PipeChat Digest #1462 - Thursday, June 15, 2000
 
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1461 - 06/15/00
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Re: Flentrops [was Vassar "Kimball"...]
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Professionalism
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Re: Professionalism
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
The Sound Of Music
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: The Sound Of Music
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: The Sound Of Music
  by "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net>
Re: Contract
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fw: Organ removal from Vassar college
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1461 - 06/15/00
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Professionalism
  by "J. R." <hookscar@hotmail.com>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net>
Re: Crown Imperial
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
reeds and things
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: reeds and things
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: new and different wedding music?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
A forwarded message
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
new and different wedding music?
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Re: Hymn Text for the List
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Professionalism
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:17:53 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg <homza@indiana.edu> To: <Pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: new and different wedding music?     > Listers, > > Apologies if this is off-topic, but a friend of mine is getting married = in > a little less than two weeks, and she's looking for something "new and > different" to walk in and out to. I've given her [what I feel to be] > ample suggestions, but...she persists... > > Anyone out there have any really neat ideas?   We're doing the Charpentier Te Deum and a Bach Sinfonia. I have to look up which one it is, though, I've forgotten. ;-)   We get to have a trumpet too. :)   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:42:34 -0500   Am on my way out the door to work, but one processional I have found that = is a hit with brides is the Overture from the Royal Fireworks - it's stately and about the right length for most churches.   A friend of mine once suggested the opening movement of the most familiar = of the Boyce organ symphonies - I don't play much of his these days, and = can't give you numbers or names without looking.   Regards to you,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1461 - 06/15/00 From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:21:39 -0500   Good Morning:   After playing in the same church for many years, through many ministers, many music committees, the church has finally asked me for help in writing = a job description/contract.   Any suggestions from members of the list would be appreciated.   Thanks in advance.   Tom Gregory First Baptist Church Waukesha WI  
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:33:30 -0400   I've done this one a couple of times. Just leave out the 'Maria' melody. Ed   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 6/15/00 1:16:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes: > > > Then there's always the Bridal March from Sound of Music, Bruce's > > favorite. > You're just HORSING around... right??? > > (you're lucky it's really late and my brain has already gone to bed!) > hehehe > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Flentrops [was Vassar "Kimball"...] From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:36:27 -0500   >At 10:49 AM 6/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>He also did a concert with my flutist-wife (long >>ago) on a Sch#%@er electronic. But he probably does not want to remember >>that!<snip> > >I also played on and worked on a few Sch#%@bers, proving true the saying: > >"That which does not kill you makes you stronger." > >DeserTBoB   I actually helped buid that Sch#%@er, then I moved on to Wurlitzers(pipe type). So I guess you're right!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:57:53 -0500   At 6/15/00 12:04 AM, Van wrote: >Dear List, > > I wonder if anyone else on this list feels as I do. After reading = all >the nasty and hateful posts on here the last few days, I am now afraid to =   >send any posts that have any kinds of beliefs or opinions in them. I find = all >this disrespect of one another's beliefs, musical or theological, = disturbing >and completely uncalled-for. I think the majority of us are very = talented, >educated, professional people with many different ideas and beliefs about =   >music and the organ, all of which are worthy of hearing and respect. As >professionals, how can we say the things that have been said to each = other... >I wonder?   Dear Van,   I *don't* feel as you seem to -- in fact rather opposite, I think. There is indeed a wide variety of opinion (<-- important word!) represented by the membership of this List, and it seems to me to be quite natural to believe that there will also be disagreements, probably more often than not. How can this be a bad thing??? If we all agreed about everything, what would be the point of having the List in the first place...? How boring it would be!   