PipeChat Digest #1473 - Thursday, June 22, 2000
 
Re:
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re:
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
help!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
Walcker is kaputt
  by "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net>
RE: Walcker is kaputt
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Walcker is kaputt
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re:
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Quiet
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: [Music History Lesson]
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re:
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
wanted, ideas for organ
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re:
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Dizzy Hall
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:48:58 -0400     : >At 12:52 AM 6/21/2000 CDT, you wrote: > >It's awfully quiet, whasup?<snip>   >Desert Bob wrote in response.. >Shhhhhhhhhh...be vewwy, vewwy qwiet! We're huntin' WABBITS!   What, in the Desert !!   HD     >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:02:46 +0800   pppppppp!! dim pppppppppppppppppp.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 12:52 AM 6/21/2000 CDT, you wrote: > >It's awfully quiet, whasup?<snip> > > Shhhhhhhhhh...be vewwy, vewwy qwiet! We're huntin' WABBITS! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:52:38 -0500   Dear list,   I don't want to start any conjecturing but would like some straight facts; I heard a rumor that due to the need to install a handicap accessibility elevator some of the relay room space may be taken up by the elevator with possible detrimental effects. Do any list members know any more about = this?   John V      
(back) Subject: help! From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:37:54 -0500   Dear List,   I'm looking once again to transport some orphan resonators West from the NYC area.   I have 12+ R. Morton large scale 16' mitered tuba resonators including the chest to go to a new owner. Since they're hard to sell (the blocks are missing) There is not a lot of cash involved in the transfer. However, they make the marvellous beginning of an awesome Tuba and thus don't deserve being scrapped. All our proceeds go into volunteer organ projects.   We can't afford the usual shipping/moving carriers for the above reasons and are hoping someone can work with us to help transport these to the Buffalo, NY area?   Regards and thanks in advance,   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:52:04 EDT   HI John:   I have been meaning to get back to you to let you know that I have not =   forgotten about a visit to talk shop. Have you decided which way you will = go with the primary valves? I do not know what situation you are talking about concerning an = elevator going through a relay room and it would be interesting to know this! Paul  
(back) Subject: Walcker is kaputt From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:06:16 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BFDB70.B8371160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Established in 1781 by Eberhard Walcker in Cannstadt, then moving to =3D Ludwigsburg in 1820, the firm is now bankrupt, according to Hans Erich =3D Laukhuff: "...the company went bankrupt last Christmas or so. Now some = =3D people are trying to pick up some pieces to form a new company to =3D continue."=3D20   In their day they built some of the largest organs in the world, such as = =3D the Cathedral of Riga in Latvia, which had 124 stops. Their work was =3D known to Mendelssohn and they exported at least 200 organs to Britain. = =3D20   Richard Weber Milwaukee   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BFDB70.B8371160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Established in 1781 by Eberhard Walcker in =3D Cannstadt, then=3D20 moving to Ludwigsburg in 1820, the firm is now bankrupt, according to =3D Hans Erich=3D20 Laukhuff: "...the company went bankrupt last Christmas or so.&nbsp; Now = =3D some=3D20 people are trying to pick up some pieces to form a new company to =3D continue."=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>In their day they built some of the largest organs = =3D in the=3D20 world, such as the Cathedral of Riga in Latvia, which had 124 =3D stops.&nbsp; Their=3D20 work was known to Mendelssohn and they exported at least 200 organs = to=3D20 Britain.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Richard Weber</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Milwaukee</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0017_01BFDB70.B8371160--    
(back) Subject: RE: Walcker is kaputt From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:01:07 -0500   Not to mention the Boston Music Hall.... Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Weber, Richard [mailto:rweber@aero.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:06 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Walcker is kaputt     Established in 1781 by Eberhard Walcker in Cannstadt, then moving to Ludwigsburg in 1820, the firm is now bankrupt, according to Hans Erich Laukhuff: "...the company went bankrupt last Christmas or so. Now some people are trying to pick up some pieces to form a new company to = continue."   In their day they built some of the largest organs in the world, such as = the Cathedral of Riga in Latvia, which had 124 stops. Their work was known to Mendelssohn and they exported at least 200 organs to Britain. Richard Weber Milwaukee    
(back) Subject: Re: Walcker is kaputt From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:06:30 -0400   Is that the Walcker company from Klein Blittersdorf, Germany?   Alan   > From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> > Subject: RE: Walcker is kaputt > > Subject: Walcker is kaputt    
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:05:06   At 07:48 AM 6/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >What, in the Desert !!<snip>   Yes, in point of fact...the desert is LOADED with rabbits of various = types....   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Quiet From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:58:50 -0400 (EDT)   I was wondering the same thing. Wabbits, huh?   >It's awfully quiet, whasup?< =A0=A0    
(back) Subject: Re: [Music History Lesson] From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:45:50 -0500   > > > Handel and J. C. Bach were in a stagecoach traveling > > > together, but didn't know who the other was and too > > > absorbed in writing music to introduce themselves. The > > > trip progressed quietly until Handel farted. There was > > > a long pause during which only the clip-clop of the > > > horses hooves was heard. Finally Bach looked over the > > > top of his glasses and said, "That was a B flat!" > > > "No," rejoined Handel, "it as an A natural!"   I thought sure the end of this was going to have something to do with the fact that Bach's perfect pitch was A=3D415 and Handel's was A=3D435. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com The Theatre Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com/theatre    
(back) Subject: Re: From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:24:52 -0400   > > Yes, in point of fact...the desert is LOADED with rabbits of various types.... >   I thought y'all only had jackalopes out there. ;)   TommyLee    
(back) Subject: wanted, ideas for organ From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:49:43 -0500   I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing in my church that seats about 300 people. I have 5 stop tabs (SAMS) available for additions. All the pipes are under expression. We at the church would like to have facade pipes that are functional. The 2 spaces available (shutter width) are 5' 2" wide. available height is enough for a 8' open. (shutters are mirror image on each side of the Altar) I am looking for ideas on what voices to use in the facade, also what voices to add using the stop tabs that would remain. (The organ chambers are limited in space.) I don't have to use all the tabs now, however I am at least looking for ideas for use in the facade. Answer privately if you like. Thank you in advance. Luther lmelby@prtel.com   Moller Organ #4684 made in 1926 GREAT: Open diapason 8` Melodia 8` Doppell floete 8' Gamba 8` Dulciana 8` Principle 4` Flute 4` Dulciana 4` Tremulant Swell to great 16` Swell to great Swell to great 4` Great 16` Great 4`   SWELL: Bourdon 16` Open diapason 8` Stopped diapason 8` Salicional 8` Vox celeste 8` Aeoline 8` Orch. Flute 4` Salicet 4` Quint 2 2/3` Flautina 2` Oboe 8` Vox humana 8` Tremulant Swell 16` Swell unison separat`n Swell 4=92   PEDAL: Bourdon 16` Lieblich 16` Violone cello 16' (added now) Flute 8` Violon cello 8=92 Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal      
(back) Subject: Re: From: "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:19:05 -0700   At 07:24 7:24 PM 6/21/00 , you wrote: > > > > Yes, in point of fact...the desert is LOADED with rabbits of various >types.... > > > >I thought y'all only had jackalopes out there. ;) > >TommyLee   Did ya' ever eat a tough, old Jack?? I have .. gack!! :-)) (Jackalopes are Texan .. ain't they?? ;)   ~Ron Yost ... prefers wabbits of the Bugs Bunny variety. Paso Robles, Calif.    
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:47:20 -0700   Where are you located?   Luther Melby wrote:   > I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing > in my church that seats about 300 people.    
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:23:34 -0500   I am located in west central Minnesota, town of Dalton, home of the lake region pioneer steam threshers show. area of good land, clean lakes, & nice people Luther   Blaine Ricketts wrote:<   >Where are you located? > >Luther Melby wrote: > >> I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing >> in my church that seats about 300 people. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:55:26 EDT   In a message dated 6/21/00 10:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 lmelby@prtel.com writes:     > I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing > in my church that seats about 300 people. > I have 5 stop tabs (SAMS) available for additions. > All the pipes are under expression. We at the church > would like to have facade pipes that are functional. > The 2 spaces available (shutter width) are 5' 2" wide. > available height is enough for a 8' open. > (shutters are mirror image on each side of the Altar) > I am looking for ideas on what voices to use in the facade, > also what voices to add using the stop tabs that would remain. > (The organ chambers are limited in space.) > I don't have to use all the tabs now, however I am at least > looking for ideas for use in the facade.   A couple of questions before we continue. Are the manual stops straight??=20= =20 It appears that the Dulciana is unified at 8 and 4. What about the=20 Diapason and Flute?   For matching facades, I would suggest pairing the Diapason 8 (new) with a=20 Diapason 8 or (preferably) and open flute 8 of similar (matching appearance)= =20 scale.=20   I think you need a Diapason chorus of 8 4 2-2/3 2 and a mixture. For your= =20 fifth stop, perhaps a Trumpet for the Great.   It would be possible to have a "floating" Great using the five extra tabs,=20 and leaving the rest of the organ in its original configuration.   I would like to be more specific, but need to know what ranks of the present= =20 organ are unified and which are not.   Moller Organ #4684 made in 1926 GREAT: Open diapason 8` Melodia 8` Doppell floete 8' Gamba 8` Dulciana 8` Principal 4` Flute 4` Dulciana 4`   Tremulant Swell to great 16` Swell to great Swell to great 4` Great 16` Great 4` =20 SWELL: Bourdon 16` Open diapason 8` Stopped diapason 8` Salicional 8` Vox celeste 8` Aeoline 8` Orch. Flute 4` Salicet 4` Quint 2 2/3` Flautina 2` Oboe 8` Vox humana 8` Tremulant Swell 16` Swell unison separat`n Swell 4=E2=80=99 =20 PEDAL: Bourdon 16` Lieblich 16` Violone cello 16' (added now) Flute 8` Violon cello 8=E2=80=99 Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal =20 =20 =20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > =20 > =20 > =20 > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: <.pipechat@pipechat.org> > Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]= )=20 > by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:56:06=20 -0400 > Received: from pipechat.org (lists.pensacola-ago.org [206.105.52.100]) b= y=20 > rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:56:04 2000 > Received: from prtel.com by pipechat.org with SMTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 > 21:55:35 -0500 > Message-ID: <006e01bfdbf4$880fc020$5d600ace@lutherme> > From: "Luther Melby" <.lmelby@prtel.com> > To: "Pipe Chat" <.pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: wanted, ideas for organ=20 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:49:43 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by fergus.prtel.com i= d > UAA22489 > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <.pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sender: <.pipechat@pipechat.org> > Precedence: Bulk > List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc. > List-Subscribe: <.mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <.mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <.mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > =20 > =20     Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:41:18 -0700   About all you have room for with that width would be to tube off the Great 8' Open and divide it to make a C and C# facade, but I don't know if the tube run would be too far to the Swell side ... they might speak slower.   On the other hand, if you could afford a one-rank split chest, then you could bring the Great 8' Open out of the chamber and off the main chest, divide it in front of the openings, push everything on the Great chest forward one row, and you'd have room for a trumpet on the Great. That might require some re-racking. AND, you might have to calm the Open down a bit ... if it was voiced to be in the chamber originally.   Actually, given the date it was built, and the stop-list, I'm surprised there isn't a Cornopean in the Swell.   Unless you have to play a lot of "prayin' music", I'd toss the Swell Aeoline, and replace it with a Tierce, or have it cut down and made into a Tierce. Likewise, if the Great 4' Octave is from the 8' Open, I'd toss the Dulciana and put in a 4'-2' Principal unit ... or even 2'-1', if you can live with the 4' Octave as is ... that would probably fit without having to modify the rack-board. In a church seating 300, you need a LITTLE bit more brightness.   Additions, if you have the room:   A LOW-PITCHED mixture somewhere ... (probably in the Great)   A big fat romantic Clarinet in the Great ... and if you have the Trumpet also, make the Clarinet at 16' ... that's a NICE sound, and you can always play it up an octave.   Or, put in one of those compact Moller unit Trumpets on a new unit chest at 16-8-4 and take it down to the Pedal as well.   Given your space limitations, the Pedal is going to have to depend on borrows from the manuals ... there's no help for it.   Sounds like a fun organ ... I like Mollers of that vintage (grin).   Cheers,   Bud       Luther Melby wrote:   > I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing > in my church that seats about 300 people. > I have 5 stop tabs (SAMS) available for additions. > All the pipes are under expression. We at the church > would like to have facade pipes that are functional. > The 2 spaces available (shutter width) are 5' 2" wide. > available height is enough for a 8' open. > (shutters are mirror image on each side of the Altar) > I am looking for ideas on what voices to use in the facade, > also what voices to add using the stop tabs that would remain. > (The organ chambers are limited in space.) > I don't have to use all the tabs now, however I am at least > looking for ideas for use in the facade. > Answer privately if you like. Thank you in advance. > Luther lmelby@prtel.com > > Moller Organ #4684 made in 1926 > GREAT: > Open diapason 8` > Melodia 8` > Doppell floete 8' > Gamba 8` > Dulciana 8` > Principle 4` > Flute 4` > Dulciana 4` > Tremulant > Swell to great 16` > Swell to great > Swell to great 4` > Great 16` > Great 4` > > SWELL: > Bourdon 16` > Open diapason 8` > Stopped diapason 8` > Salicional 8` > Vox celeste 8` > Aeoline 8` > Orch. Flute 4` > Salicet 4` > Quint 2 2/3` > Flautina 2` > Oboe 8` > Vox humana 8` > Tremulant > Swell 16` > Swell unison separat`n > Swell 4=92 > > PEDAL: > Bourdon 16` > Lieblich 16` > Violone cello 16' (added now) > Flute 8` > Violon cello 8=92 > Great to Pedal > Swell to Pedal > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Dizzy Hall From: <p.wilson2@juno.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:39:01 -0700   One more time:   The Walt Disney Company is NOT installing the organ. The Walt Disney Company did NOT design the organ, or the concert hall, or participate in its design in any way. The only connection - not a minor one, by any means - is that Lillian Disney (Walt's widow), and Roy Disney (Walt's brother) and other members of the Disney family, have provided most of the money to build the hall.   The design of the Disney Concert Hall is ENTIRELY the work of Frank O.Gehry & Partners. For more information, visit the concert hall's Web site at   www:disneyhall.org.   If there is a certain amount of the Disney "wimsey" is the design of the hall, it's probably because of the qualities of Gehry's architecture.   And qwitcherbellyakin, until you see - and hear - what the finished product looks and sounds like!   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com     On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:20:55 -0500 Russ Greene <rggreene2@home.com> writes: > How wonderful that an organization like Disney has seen fit not only > to install a sizeable pipe organ   **snip** > Russ Greene > Pipe organ lover for over 40 years > Visual designer for almost as long > > ------- > > On 6/6/00 6:35 PM, SProt82850@cs.com wrote: > > > Greetings pipechat list! > > > > My understanding of the Disney disaster (and you thought the > Titanic was > > something!)   **snip**   > > Steven > > (humble) visual designer for Reuter (and trying hard...)