PipeChat Digest #1302 - Monday, March 13, 2000
 
Fw: Brewse's June Lineup Revealed!
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
chorale preludes
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Organ Clearing House (X-posted)
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: d minor - was Service Music -- Oak Cliff
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Numerology in the Chant? (X-posted)
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Brewse's June Lineup Revealed!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Lent I- St. Stephen's Terre Haute IN
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: chorale preludes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
voluntaries
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Lent I- St. Stephen's Terre Haute IN
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> 
Re: chorale preludes
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 



(back) Subject: Fw: Brewse's June Lineup Revealed! From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:49:51 -0500   A dig for Bruce! Love it!   ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Brewse's June Lineup Revealed!     > At 08:25 PM 3/12/2000 EST, you wrote: > > > >http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS > > > FLASH! JUNE RECITAL CONTENT DIVULGED! > > Brewse's bizzy schedule has precluded him from finishing the posting of his > June, '00, recital content! Here it is! > > "Lorenz Chorale Preludes I Have Loved"... > ...starring Brewse, playing his collection of Bald-one Schpinettes! > > Negotiations are underway to have the new coast-to-coast organ = programme, > "Schtops 'n Schpinttes", carry this one live! > > Stay tooned! > > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: chorale preludes From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:33:17 -0800   I cannot imagine beginning Lent without "O Man Bewail", "Have Mercy Upon Me, O God", etc., and this year I played "By Adam's Fall" from the misc. chorale preludes because we'd been discussing the registration on one of the lists. None of those tunes are in the 1940 Hymnal. So what? They're gorgeous as absolute music ... and at least the TITLES in the bulletin LOOK like Lent (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Organ Clearing House (X-posted) From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:53:49 -0800   If you haven't checked out the site recently, they've added a lot more information ... still not as much as I'd LIKE to have, but it's a BIG improvement ... prices and dimensions of the organs, in most cases. Check it out!   http://www.organclearinghouse.com/   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: d minor - was Service Music -- Oak Cliff From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:00:59 EST   In a message dated 3/12/00 9:23:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, davenlow@hotmail.com writes:   > keeping in mind the prelude to > worship is important but not part of the mass, neither is the postlude: = the > former comes before the invocation and the latter after the = benediction. I beg to differ.... It's all a part of the worship experience. If the organ voluntaries are treated by us as "extracurricular" then how on earth =   can we expect the congregation and, God forbid, the clergy to take what we = do seriously. This put organ music into the category of "pewzak." For = shame!!!   Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest  
(back) Subject: Numerology in the Chant? (X-posted) From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:11:19 -0800   I'm not into numerology, particularly, beyond the usual Trinitarian symbolism ... but in order to set Chant on Sibelius, I have to count the number of 8th note pulses in each phrase, and it seems that certain numbers keep re-occurring ... mostly multiples of 3 ... hmmm ... is it POSSIBLE that Chant phrases are all divisible by three (or should be), and that the ones that aren't have been tampered with at some point? Curiouser and curiouser ... this is all in the chant of the Improperia for Good Friday, BTW, if anybody wants to take a look at it in the Liber.   Cheers,   Bud, who had a LONG nap this afternoon    
(back) Subject: Re: Brewse's June Lineup Revealed! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:13:34 EST   In a message dated 3/12/00 9:46:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > Negotiations are underway to have the new coast-to-coast organ = programme, > "Schtops 'n Schpinttes", carry this one live! HEY! I thought is was "SCHNOPS 'n Schpinettes"   Wawhawhawhawhawhawhaw   Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: Lent I- St. Stephen's Terre Haute IN From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:16:58 EST   In a message dated 3/12/00 10:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Djdkn47@aol.com writes:   > This parish hasn't had organ preludes and postludes during Lent for = 25-30 > years now. I'll spare you all my speech on why I think this is "poopoo". It = certainly deprives the congregation of hearing a great deal of beautiful organ = music, and places the organ into a category of things that should be eliminated during particular times. YUK!   You might think differently if your salary was eliminated during Lent, = too! ;-)   Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:21:33 EST   In a message dated 3/13/00 12:34:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > They're > gorgeous as absolute music ... and at least the TITLES in the bulletin > LOOK like Lent (grin). Ah! The main point of having music is worship. It is absolutely = gorgeous and is an offering that helps bring us closer to God.   Do you have a neat font that makes puffy little letter that look like = lent? Kewl!   Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: voluntaries From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:34:31 -0800   I can see both sides here ... in the strict interpretation, "solo" organ = music ISN'T a part of the Mass, and indeed, the rubrics FORBID it (or used to) = at certain seasons and occasions:   Advent I, II, and IV (the organ was played as usual on Advent III, Gaudete Sunday) Lent I, II, III (the organ was played as usual on Lent IV, Laetare Sunday) Passion Sunday through the Gloria of the Mass on Maundy Thursday (the organ was entirely silent from the end of the Gloria on Maundy = Thursday until the Gloria of the Easter Vigil Mass on Holy Saturday) Requiem Masses Vigils of Holy Days certain Fast Days   BTW, the same rule applied to Vespers, the only other canonical service = that admitted the use of the organ AT ALL.   Except for the Triduum (Maundy Thursday after the Gloria, all of Good = Friday, and the first part of Holy Saturday), the organ could be played "in a subdued = tone" to accompany the chant ONLY. I presume this meant (since the rubrics are very = old) that Intonations, Toccatas (in the older sense), Versets, etc. were not to = be played before, during or after the chant, since the rubric specifically = said that the organ was to cease playing when the chant was over (lest anybody plead ignorance ... grin). That's why we have very little old organ music based on the Advent chants, = and practically none on the Lenten chants ... even as late as Tournemire, he = only sets Gaudete and Laetare Sunday.   So ... the liturgical tradition REGULATES the use of the organ, but it's = not an official part of the liturgy in the sense that I can't go to the Ordo = Kalendar and find out what pieces I'm supposed to play on a given Sunday, as I can the = variable parts of the Mass itself.   Frankly, the voluntaries at St. Matthew's ARE "pewzak", for the most part = ... I don't play trash (except when I'm in a MOOD ... grin ... THEN the Batiste = and the Foote books come out ... yes, I play "Fountain Reverie" in the = summer-time), but I don't knock myself out, either ... on average, 90% of the congregation = comes piling in the doors at two minutes of the hour (if THEN); a few people = stand around the console and listen to the postlude because that's the only = place they can HEAR it (console speakers) ... the rest of the congregation is = standing in the aisles chattering away. If I were playing a fine pipe organ in an isolated = loft half-way to heaven, things might be different ... at least I could enjoy = playing some bigger pieces without being distracted by all the noise ... but in = our little chapel with Le Grand Hammond, it just ain't worth the effort. PLUS we only = have fifteen minutes between services.   I take the voluntaries seriously enough that I list them in the service = leaflet, and I practice them (most of the time ... I didn't for this morning ... = I've been playing "O Mensch Bewein" and "Durch Adam's Fall" for forty years).   I practically ALWAYS improvise before and after Evensong (usually on the = Office Hymn), unless it's An Occasion.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/12/00 9:23:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > davenlow@hotmail.com writes: > > > keeping in mind the prelude to > > worship is important but not part of the mass, neither is the = postlude: the > > former comes before the invocation and the latter after the = benediction. > I beg to differ.... It's all a part of the worship experience. If = the > organ voluntaries are treated by us as "extracurricular" then how on = earth > can we expect the congregation and, God forbid, the clergy to take what = we do > seriously. This put organ music into the category of "pewzak." For = shame!!! > > Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand > http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Lent I- St. Stephen's Terre Haute IN From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:36:35 -0800   We never had preludes and postludes during Advent and Lent at Old St. = Mary's in CIncinnati, either ... but I had a fine choir ... they usually sang one or = more motets before and after Mass ... we didn't play the organ at the High Mass = in Advent and Lent either.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/12/00 10:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Djdkn47@aol.com > writes: > > > This parish hasn't had organ preludes and postludes during Lent for = 25-30 > > years now. > I'll spare you all my speech on why I think this is "poopoo". It = certainly > deprives the congregation of hearing a great deal of beautiful organ = music, > and places the organ into a category of things that should be eliminated > during particular times. YUK! > > You might think differently if your salary was eliminated during Lent, = too! > ;-) > > Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand > http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest > http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: chorale preludes From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:37:20 -0800   Ye Olde English, of COURSE! (grin)   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/13/00 12:34:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > They're > > gorgeous as absolute music ... and at least the TITLES in the = bulletin > > LOOK like Lent (grin). > Ah! The main point of having music is worship. It is absolutely = gorgeous > and is an offering that helps bring us closer to God. > > Do you have a neat font that makes puffy little letter that look like = lent? > Kewl! > > Bruce in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand > http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest > http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org