PipeChat Digest #1481 - Thursday, June 29, 2000
 
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: stable music in a draft (was: Delete)
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: stable music in a draft (was: Delete)
  by "Greg Corbett" <corbettg@theatreorgans.com>
Re: composers' dates
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Reading glasses, reduced scores and cue cards
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reducing music vs turning pages
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reducing music vs turning pages
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Reducing music vs turning pages
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: The Simpsons' Best
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
The fade out (was Reducing music)
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: The fade out (was Reducing music)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....
  by "Sam Vause \(@Home\)" <vause@home.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:03:18 -0500   There's also laser surgery for many if you have $4000 or so. I haven't = been brave enough to do this yet, but the day will come . . . .   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: Cheryl C Hart <info@copemanhart.co.uk>   > I can recommend the combination of contact lenses for distance plus reading > glasses for close work: it was a real joy to get rid of my varifocals = (I et al.      
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:59:48 -0500   Better yet - you can buy 3M glue sticks that allow you to peel back off = the glued page later and restick it. This is the best invention since white bread - I use it when arranging complicated church bulletins, and for arranging reduced pages on a manila folder until I get the arrangement I want. I just reduced and arranged a movement of a Beethoven sonata for piano to prevent page-turning (because my book is so old that I have = already ripped a page while turning), and don't like the page arrangement - I can just peel the pages off and try again! It's more fun than paper-dolls.   Glenda Sutton     ---- Original Message -----   At 09:11 PM 6/27/00 -0400, Ron Severin wrote: I also reprint my music so I can see it on Sunday. I slightly reduce the size and mount it on hard board, as the A/C sometimes blows whole scores away. I've used paper clips and book edges for years to tame the wind, now I = just scotch tape it and it doesn't blow away.   To which Evie replied:   > What you need are binder clips, the little black thingies with prongs on > hinges that allow you to open them when removing them. They come in 3 > sizes for a moderate sum at Office Depot, but I have a collection I got for > free in connection with some legal research I do on the side. There are > also larger clamps, and the organist at St. Thomas's, Dupont Circle, has = a > couple of those to deal with the A/C draft.        
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:14:04 -0400   Charles, I agree with Bob and Ron. Get a better ophthalmologist and lensmaker. Require that they work with your needs. When I got my first bifocals, years ago, I thought I'd never adjust to stepping off a curb, = but it finally worked. I had insisted that I had to be able to read the altar missal when presiding, and sermon notes in the pulpit, and work at a computer keyboard. There are still some things unsolved: reading labels = on a high supermarket shelf, or reading book titles on a high shelf at the library. And definitely, an organist has a tough set of visual requirements. But 95 percent of the time, things work out OK.   Alan   > From: "Charles E. Peery" <cpeery19@idt.net> > Subject: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... > > I've arrived at that bifocal age. I can see the restaurant, but not the > menu. I can see the harp music, but not the upper strings by my right = ear > when I turn my head to look at them. When I explained in detail what I    
(back) Subject: RE: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:33:05 -0500   The price is down to $759 per eye in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We'll do = a crawl after surgery....   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Glenda [mailto:gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:03 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses....     There's also laser surgery for many if you have $4000 or so. I haven't = been brave enough to do this yet, but the day will come . . . .   Glenda Sutton    
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:51:07 +0800   Lens implants cost nothing in these parts. Done by a specalist eye = surgeon. Onl cost is his fee for visits before and after and most of that is retrieved = from our medical fund. Bob. E.   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > The price is down to $759 per eye in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We'll = do a > crawl after surgery.... > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenda [mailto:gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:03 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... > > There's also laser surgery for many if you have $4000 or so. I haven't = been > brave enough to do this yet, but the day will come . . . . > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: stable music in a draft (was: Delete) From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:17:47 -0400       Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote: > > Clothes pins work in a pinch. A bit unsightly, but hey, one does what > one must. >   I inheritted from my grandfather (a trumpeter) many years ago a set of music clips that essentially looked like long clothespins with one side made out of clear plastic so it could be clipped accross a book.   I've never seen them for sale. Anybody know where you can get these?  
