PipeChat Digest #1474 - Friday, June 23, 2000
 
Re: wanted, ideas for organ
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ, more info
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Theatre organist needed to play for kids!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids!
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids!
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Dizzy Hall
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids!
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Worcester Fire
  by "willh" <willh@cfl.rr.com>
Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: wanted, ideas for organ, more info
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
stories in glass VII:  Recital GnvFL
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:36:59 EDT   In a message dated 6/22/00 1:57:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << I have a Moller organ (stop list below) that I am installing > in my church that seats about 300 people. > I have 5 stop tabs (SAMS) available for additions. >>   This is what I would do: Get a nice 8' Open, either polish it or paint it, build chests and put it = in the facade as an independent pedal stop. I don't know if you are the organist, builder, or an amateur helping out the church but good used pipework is fairly easy to find and the facade chests shouldn't cost a fortune if you get the right builder. This will be a lot easier than = running tubes everywhere.   Good luck: Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:11:11 -0500   >HI John: > > I have been meaning to get back to you to let you know that I have = not >forgotten about a visit to talk shop. Have you decided which way you = will go >with the primary valves? > I do not know what situation you are talking about concerning an = elevator >going through a relay room and it would be interesting to know this! = Paul   Hi!   Thanks for the reply. Apparently no none else knows about AC either, as no one picked up the thread. We'll see.   Those valves are really a quandry! As it turns out _ Wurlitzer has TWO types of bottom boards, the first is what we have with the valve cavity being 1/2" deep so the spool needs to = be less than that width, and the other type is 5/8" deep and that is where they use the nut-disk-washer-nut-nut-washer-disk-nut combination - which incidentally DOES NOT FIT in the 1/2" cavity! We did not realize that = until after we ordered 600 sets of that combination. Now as a compromise we are seeing if the combination nut-disk-washer-SINGLE NUT-washer-disk-nut will work in a single Kinura chest we are redoing for the Bardavon. It looks tight. How come no one = ever picked up on those differences? Is it rare?   I think I'll post it to the list, also.   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ, more info From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:02:10 -0500   Here is some more information that was requested; The unified stops are done with lead tubes inside of the pitman chests, except for the bourdon unit which has separate EP chests. see list below. I plan to make the chests for the facade with electric action. I am limited in funds so I plan to buy used pipes and paint them. I can use more wall space if needed to the outside of the shutters, but the ceiling will not allow room for 8' open. thanks for all the ideas that are coming in. Luther lmelby@prtel.com   Moller Organ #4684 made in 1926 GREAT: Open diapason 8` (pitman chest) Melodia 8` (pitman chest) Doppell floete 8' (pitman chest) Gamba 8` (pitman chest) Dulciana 8` (pitman chest) Principle 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest) Flute 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest) Dulciana 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest) Tremulant Swell to great 16` Swell to great Swell to great 4` Great 16` Great 4`   SWELL: Bourdon 16` (separate chest, bourdon unit) Open diapason 8` (pitman chest) Stopped diapason 8` (bourdon unit) Salicional 8` (pitman chest) Vox celeste 8` (starts at 4') Aeoline 8` (pitman chest) Orch. Flute 4` (bourdon unit) Salicet 4` (from the salicional 8' coupled in pitman chest) Quint 2 2/3` (bourdon unit) Flautina 2` (bourdon unit) Oboe 8` (pitman chest) Vox humana 8` (vox in box) Tremulant Swell 16` Swell unison separat`n Swell 4=92   PEDAL: Bourdon 16` (from the swell bourdon unit) Lieblich 16` (pedal unit, in great chamber) Violone cello 16' (added now, in great chamber 12 pipes, will add lower octave to violon cello) Flute 8` (pedal unit, in great chamber) Violon cello 8=92 (from the great pitman chest, gamba 8') Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal          
