PipeChat Digest #1288 - Thursday, March 2, 2000
 
Re: Too much stop information
  by "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au>
Re: Holtkamps
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: Holtkamps
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: a Virgil Fox question
  by "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Stops and how to handle 'em
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: facades, etc.
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Too much stop information
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Stops and how to handle 'em
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Fw: facades, etc.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: facades, etc.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
New Organ
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: a Virgil Fox question
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: New Organ
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: New Organ
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Too much stop information
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: Stop Names and things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Aeolian/Estey nomenclature
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Stop Names and things
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: Too much stop information From: "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:43:26 +1000       ---------- > From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> > Date: Wednesday, 1 March 2000 23:47 > Is it naive to assume that that was the perfect location for the music rack > when the player was in a pit, watching a silent movie, providing sound for > it, with or without music on the rack?   Having the music rack in that position is helpful when accompanying silent movies. On 2, 3 and 4 manual consoles it is helpful to have the music in the position that you can read it and still see the screen. I adjust the console height so that the music is just below the screen and find that I have no trouble at all in changing eye focus from one to the other. I have been accompnying silent movies on average 8 shows a week for the past 13 years. Also, I'm 5' 8" and don't have a problem with the music rack on a = 4 manual console. But then it's all what you get used to I guess. Ron West    
(back) Subject: Re: Holtkamps From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:00:43 -0500   Re: The Holtkamp at Crouse   This instrument is an absolute gem! Howevr, since the ``improvements'' to Crouse auditorium - mainly the padded seats -- the organ does not sound = the same. The beautiful colors that are still contained in the instrument do not reflect into the space as they once did. What a loss!!   I recently attended a practice session in the auditorium with a pianist = and he placed the piano in the far corner of the stage to get the best sound = in the room. All this for more comfort?? In my book, they have ruined that once wonderful room.   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse (1927 E.M. Skinner) orge@dreamscape.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebekah Ingram <rringram@syr.edu> Subject: Re: Holtkamps     > > Don't forget "my" Holtkamp! Heck, the thing was built to get Poister to come > from Oberlin and BOY DID HE. I was just telling my teacher yesterday = that > the > action is the most enjoyable I've ever played on in my life. And I grew = up > in Tracker > Town, USA..... > > -Rebekah > feverishly practicing so as not to embarrass myself at my -recital-!      
(back) Subject: RE: Holtkamps From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:17:00 -0600   Sounds like the Charles Munch/Boston Symphony Orchestra recording of the Saint-Saens 3rd on RCA Victor. The took the seats out of the hall for the summer pops series and made the recording in the truly empty room. Wow!   Best on your recital! Let us know how it goes. I grew up in Ithaca and have family in Syracuse but I've never hear Crouse live.   Peter    
(back) Subject: Re: a Virgil Fox question From: "antoni scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:30:17 -0500   I saw Virgil perform this piece several times and heard him, live, many more. Both Rogers at Carnegie Hall, and the Black Beauty on tour several times. I don't know if I could help, since my eyes didn't move that fast while I was watching his feet !!!!! Incredible performance, incredible.   If I were asked if it were possible to play this piece for the feet alone, I would have said it was impossible. Virgil was amazing.     Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Stops and how to handle 'em From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:17:42 PST     Can't have any elegance or charm in our design now can we? 'Specially >not in consoles or organ cases. Bauhaus =FCber alles!   So young and uninformed to be _so_ opinionated. Can't remember when I've seen a Bauhaus orgel on the cover of the TAO or Diapason.   What exactly did they teach you at Northwestern? Have you ever attended = an OHS convention? Have you read Orpha Ochse's book on american organ = history?   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: facades, etc. From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:06:05 -0000   <<The 4m 42r Wurli at the Paramount Music Palace in Indy had <their horny <Battaglia up in the balcony. <Pity those pizza-eaters who didn't realize it was there!   <Rick   I think this is the same organ that is now at the "Roaring Twenties" Pizza restaurant in Ellenton, Florida. We went down there and that honker is right above where you order and pick up your pizza. Fortunately a light shines on it when it is to be used and everyone can take cover. John          
(back) Subject: Re: Too much stop information From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:12:06 -0000   A Schantz organ I was involved with in Maine has all couplers as knobs within the sections. With the Great stops, we had the S-G 16, 8, 4 and = C-G 16, 8, 4 on knobs at the top. This kept the console lower and allowed the organist to see the music rack better and to see over it to direct the choir. Those knobs were black background with white writing, so was easy = to grab, plus had the appropriate reversible pistons under the manuals to = work them. John          
(back) Subject: Re: Stops and how to handle 'em From: "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:26:09 -0600   ray ahrens wrote: > So young and uninformed to be _so_ opinionated. Can't remember when = I've > seen a Bauhaus orgel on the cover of the TAO or Diapason.   Thank you Ray, "Bauhaus" may here be taken as a general gloss referring to inelegant, = cold, and painful styles of architecture current in the middle of this century. = I'm sorry if I misused this term...like a musical neophyte lashing out blindly = at the vague term "atonal", I lack the architectural vocabulary and expertise = to express specific complaints about design. Brushing aside semantic disputes, I stand by my original LIGHT-HEARTED = quip and maintain that organ builders have only recently begun atoning for the design sins of mid-century and still have a long way to go before = regaining the elegance of design found before the 20th century.   > Have you read Orpha Ochse's book on american organ history? Cover to cover, and it's sitting above my desk right now...well-written, wonderful resource (particularly in the comparison between Ernest Skinner = and Robert Hope-Jones) but I fail to see the connection here.   -- Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "A fine is a tax for doing wrong... A tax is a fine for doing well."  