It also seems perfectly natural to me to expect a large group of "very talented, educated, professional people with many different ideas and beliefs about music and the organ" to feel strongly about their individual ideas and beliefs -- so why would folks *not* want to defend their thoughts?? Occasionally, it is true that somebody might get a bit *too* militant = about something or other, but I would tend to see this as evidence of a discussion worth having. Music is an inherently emotional phenomenon, so of course these emotions are going to spill over into folks' discussions about that music. (now, the *theology*, on the other hand, is a = particular subject that I personally see little or no place for on this List, but = that is my personal opinion, which obviously differs from that of many others, perhaps yourself included.)   >Shouldn't we be able to express ourselves and disagree with one another >without being uncouth, rude, vulgar, hateful or nasty?   Well, these terms are completely subjective, in most part. What you might see as hateful, for example, might not read the same way to me or to = anyone else. I'd recommend that you do what I do -- if you see something that offends you, exercise your right to hit the <delete> key. All gone -- problem solved!   >Isn't the purpose of >a list such as this to provide a forum for the free exchange of = information, >ideas, and opinions? Perhaps we need to recall Voltaire's words: "I may =   >disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to = say >it."   Again, I think that is exactly what happens here -- and I'd think that our List Moderator is doing a fine job of following Voltaire's words by *not* jumping in and censoring every-other word that *might* be construed as offensive by someone or other.   >How do the rest of you feel?   Well you asked, so there it is. Feel free to <delete> if you wish...   Cheers!   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR        
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:36:30 -0400   Carlo,   How long has it been in print ? The first time I played it was around = 1978 or so. I couldn't find it published anywhere except the R & H library for = rent (expensive to rent too) so I hand wrote for organ and brass quintet while listening to it on tape.. Ed     Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > am I the ONLY one who actually has the music for the "Sound Of Music" > wedding march??? It's called "Wedding Processional", and it's arranged = for > organ by Ashley Miller. I've been playing it for years, and I love it. = If > anyone is interested, I can scan it and send it. It has registrations = for > pipe, electronic, and even Hammond organs. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:43:58 -0400   I agree with some of what your saying. I take most of the derogotory = comments in fun. Some of course are serious and IMO should be kept between the = parties involved and not public. On the other hand, I can relate to what many = are saying. (been there...done that...etc). Ed     CdyVanpool@aol.com wrote:   > Dear List, > > I wonder if anyone else on this list feels as I do. After reading = all > the nasty and hateful posts on here the last few days, I am now afraid = to > send any posts that have any kinds of beliefs or opinions in them. I = find all > this disrespect of one another's beliefs, musical or theological, = disturbing > and completely uncalled-for. I think the majority of us are very = talented, > educated, professional people with many different ideas and beliefs = about > music and the organ, all of which are worthy of hearing and respect. As > professionals, how can we say the things that have been said to each = other... > I wonder? > > Shouldn't we be able to express ourselves and disagree with one = another > without being uncouth, rude, vulgar, hateful or nasty? Isn't the = purpose of > a list such as this to provide a forum for the free exchange of = information, > ideas, and opinions? Perhaps we need to recall Voltaire's words: "I = may > disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to = say > it." > > Where is the moderator of this group? People calling each other = "Musical > W*ores" and other horrible things should not be condoned at all. I = feel it > demeans the professional musician and insults the intelligence of all of = us. > How do the rest of you feel? > > Van > Vanpool > > Organist, FUMC > Bowie, Texas > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: The Sound Of Music From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:39:39 -0400   Okay, truth be known to all.....the wedding processional can be found in "The Sound Of Music Souvenir Folio". It's published by Hal Leonard and can be picked up at your local music store, in the 'popular' music section. It contains all the songs from the movie, a song that was taken out at the = last minute, pictures from both the movie and the broadway production, AND the ever-famous "wedding processional".   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:46:51 EDT   Greetings,   In looking for "Different" wedding music I had a difficult time noteing = that even the odd balls I had done at least once! Anyways....   "Fanfare" - Lemmens (don't know how much it's used any more but nice) "Rigadoun" - Campra "Tuba Tune" - Fred Swan (best when you have a party horn) "Processional in Bb" - David Johnson "Toccata in G" - Dubois "Marche in D" - Guilmant (it's in 3/4 - not the Alla Handel) "War March of the Priests" - Mendelsshon (give it a new name) "Finale Jubilate" - Lemmens "Pilgrims Chorus" - Wagner "Wir danken dir Gott, wir danken dir" - Bach Sinfonia to Cantata 29 "Emperors Fanfare" - Soler   Many others but I'm at home and the music is at church....   All the Best,   Erik       ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:50:54 EDT   I've used the Wedding Processional a few times, but have taken it from the =   Score, which I have. It takes fortitude to avoid playing the "How Do You =   Solve a Problem Like Maria" theme in the pedal!  