(back) Subject: Theatre organist needed to play for kids! From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:02:20 -0500   Dear list,   We have a request from a local church to have a group of inner-city kids (age range 6 - 12) do a short tour of our local Bardavon 1869 Opera House theater with a a demo/open console of the II-9 Wurlitzer. Problem is that our regular organists are not available!   We had planned a demo of the Wurli, how it differs from "straight" organs and then some music kids can relate to. Ball Park music, cartoons, Sesame Street, etc. including a 10 minute clip from "Gold Rush" just to give them the feel of a silent movie.   The date is very open: between July 5th and Aug. 11 most any weekday at 2 = pm.   We need someone who can relate to kids and is comfortable with demonstrating a lot of the bells and whistles in a musical manner. In = other words: a lot of variety and exploration of the resources. The kids should have an opportunity to try out the organ as well.   There is a small stipend for the artist.   If you are interested and good at this sort of demo, and are capable of being in our area (Poughkeepsie, NY) during that time, please email me privately for further details.   THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MUSICAL CONNECTION WITH KIDS AT THEIR MOST IMPRESSIONABLE AGE!!   John Vanderlee      
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids! From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:19:13 PDT     John, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity! Give them a little variety = of music, though, besides just sesame street. Some transcriptions of classic =   ragtime and other upbeat stuff should work too. Mixed bag, show off the versatility. NO RELIGIOUS MUSIC.   Let us know how it turns out. When they grow up they will be the ones sipping their lattes in one of those organ-equipped coffee shops. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids! From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:50:07 -0500   >John, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity! Give them a little variety = of >music, though, besides just sesame street. Some transcriptions of = classic >ragtime and other upbeat stuff should work too. Mixed bag, show off the >versatility. NO RELIGIOUS MUSIC. > >Let us know how it turns out. When they grow up they will be the ones >sipping their lattes in one of those organ-equipped coffee shops.   You're right. The kid's stuff would be good point of departure. I'll post the results.   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids! From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:53 -0700   At 11:19 AM 22/6/00 -0700, Dave G. wrote: >Give them a little variety of music, though, besides just sesame >street. Some transcriptions of classic ragtime and other upbeat stuff >should work too. Mixed bag, show off the versatility. NO RELIGIOUS = MUSIC. I'd agree that religious music *in the traditional styles* might be a no-no if you want to recruit kids....but you never know when a non-traditional version will grab the youngsters. A year or two ago All Saints (one of those "girl power" pop groups) had a big hit with a slightly reworked version of Amazing Grace they called Never Ever. Not bad, actually...but I'm not sure it'd fly on = a Wurli. ;)   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: Dizzy Hall From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:43:45   At 01:39 AM 6/22/2000 -0700, you wrote: >And qwitcherbellyakin, until you see - and hear - what the finished >product looks and sounds like!<snip>   Rather to correct obvious design flaws in the pre-construction phase than be saddled with a bow-wow.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre organist needed to play for kids! From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:15:16   At 11:19 AM 6/22/2000 PDT, you wrote: >When they grow up they will be the ones >sipping their lattes<snip>   Yuk...overpriced yuppie coffee.   Cleanse America of yups and geeks! Run over a Starbuck's near = you...today!   dB  
(back) Subject: Worcester Fire From: "willh" <willh@cfl.rr.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:17:45 -0400     Just in case anyone is interested here's a link to pictures = and info about the fire that occurred last Saturday at First Unitarian Church = in Worcester, MA.   http://www.bershad.com/firstu/fire.html     Sincerely,   Will Scarboro        
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:17:42 EDT   I still don't know what organ you are talking about, John! Paul C.  
