad.   Cheers!   Tim        
(back) Subject: Vassar RECITAL HALL Organ From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:03:15 -0500   Dear Org-Lrs,   I should make clear that it is NOT the large Gress-Miles in the Chapel that's leaving. It is the one in the Recital Hall (different building) that's up for sale.   John V      
(back) Subject: RE: Organ removal from Vassar college From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:14:51 -0500   >Where was Merilyn Gallagher during all this? And who made this decision? > >Charles > > Again, I am just a by-stander - not privy to all the info.   John V