(back) Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music From: "Ed Kolcz" <kolcz@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:54:17 -0400   thanks....I just finished playing a local production of SOM. R&H score = has it with with a middle section of the nuns Angelicus/Alleluia (which we cut). = And the actual processional without the 'maria' overlay. Obviously that was = for the movie only. Ed     Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > Okay, truth be known to all.....the wedding processional can be found in > "The Sound Of Music Souvenir Folio". It's published by Hal Leonard and = can > be picked up at your local music store, in the 'popular' music section. = It > contains all the songs from the movie, a song that was taken out at the = last > minute, pictures from both the movie and the broadway production, AND = the > ever-famous "wedding processional". > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Contract From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Thu Jun 15 10:13:14 2000   After playing in the same church for many years, through many ministers, many music committees, the church has finally asked me for help in = writing a job description/contract.   The AGO has a sample contract at www.agohq.org/profession/index.html  
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:42:35 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Johnson <the_maitre@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: Re: new and different wedding music?   > "Wir danken dir Gott, wir danken dir" - Bach Sinfonia to Cantata 29   Ahhhh, that's the one we're having! Thanks, Erik. I kept wanting to say = "Now Thank We All Our God," but I knew it wasn't St. Anne. I was close. :)   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:50:18 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/00 2:22:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   > am I the ONLY one who actually has the music for the "Sound Of Music" > wedding march??? Nah! But I took mine from the recording and play it from memory! This one's nice, but not worth getting arrested over. The only arrangement = I've seen (and not the same as yours) omitted the best part.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Organ removal from Vassar college From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:51:23 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/00 2:39:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > "The oboe is interesting...." > ----G. Donald Harrison "But there are some things that are MORE interesting." ---- Mrs. G. Donald Harrison   (!)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1461 - 06/15/00 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:57:51 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/00 8:22:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgregory@speeddial.net writes:   > After playing in the same church for many years, through many ministers, > many music committees, the church has finally asked me for help in = writing a > job description/contract. > > Any suggestions from members of the list would be appreciated.   How about:   I'm underpaid, and it sucks!   hehehehehehee (sorry, couldn't resist!)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism From: "J. R." <hookscar@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:21:11 CDT     > I wonder if anyone else on this list feels as I do. After reading = >all >the nasty and hateful posts on here the last few days, I am now >afraid = to >send any posts that have any kinds of beliefs or opinions in >them. I = find >all this disrespect of one another's beliefs, musical or >theological, >disturbing and completely uncalled-for...     Here, here!   One would swear that some respondents have run universities, headed nationally recognized organ companies, published tomes on tuning and music =   history, and led reform in the world's major religions. Funny thing, = turns out it's just the howling of lone voices in the desert. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:03:49 +0100       How about "There may be trouble ahead"??   Cheers,   Colin.  
(back) Subject: Re: Crown Imperial From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:34:50 PDT     >I see you're at your most unusual theoretical approaches again; ignoring >centuries of practical experience....   That's right! <grin> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: reeds and things From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:57:32 -0700   In England, "Full Swell To Reeds" is at LEAST as important as the Great principal chorus, if not more so ... that's what makes the "swoon" sound on those glorious cathedral choir recordings. Even the smallest village organ is apt to have a full-bodied Oboe in the Swell that can make itself felt when the box is opened and it's coupled to the Great.   In France, reedless organs don't EXIST, except maybe in practice rooms. They are the culmination of the very logical French register-crescendo, which begins with the "four fonds" in the Recit and climaxes with the reeds of the G.O. and Pedale.   I can't say a whole lot about German reeds, because I haven't heard a lot of good ones ... if the 16' Trombone in the Fritts-Richards in San Diego really does take after Schnitger, then it's a wonderful, dark sound reminiscent of a Johnson or Hook & Hastings wooden resonator trombone. And the Hauptwerk Trommet colors the ensemble without dominating it.   In this country, it is said that GDH made a mistake by building the "reedless Great"; actually, he made TWO mistakes ... very few (if any) of his organs of whatever size, including the monsters, have the all-important CHORUS reeds (Trumpet and Clarion) on the CHOIR or POSITIVE. Without them, it's virtually impossible to bridge the sonic "gap" between the Swell and Great in French music. Ditto the lack of an 8' principal in the Positive. Our Positives are probably the weakest element, as least as far as playing French music is concerned.