(back) Subject: Fw: facades, etc. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:23:54 -0500   Yeah John, the one and the same.   ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Doney <jdoney@email.msn.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:06 PM Subject: Re: facades, etc.     > <<The 4m 42r Wurli at the Paramount Music Palace in Indy had <their = horny > <Battaglia up in the balcony. > <Pity those pizza-eaters who didn't realize it was there! > > <Rick > > I think this is the same organ that is now at the "Roaring Twenties" = Pizza > restaurant in Ellenton, Florida. We went down there and that honker is > right above where you order and pick up your pizza. Fortunately a light > shines on it when it is to be used and everyone can take cover. John > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: facades, etc. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:42:06 -0500   Estey residence organs were great for labeling stops: Soft Flute, Loud Flute, etc. I believe it wasn't until EMSkinner got in that stop names were changed to proper nomenclature. Correct me if I'm wrong.   Rick        
(back) Subject: New Organ From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:43:05 EST   Greetings,   In the interest of some of our more vocal members who have been purporting =   the need for American Names on organ stops - (because those nasty european =   names always sell) - a new company has formed. Founded by organists who = love european stop nomenclature because of it's more telling and discriptive names, because drawknob consoles look nice and have a certain 'shall we = say' class and elegance to them, and for the fact that the organ is sometimes viewed as boring as it is and find no need to make it more boring or blazee'.   However, our firm has been contracted to replace certain instruments in = this country with rather 'set in their ways' organist who insist on ONLY = American Names on their stops. Here is a specification from our latest endeavour.   Orgues du American Opus 1 3/7 Chapel of the Most Divine Unrest   Middle Keyboard 16' Medium Sized Organy Sound 8' Big Organy Sound 8' Flutey Thingy 8' Sheperds Horn (or Horn for Goats) 4' Medium and Higher Organy Sound 4' Windy Fluty Thingy 2' Bright Organy Sound 5 High Pitched Screaming Organy Sound 8' Snarly Brassy Thing   Top Keyboard 8' Medium Flute Sound 8' Stringy Thingy 8' Slighty Sharp Stringy Thingy 4' Medium Organy Sound 4' Flute Which somewhat sounds like the sound made by a flute of the orchestra (phew hope that fits on a rocker tab !!!) 2' Perky Flute 3 High Pitched Shrieky Organy Sounds 16' Buzzy Thang 8' Loud Snarl - Slighty Brassy 8' Softer Reedy Sound 8' Named Human Voice but sounds like a Cow in Heat 4' Bright Reedy Thing Wind Flutterer   Bottom Keyboard 8' Light Sounding Flute 8' Sort of Stringy / Sort of Organy thang 4' 'Nother Fluty Thingy 2 2/3' Thang 2' 'Nother Organy Thingy 1 3/5' Thang 1' Useless Thang 3 High Pitched Pipes which are useful for cutting glass 8' Buzzy Cute Reddy Thingy Wind Flutterer   Footsy Keyboard 32' "ooh my the floor's a shakin" 16' Organy Thingy 16' Deep Flutey Thingy 8' Organy Thingy (not the same organy thingy from the Middle Keyboard) 8' Flutey Thingy 4' Organy Thingy - yep another one. 2 Always out of tune high pitched things 16' "Hold on to your hat Martha's" 8' More of the same hat thingy 4' Cute Little Reedy thingy   Pedal Range: CCC - CC (1 Octave =3D 13 notes for you Americans) Keyboard Range: FF - C3   NOTE: This is a special request organ - our company does indeed make eclectic organs such as Aeolian Skinners and other Fine examples of = American Organ Building too!   All the Best,   The Maitre   (Still not worried about flames - The Bombarde will protect me!)   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: a Virgil Fox question From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:56:54   At 08:30 PM 3/1/2000 -0500, you wrote:   >If I were asked if it were possible to play this piece for the feet >alone, I would have said it was impossible.<snip>   Well, that IS how it's written!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:08:10 PST   >Orgues du American Opus 1 3/7 >Chapel of the Most Divine Unrest > >Middle Keyboard >16' Medium Sized Organy Sound >8' Big Organy Sound >8' Flutey Thingy >8' Sheperds Horn (or Horn for Goats) >4' Medium and Higher Organy Sound >4' Windy Fluty Thingy >2' Bright Organy Sound >5 High Pitched Screaming Organy Sound >8' Snarly Brassy Thing     <snip>   Dear Sir,   I'd like to place an order with your firm for a hausorgel with the following:   8' Chiff 4' Pfiefe in der front 4' Chiffier 3' 5th o'Chiff 2' Chiffette   I'm assuming you're located on the East Coast as I can't find any Bauhaus style builders in Kansas. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:41:27 -0500 (EST)   I'd like to order an orgel w/ 2 ranks of slushy strings. Can that be arranged?   Oh, and an 8' wailing oboe would do, too.   Oh, and can you steal the French horn from the post chapel organ at West Point? Pat won't mind, I'm sure. LOL   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Too much stop information From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:15:39 EST   <<The old console at Longwood Gardens is beautiful in that, the top of the music rack was even with the top of the console. It was sorta like "sunk" = in there just above the top manual.>>   My Klann console is the same way, the music desk is "sunk" into the = console directly above the swell manual, and the top of it is even with the top of =   the console. The couplers are all on drawknobs on the side cheeks, no row = of rockers above the manuals. All rather like a tracker organ. I didn't = realise this for some time, as it had been crudely configured into a four-manual. = Now it's back to its three manual configuration, and I like it a lot. I'll be very loath to part with it, although it's pretty beaten up. Mick Berg.  