(back) Subject: Re: stable music in a draft (was: Delete) From: "Greg Corbett" <corbettg@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:54:31 -0700   You could try:   http://www.clubcyrus.com/hickeys/pages/mustand.htm transparent music clip http://www.schoolmusic.com/accessories/index.asp?cat=3D80 " " " http://www.friendshiphouse.com/774tm.html " " "     If one really wished to, they could always make one, another option is a wind shield, a clear plate of plastic . . .page turning is not an option with this though.    
(back) Subject: Re: composers' dates From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT)   >I'm a bit fuzzy on Charles Callahan's dates, but I can tell you that in = the >mid 80's he was the incumbent in the parish where I'm singing thee days, >Church of the Epiphany in downtown DC. I think he was between Garnell >Copeland (RIP+) and James Buonemani. I met him just after he left >Epiphany, when he was supplying for St. Paul's during Marcus Ritchie's >final months. He is a prolific composer of useful organ music -- stuff = you >can practically sightread, based on seasonal hymns, including a few >post-Vatican II songs such as "On Eagle's Wings." >   Thanks for the information on Callahan. I believe, however, that Michael Joncas is credited with having written "On Eagle's Wings."   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu author of DELIA WEBSTER AND THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD (University Press of Kentucky, 1996) Now available in paperback--check it out at Amazon.com!      
(back) Subject: Re: Reading glasses, reduced scores and cue cards From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:09:37 EDT   In a message dated 6/27/00 8:12:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   << Bye - I'm going to figure out how to cook a diabetic dinner. >> Easy! Two minutes in the average microwave!!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Reducing music vs turning pages From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:17:39 EDT   In a message dated 6/27/00 11:31:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, royjaneann@hotmail.com writes:   << Yes, turning pages is too hard. The counterpoint in a fugue is lost if =   notes are left out while turning pages. >> Not if you just hold the notes with one hand in suspended animation while turning the page. I actually heard an organist do this as a wedding!! = Her other "performance secret" that I'll pass along, was holding the final =   chord of a piece until the complete one had been removed and the new one placed on the rack! Kool!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Reducing music vs turning pages From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:35:06 -0400 (EDT)   >>just hold the notes with one hand in suspended animation while turning the page...and...holding the final chord of a piece until the complete one had been removed and the new one placed on the rack!<<   Bruce, I just about fell out of the chair laughing at this, but there are a bazillion folks that do just this. I've heard them.   This ranks right up there with the other tried and true hymn-playing technique: On the final chord of a hymn (especially a loud one), immediately diminuendo with the crescendo pedal to a barely audible level, still holding the chord of course, while folks are noisily attempting to put away hymn-books into those pew-back racks. It's so revernd, you know.   Cheers, Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Reducing music vs turning pages From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:15:50 -0700   There was a whole generation of otherwise good organists who did just = that, even in recital. The late Wayne Fisher, sometime head of the organ dept. = at Cincinnati, refused to have a page-turner ... he held the chord, turned = the page, and went on.   Now, the fade-out on the "Amen" or the final chord of a hymn is something else ... *I* was taught to do THAT by some FINE service-players who were descended from T. Tertius Noble and the English cathedral tradition. The = Fox did it regularly at Riverside, but he went them one better. He'd release each note of the chord, starting with the soprano and ending with the = pedal, WHILE the decrescendo was going on. Riverside at that time had rather poor acoustics, and it made a fair imitation of what a chord would do when released in a building like St. John the Divine. I don't carry it THAT = far, but I DO do the decrescendo. Most of the time.   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - I also improvise under the monotoning of the Creed and Lord's = Prayer at Mattins and Evensong ... had to write it OUT for my sub. Chords go DOWN for "he descended into hell"; chords go UP for "he ascended into heaven", etc., just like it's notated in the Chant and Service Book of 1898 (grin).   Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote:   > >>just hold the notes with one hand in suspended animation while turning > the page...and...holding the final chord of a piece until the complete > one had been removed and the new one placed on the rack!<< > > Bruce, I just about fell out of the chair laughing at this, but there > are a bazillion folks that do just this. I've heard them. > > This ranks right up there with the other tried and true hymn-playing > technique: On the final chord of a hymn (especially a loud one), > immediately diminuendo with the crescendo pedal to a barely audible > level, still holding the chord of course, while folks are noisily > attempting to put away hymn-books into those pew-back racks. It's so > revernd, you know. > > Cheers, > Neil > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:04:10 -0500   My doctor made me the most wonderful set of "no-line" bifocals. He widened the progressive band in the middle to optimize my sight for distance; mid-range (computer screen/music rack); and reading. They work like a = charm!   Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:34:25 -0500   That sounds like quite a deal, Peter. Have you signed up yet? My price includes a life-time guarantee - never heard of one of those from a doctor before.   Glenda     ----- Original Message -----   The price is down to $759 per eye in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We'll do = a crawl after surgery....   Peter            
(back) Subject: Re: The Simpsons' Best From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:38:01 EDT   I'm watching The Simpsons and they have outdone themselves. Marge and = Homer (long story) had gotten themselves caught naked in a puttputt golf = windmill, but managed to escape (more long story) in a hot air balloon. They got separated from the basket and were over the Crystal Cathedral. The = minister was thanking God for the beautiful glass building that allowed them to = look out and see God's beautiful creation. As they looked up, Homer was being dragged naked up the glass roof section of the window showing his cute = little dimpled backside to everyone inside. It was hilarious. It should = happen. IT REALLY SHOULD HAPPEN. They even include the pipes or the organ. = Geez, I luv that show!!!     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: The fade out (was Reducing music) From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:13:46 -0400 (EDT)   >>the fade-out on the "Amen" or the final chord of a hymn is something else ... *I* was taught to do THAT<<   Ok, but there is nothing more deflating to the spirit you have just created than to build a beautiful crescendo to the end of a wonderful hymn (Holy Holy Holy--Nicaea, for example) and then at the final chord let the bottom drop out with a diminuendo.   I"m not of that school and I have always found it (for lack of a kinder word) underwhelming. What's wrong with letting a hymn resound, if appropriate? What are we trying to prevent? create?   Sure on many hymns, a diminuendo is appropriate, beautiful and effective. But every single time, at every single final cadence?   I'm done with this rant. Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: The fade out (was Reducing music) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:37:49   At 12:13 AM 6/29/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, but there is nothing more deflating to the spirit you have just >created than to build a beautiful crescendo to the end of a wonderful >hymn (Holy Holy Holy--Nicaea, for example) and then at the final chord >let the bottom drop out with a diminuendo.<snip>   ....a nice alternative is to have a switch on a Hammond that only controls the tonewheel generator, play the last chord, then kill the generator, and snicker as the chord sinks slowly into the mud...hehehehhee!   DeserTBoB > >I"m not of that school and I have always found it (for lack of a kinder >word) underwhelming. What's wrong with letting a hymn resound, if >appropriate? What are we trying to prevent? create? > >Sure on many hymns, a diminuendo is appropriate, beautiful and >effective. But every single time, at every single final cadence? > >I'm done with this rant. >Neil > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Delete this if you don't wear glasses.... From: "Sam Vause \(@Home\)" <vause@home.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:14:58 -0700   It's 899/eye in Phoenix/Scottsdale (http://www.iconlasik.com/home). And = it's definitely improved my ability to sight-read; playing the organ is much = more of a pleasant experience (especially with the 55-pound glasses now gone = from my punished nose!) It took only 12 minutes, and I was seeing w/out discomfort in about 5 hours. For the serious keyboardist with nearsightedness problems, it's a must for consideration.... --sam Sam Vause (Chandler, AZ)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:33 AM     The price is down to $759 per eye in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We'll do = a crawl after surgery....