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:09:10 EDT   The organ that John is talking about is the Kimball organ in the ball room = of the Atlantic City,NJ convention hall. This is not the 455 rank Midmer Losh = in the main room but is a smaller (70 ranks?) concert/theatre style organ in = a smaller (probably seats at least 2000) room.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: wanted, ideas for organ, more info From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:26:54 EDT   In a message dated 6/22/00 11:06:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 lmelby@prtel.com writes:   << I plan to make the chests for the facade with electric action. I am limited in funds so I plan to buy used pipes and paint them. I can use more wall space if needed to the outside of the shutters, but the ceiling will not allow room for 8' open. thanks for all the ideas that are coming in.>> From the description below, I would suggest moving the present 8 Open=20 Diapason to the facade, if there is enough height outside of the shutters =20 (the 8 Diapason could/should be used as the facade, preferably as a pipe=20 fence using the tallest pipes, and placing the trebles behind). =20 The facade chest could be made to accommodate the 4, 2-2/3 and 2 as well. =20 These four stops could be played from the spare tabs, and the fifth tab used= =20 for a mixture. The mixture could be placed on a new toeboard on the presen= t=20 8 Open Diapason chest location. This would allow the Great Diapason chorus= =20 to be controlled from on place without having to make changes in the console= =20 layout (I presume). Another possibility would be to provide space for a=20 mixture on the new chest, provided there is room for access to tune. In=20 this case, you would have room to add an independent 4' flute, or a reed.   On the opposite side, the facade opening could be composed of pipes for an=20 Octave 8 for the Pedal division.=20   Since you are not lavishly funded (!) for this project, you might consider=20 purchasing some old string/dulciana pipes and cutting them down to serve as=20 the 4 Principal, 2-2/3 Twelfth, and 2 Fifteenth. I have heard examples of=20 this which have worked extremely well.=20   Although, I personally like AEoline stops, if you do not use this, it can be= =20 cut down to provide a 4 Principal for the Swell. This would make a great=20 difference in the tonality of the Swell.   I really would not advise making any other tonal changes to the instrument,=20 especially the 8 Open Diapason in the Swell. You are very lucky to have thi= s.   The 8 Open Diapson from the Great, if used in the facade, could be easily=20 spruced-up with a bath and new tuning collars. If it is a slotted rank, I=20 would suggest trimming the slots which would improve the sound as well as th= e=20 appearance (IMHO). If you want to paint the facade, I would suggest a=20 neutral color with nice stencilling, rather than gold or silver. Perhaps,=20 you could find tuning collars that could also be painted as well,=20 incorporating this into the design.   Please keep us posted, as your project proceeds. =20     =20   Moller Organ #4684 made in 1926 GREAT: Open diapason 8` (pitman chest) Melodia 8` (pitman chest) Doppell floete 8' (pitman chest) Gamba 8` (pitman chest) Dulciana 8` (pitman chest) Principle 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest)=20 Flute 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest) Dulciana 4` (from the 8' in pitman chest) Tremulant Swell to great 16` Swell to great Swell to great 4` Great 16` Great 4` =20 SWELL: Bourdon 16` (separate chest, bourdon unit) Open diapason 8` (pitman chest) Stopped diapason 8` (bourdon unit) Salicional 8` (pitman chest) Vox celeste 8` (starts at 4') Aeoline 8` (pitman chest) Orch. Flute 4` (bourdon unit) Salicet 4` (from the salicional 8' coupled in pitman chest) Quint 2 2/3` (bourdon unit) Flautina 2` (bourdon unit) Oboe 8` (pitman chest) Vox humana 8` (vox in box) Tremulant Swell 16` Swell unison separat`n Swell 4=E2=80=99 =20 PEDAL: Bourdon 16` (from the swell bourdon unit) Lieblich 16` (pedal unit, in great chamber) Violone cello 16' (added now, in great chamber 12 pipes, will add lower octave to violon cello) Flute 8` (pedal unit, in great chamber) Violon cello 8=E2=80=99 (from the great pitman chest, gamba 8') Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal =20 =20 =20 =20     Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 22-Jun-100 Re: ACCH Ballroom Organ by = TRACKELECT@cs.com > The organ that John is talking about is the Kimball organ in the ball room of > the Atlantic City,NJ convention hall. This is not the 455 rank Midmer Losh in > the main room but is a smaller (70 ranks?) concert/theatre style organ = in a > smaller (probably seats at least 2000) room. >   The above distinction is correct, save to say that the Kimball has 55 ranks, not 70.   [If the following has already been aired, sorry:]   But the original post of this thread asked about a relay room being removed, and that is a matter of the Midmer-Losh, not the Kimball. According to "The Grand Ophicleide" (Vol. 2, #1), the relay room for the left-side divisions, located beneath the balcony seats at front left, will disappear along with the balcony itself, to be replaced by a new balcony structure as part of the renovations. The relays have been carefully removed and stored, and "although it may be possible to relocate the relay room on the main floor of the Left Stage chamber, in front of the 32-foot metal, some of the smaller pipes in this area will need to be moved first." (ibid, p.14). Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: stories in glass VII: Recital GnvFL From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:17:45 EDT   =20 Stories in Glass VII HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH -- Gainesville, Fl 25 June 2000 ~ ~ Four o=E2=80=99clock pm The Ascension Window and The Phoenix Transom =20 The Program =20 Prelude (from Twelve Pieces) . . . Theodore Dubois (1827-1924) H: Praestant, Roerfluit 8; Octaaf, Nachthoorn 4 + Z R: Gedekt 8,=20 Spitsfluit 4 + Z=20 Z: Gemshoorn, Holpijp, Salicional 8; Praestant, Koppelfluit 4 P:=20 Praestant 16, Octaafbas + Z =20 =20 Fairest Lord Jesus . . . James Woodman I. H: Bourdon 16 (played an octave higher) II. H: Bourdon 16, Nachthoorn 4=20 III. Z: Gemshoorn 8, Koppelfluit 4 =20 IV. Z: Holpijp 8 H: Roerfluit 8 V. H: Praestant 8 + Z Z: Salicional, Celeste 8 P: Praestant 16 + H, Z =20 =20 Liturgical Improvisation I . . . George Oldroyd (1886-1951) "My soul hath a desire and longing to enter into the courts of the Lord....= " Z: Gemshoorn, Holpijp, Salicional 8; Praestant, Koppelfluit 4=20 H: Praestant, Roerfluit 8 + Z R: Spitsfluit 4, Krumhoorn 8 P:=20 Praestant 16, Octaafbas + Z =20 =20 "Come Holy Ghost, Lord God" . . . Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) R: Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, Nazard 2-2/3, Superoctaaf 2 H: Roerfluit 8,=20 Octaaf 4, Woudfluit 2=20 Z: Holpijp 8, Praestant 4 P: Praestant 16, Octaaf 8, Koralbas 4=20 =20 =20 Folk Tune . . . Charles Callahan (b. 1951) R: Spitzfluit 4, Tremulant Z: Gemshoorn 8 H: Praestant 8 P:=20 Praestant 16 + Z =20 =20 Chorale in a-minor . . . Cesar Franck (1822-1890) Z: Gemshoorn, Salicional 8; Praestant, Koppelfluit 4; (Fagot 16, Trompet 8) P: Subbas 32, Praestant 16, Octaaf 8 + Z H: Nachthoorn 4 + Z; Z: Holpijp 8, Koppelfluit 4; P: Praestant 16 + Z Z: Gemshoorn, Salicional, Holpijp 8; Praestant 4=20 R: Praestant 8, Octaaf 4 + Z=20 H: Praestant 8, Octaaf 4 + Z, R P: Praestant 16, Octaaf 8 + R=20 =20 Rubrics (A Liturgical Suite in Five Movements) . . . Dan Locklair "The peace may be exchanged" H: Roerfluit 8 Z: Gemshoorn 8, Tremulant P: Gedekt 8 =20 The Chrysanthemums . . . Scot Joplin (1868-1917) Z: Holpijp, Salicional 8; Koppelfluit 4 H: Praestant 8 + Z R: Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 P: Praestant 16, Octaaf 8 + Z Z: Holpijp, Salicional 8; Koppelfluit 4, Octaaf 2, Fagot 16, (- Trompet= =20 8) H: Praestant 8, Nachthoorn 4 + Z R: Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 P:=20 Praestant 16 + Z =20 Second Arabesque . . . Claude Debussy (1862-1918) H: Roerfluit 8 Z: Salicional, Celeste 8 R: Spitsfluit 4 P:=20 Praestant 16 + Z   Note: If anyone has biographical information on James Woodman or Dan=20 Locklair, I would greatly appreciate the information.     Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502