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: reeds and things From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:02:13 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/00 2:57:17 PM Central Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << n this country, it is said that GDH made a mistake by building the "reedless Great"; actually, he made TWO mistakes ... very few (if any) of his organs of whatever size, including the monsters, have the all-important CHORUS reeds (Trumpet and Clarion) on the CHOIR or POSITIVE. Without them, it's virtually impossible to bridge the sonic "gap" between the Swell and Great in French music. Ditto the lack of an 8' principal in the Positive. Our Positives are probably the weakest element, as least as far as playing French music is concerned. >> Actually, the earlier 1935-mid '40's GDH organs were likely to have reeds = on the Great. I'm familiar with at least four examples where there was a 16 minor chorus reed; usually even before the 8'. The size of the organ had =   much to do with the disposition, of course. In the larger ones, the Bombarde was intended as a sort of "Grand Choeur" and a part of the Great. = I'd have to agree about the Positiv as a French division....it was far = from the complete organ of the French, being more of a "light, airy" sort of thing..... Kurt  
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:22:45 -0400   I've always wanted to do "The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba" as a wedding processional.   Evie  
(back) Subject: Re: new and different wedding music? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:13:47 -0500   I've always believed that "Bring in the clowns" is appropriate for seating the mothers-in-law, and "Abide with me, fast falls the evening tide" is = good for a processional. Funny - I don't do a lot of weddings, but have lots = of good ideas like those.   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: A forwarded message From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:51:24 -0400   JDC asked me to forward this concert announcement.   A concert performance on the Taylor and Boody Organ at the College of the Holy Cross, Worcester = MA will be presented by eight members of the International J.S. Bach Organ Academy at 7:30 p.m. June 22 in the St. Joseph Memorial Chapel at the college, One College St. Worcester. Organists from France, Switzerland, Russia, Canada and the United States who were selected for the academy through an application and audition process will perform on the award-winning, 52-foot high, 10-ton organ. The organ was built over a two-year period by a team of craftsmen in the tradition of 16th and 17th century Dutch and north German organs. George K. Taylor and John Boody led the project. For more information on the performance, which is free, call James David Christie at (508) 793-2284.   Judy Ollikkala, Worcester MA    
(back) Subject: new and different wedding music? From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:16 PDT   I did the "St. Anne" prelude once!   Roy Wilson   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Text for the List From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:17:59 -0500   Yes!!! Are you aware that Whittier originally wrote this hymn in protest = of a particularly obnoxious revival meeting that was going on nearby? Roy Redman   RMB10@aol.com wrote:   > Dear List-- > With all the debate about Happy Clappy vs. Traditional music, I offer = this > new hymn text, that was sent to me by one of my friends. > > Monty Bennett > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > DEAR LORD AND FATHER, sung to the tune "Rest" > > Dear Lord and Father of mankind, > Forgive our foolish ways: > For most of us, if asked our mind > Admit we still most pleasure find > In hymns of ancient days. > > The simple lyrics, for a start, > Of many a modern song, > Are far too trite to touch the heart, > Enshrine no poetry, no art, > And go on far too long. > > O, for a rest from jollity > And syncopated praise! > What happened to tranquillity? > The silence of eternity > Is hard to hear these days. > > Send Thy deep hush, subduing all > Those happy claps that drown > The tender whisper of Thy call: > Triumphalism is not all, > For sometimes we feel down. > > Drop Thy still dews of quietness > Till all our strivings cease; > Take from our souls the strain and stress > Of always having to be blessed. > Give us a bit of peace. > > Breathe through the beats of praise guitar > Thy coolness and thy balm. > Let drum be dumb, guitar be numb, > Bring back the lyre, wind and fire. > Let's hear it for some calm. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:28:17 -0400   Very well put - and, thank you. I'm with you all the way. Ed   ----- Original Message ----- From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: Professionalism     > Dear List, > > I wonder if anyone else on this list feels as I do. After reading = all > the nasty and hateful posts on here the last few days, I am now afraid = to > send any posts that have any kinds of beliefs or opinions in them. I = find all > this disrespect of one another's beliefs, musical or theological, disturbing > and completely uncalled-for. I think the majority of us are very talented, > educated, professional people with many different ideas and beliefs = about > music and the organ, all of which are worthy of hearing and respect. As > professionals, how can we say the things that have been said to each other... > I wonder? > > Shouldn't we be able to express ourselves and disagree with one another > without being uncouth, rude, vulgar, hateful or nasty? Isn't the = purpose of > a list such as this to provide a forum for the free exchange of information, > ideas, and opinions? Perhaps we need to recall Voltaire's words: "I = may > disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say > it." > > Where is the moderator of this group? People calling each other "Musical > W*ores" and other horrible things should not be condoned at all. I = feel it > demeans the professional musician and insults the intelligence of all of us. > How do the rest of you feel? > > Van > Vanpool > > Organist, FUMC > Bowie, Texas > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >