PipeChat Digest #1467 - Sunday, June 18, 2000 Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) by <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) by "Benjamin M. Baldus" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) by <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) by "Adrianne Schutt" <email@example.com> Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! by "Bob Elms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! by "Bob Scarborough" <email@example.com> Re: Sacramento "Jardine" by "william H. Evans" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) by "Roger Brown" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:27:49 EDT In a message dated 6/17/00 10:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << I really doubt that Jacobiekirche in Hamburg installed an AEolian-Skinner. I think you had better check you facts on this!! David >> As I said I heard it from the horses mouth - the organist at the time - Heintz Wunterlich - If you don't belive it why don't you check the facts and get back to me. = I'm all ears. Alan B.
(back) Subject: Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) From: "Benjamin M. Baldus" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:40:30 -0400 Dear List Members\ I was at the Jakobikirche, Hamburg in February 2000. They have Ahrend Jurgend's marvelous restoration of the famous Arp Schnitger instrument, = plus a 1960s organ by Emmanuel Kemper in a gallery adjacent to the Schnitger. = Kemper's work is not so fondly regarded as being the Wicks of Germany. They also = did some monstrously ill-informed restorations of 17th and 18th century = instruments that are only now being un-done. There is no Aeolian-Skinner there, KMD = Heinz Wunderlich notwithstanding. Ben Baldus David Scribner wrote: > At 10:02 PM -0400 6/17/00, TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote: > > One > >alternative is to preserve the old organ and put a modern organ in = another > >part of the sanctuary. This is what the Jacobiekirche in Hamburg did = when > >they restored the Schnitger in the gallery and put a big Aeolian = Skinner in > >the front (I may be wrong about this but I was told this by none other = than > >Heinz Wunterlich). > > I really doubt that Jacobiekirche in Hamburg installed an > AEolian-Skinner. I think you had better check you facts on this!! > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:01:11 EDT In a message dated 6/17/00 11:46:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@example.com writes: << There is no Aeolian-Skinner there, KMD Heinz Wunderlich notwithstanding. >> I just looked up the LP that Wunterlich autographed for me in 1977. It = seems like yesterday but ... nevermind, maybe he just wished it was an AS in = front as he got the German Wicks (sorry martin). My point remains the same - = they preserved the historic instrument in back and put a modern instrument in front. Gemutlichkeit. Alan B
(back) Subject: Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) From: "Adrianne Schutt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:53:45 -0700 At 08:11 PM 17/6/00 +0000, Bob Scarborough wrote: >He's not related to that OTHER organ grinder, Klaus Wunderlich, is he? Do I hear an offshoot of the legendary HamTack(tm) tacky .wav = wars appearing in #pipechat soon? ;-> Have fun! Ad ;->
(back) Subject: Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! From: "Bob Elms" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:57:45 +0800 Well, no reply from Ron Severin to my query but I guess near enough is = good enough for Ron and Bob Eams=3DBob Elms. But what an astonishing post from Ron! A dyed in the wool traditionalist = like me being accused of being responsible for the future ripping out of pipe = organs in churches? Rubbish! Here is the music list for my church for Sunday June 18th 10 a.m. The = organ is a pipe organ and the Choir is affiliated with the Royal School of Church = Music - nothing more traditional than that august body. WESLEY CHURCH ALBANY WEST AUSTRALIA PRELUDE: Fantasy on Veni Emmanuel (Statham) CHOIR INTROIT: Blessed are the pure in heart (Walford Davies) HYMN: Holy, holy holy (Nicea) CHOIR ANTHEM: A Prayer of St Richard of Chichester (White) CHORUS: (for the children) Father we adore Thee HYMN: Come Gracious Spirit (Galilee) OFFERTORY: Jesu mein Zuviersicht (J. S. Bach) HYMN: O breath of God come sweeping o'er us (Spiritus Vitae) LORD'S PRAYER (sung to Lees) HYMN: Filled with the Spirit's power (Woodlands) THREE FOLD AMEN POSTLUDE: Fugue in G minor (Charpentier) Preacher: Rev. A. Ward Organist and Choir Director Bob Elms. And oh yes!!!! I confess!! We have a contemporary service at 7 p.m. = tonight with all the clappy happy songs and attended by a small congregation of mixed denominations. Here we get to the nub of Ron's dig at me; I guess Ron = considers I am a traitor for helping out by playing keyboard in this service. Ron, I = enjoy it! Get your blinkers off and realize that not all Christians enjoy the same = kind of music. We have provided balance. Have we to suffer criticism for so doing? = Our choir and pipe organ are enjoyed by all who attend the traditional service = and that has been the situation since 1890. There is no sign of the enthusiasm abating. Incidentally I played for mass at the Catholic Church last night; all = folksy type music sung with little enthusiasm by a large congregation. BUT the organ = music was all traditional and the congregation tells me they enjoy it. Lesson for = our Catholic friends there? Bob Elms. Bob Elms wrote: > Who's Bob Eams? > Bob Elms. > > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Jim: > > People who defend this, are the very ones who'll scream the loudest = when > > their job goes south, and their precious organ is ripped from its = moorings > > on its way to the dump. Bob Eams and BRuhahahaha Desert Bob and the > > rest. To tolerate this deliberate erosion, also makes an organist's = position > > which is traditionally based, superfluous, eventually the pink slip. = It's > > your choice, choices are made everyday, some good, some bad, and > > some particularly stupid. I think it's stupid to undermine your only = reason > > for being, to play in church. > > > > Ron PS: Pink slip Ron? 98% of organists in this part of OZ are unpaid. They = play for the love of it and to support their church. Bob E.
(back) Subject: Re: Why failure is built into Happy Clappy! From: "Bob Scarborough" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:30:01 At 12:57 PM 6/18/2000 +0800, you wrote: >Lesson for our Catholic friends there?<snip> I was gonna say something here, but...nah...don't wanna OFFEND anyone out there, y'know! hehehehehehhee! DeserTBoB
(back) Subject: Re: Sacramento "Jardine" From: "william H. Evans" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:08:41 -0700 At 09:05 PM 6/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >I just read a previous message about a concert at St. Paul's Episcopal >Church, 15th St. Sacramento CA on a "Jardine" pipe organ. To set the >record straight, since I didn't see anyone else do this, that organ is a >William A. Johnson & Son Opus 503 dated 1877, 2 manuals, 17 ranks, = tracker, >unless that situation has changed since the OHS visited there in 1988. It For your information --- A small one manual Jardine has a temporary home at St.Pauls. Choir director Lee Lovallo restored the Jardine in his home workshop. Its a great sounding instrument. I attended a noon day concert at St.Pauls last month featuring The Johnson and the Jardine. You must hear it Bill
(back) Subject: Re: a 19th century organ - hypothetical questions (X-posted) From: "Roger Brown" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:54:43 +1000 Sunday, June 18, 2000, 4:04:31 AM, you wrote: qsrc> Suppose that one had access to an organ of the 1800s ... a fine qsrc> instrument, in good condition, but with the following: Bud this is a surprisingly common scenario down here in Oz - we have many English organs of this period - especially in our oldest state, New South = Wales. (one quite small town in NSW (Maitland) has no less than 9 instruments by = Henry Willis in various states of repair) Personally I've changed my views on this one through having the = opportunity hearing more of these instruments at first hand over recent years. As a practical church musician I'm no great fan of hitch down swell pedals = and odd compass pedal boards etc. So I understand exactly the thought behind = what you propose. But quite frankly the experience of hearing and playing such organs leads = to one inevitable conclusion - where these instruments are tampered with, he = character of the instrument seems to diminish SO much. And well and faithfully = restored, these instruments are wonderful - some of these builders seemed to be able = to extract SO much music from stop lists one might at first sight consider inadequate. These days I am very much on the side of strict restoration. -- Regards, Roger Roger Brown email@example.com http://rogerbrown.tripod.com