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Names and things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:03:27 EST   In a message dated 3/1/00 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > I can only quote somebody (Alan Laufman, or was it even earlier?) who = said, > "More organs have been discarded because of FASHION than because they = wore > out". "Fashion wears out more organs than playing ever will." -- from Nelson = Barden ad in OHS Handbook   >It's instructive that the neo-baroque elements were REMOVED from the > Washington Cathedral organ in the last rebuild ... instead, they added > division(s) and stops to make it MORE of what it already WAS, since the =   > original organ was built before the great nave was opening, and needed "beefing up". What neo-baroque elements were removed from the National Cathedral = organ??? Not those cute little Brusthingies!!   Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest  
(back) Subject: Aeolian/Estey nomenclature From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:48:04 -0800   I think you mean Aeolians, rather than Esteys ... I've never seen an Estey residence organ ... they might have done it too. The spec for the Aeolian = I played in Florida went something like this:   MAIN (duplexed to Swell [called manual II or upper manual ... I forget] = and Great [called manual I or lower]... no pitches on the rocker-tabs ... all = 8' unless otherwise specified):   Vibrato Diapason - a WONDERFUL, BIG diapason CELESTE, but not a diaphone Diapason F String (big old nasty Gamba) F Flute (big old open wood flute) P String (run-of-the-mill Salicional) P Flute (Melodia) Vibrato P String (Vox Celeste) (Vibrato P Flute?) ... don't remember High Flute (4') Trumpet Oboe Vox Humana Chimes Harp Tremulant   ECHO (floating ... it was only a two-manual console)   Echo Flute Vibrato Echo Flute Echo Dulciana Vibrato Echo Dulciana Echo Vox Humana Tremulant   CHOIR (floating)   Bass Vox Humana (16) (!) Tenor Vox Humana Alto Vox Humana Choir Vox Humana (2-rank CELESTE VOX PLUS TREMULANT) (!!) Yes it WAS! I went upstairs and LOOKED!! SOUNDED like the moaning of = the DAMNED (grin) Soprano Vox Humana (4)   PEDAL   Deep Flute F (wooden Open Diapason) (16) Deep Flute P (Bourdon) (16) Deep String F (wooden Violone) (16)   The other controls were also in "lay" language, for the most part ...   Cheers,   Bud   VEAGUE wrote:   > Estey residence organs were great for labeling stops: Soft Flute, Loud > Flute, etc. > I believe it wasn't until EMSkinner got in that stop names were changed = to > proper nomenclature. > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > Rick > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Names and things From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:53:48 -0800       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/1/00 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > I can only quote somebody (Alan Laufman, or was it even earlier?) who = said, > > "More organs have been discarded because of FASHION than because they = wore > > out". > "Fashion wears out more organs than playing ever will." -- from Nelson = Barden > ad in OHS Handbook > > >It's instructive that the neo-baroque elements were REMOVED from the > > Washington Cathedral organ in the last rebuild ... instead, they = added > > division(s) and stops to make it MORE of what it already WAS, since = the > > original organ was built before the great nave was opening, and needed > "beefing up". > What neo-baroque elements were removed from the National Cathedral = organ??? > Not those cute little Brusthingies!!   Yeah, all the pencil-pipes in the north triforium gallery (right across = from the console, weren't they?) have gone to A Better Place, replaced by the = Sowerby Memorial Super-Swell / Bombarde division, or something like that (grin), = which I THINK is in the south (?) quarter-gallery ... it's been awhile.   Cheers,   Bud