PipeChat Digest #1314 - Monday, March 20, 2000
 
Apology needed  [was Re: (not really) Re: Pipes and Bytes]
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes]
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Pipes and Bytes
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Hey. Guys.
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Pipedreams Radio on Real Player
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes]
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hey. Guys.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
ALL READ  Re: Pipes and Bytes
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: An elongated "Pipes and Bytes"
  by "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: If I had any sense ...
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: If I had any sense ...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: NEW QUESTION
  by "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: Pipes and Bytes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: ALL READ  Re: Pipes and Bytes
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: Pipedreams Radio on Real Player
  by "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com>
Re: Xpost: Recital review:  Krista Rakich
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Apology needed and given
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: If I had any sense ...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hey. Guys.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Xpost: Recital review:  Krista Rakich
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: NEW QUESTION.....
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
St. Thomas, Leipzig,  Sauer organ
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes]
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
 



(back) Subject: Apology needed [was Re: (not really) Re: Pipes and Bytes] From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:40:34 -0600   Tim, Personally, I find these passages you wrote in response to a post by Bob Scarborough to be pointless and unnecessary attacks, and personally I think Bob is deserving of an apology.   Passage 1 [Emphasis added by me])   > >At 3/19/00 03:12 PM, _DeserTBoob_ wrote:   ....<snip>...   Passage 2)   > Perhaps you are against the idea of APOBA for the same reason that you > seem to be so against Piporg-L...apparently you dislike ANY > organization that utilizes the *brain* and *intellect* to try to > produce a better world (not only for the present, but for the future).   ....<snip>...Passage 3)   > I doubt that you will have any intelligent response to any of these > points (with list history as my guide), but I make them anyway, for > the benefit of the rest of the membership of Pipechat. I see it as > unfair for any more of your ill-informed rants to go unquestioned. > The good folks of Pipechat should know that there are other, REAL, > reasons why such things are so.        
(back) Subject: Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes] From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:54:40 -0600   I was offended by Tim Bovard's personal attacks on Bob Scarborough. = Fairness also demands that I take offense by Bob's response in which he writes:   > As I said to Dim Bovine...deal with it.   Again I feel an apology is in order.   We don't all have to agree; we do need to be civil.        
(back) Subject: Re: Pipes and Bytes From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:43:02 -0500   > At 04:19 PM 3/19/2000 EST, BrewSe the Bawld-one Man wrote: > >Companies that are "realizing that digital sounds . . . can be used to > >complement rather than replace the pipe organ" are playing to the mass= es to > >make profits.<snip> > > Show me an organ builder that builds organs strictly for the love of it= , > and I'll show you an out-of-work and/or bankrupt organ builder.   I didn't want to jump into this, seeing as a lot of this is OPINION....bu= t I just -have- to here.   Fritz Noack told me once (in so many words) "This is a hard job, but I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. You go home and your bone tired, but you've done something = you can be proud of."   That man LOVES his work.   > or schools. A lesson can be learned from all those ratty 3 rank Kilgen= s > and M=F6llers and Hilgreen and Lanes and what-have-you that are out > there...they tonally suck. If all you want to do it toodle along for   Hey! I loved my Lane!   > accompanimental purposes in a small chapel, well, fine.   Granted it was in a Kleenex Box of a Catholic church, but it was a NICE organ! The sound was spectacular and Barbara Owen took the OHS there on an organ crawl (and I got to play!....well, it WAS my organ at the time, but still!)   > Just like when all the leather starts falling apart and the chests star= t > leaking, right? The arguement doesn't stand up. Loudspeakers are easi= ly > reconed, amplification systems here and now are almost distortionless, = and   Uh, yeah, but you forget that whenever a cop car drives by during the sermon, everyone in the congregation is going to hear what kind of doughnut they'= re eating.   -Rebekah   Love my Lane.    
(back) Subject: Hey. Guys. From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:53:24 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01BF9238.FCE5B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Just finished with ALL of the recent posts.   Guys. Chill. Can we say "O-P-I-N-I-O-N"? Good!=3D20   To expect that everyone will always agree with you, and that you are =3D ALWAYS right is outrageous, to say the least. It's like trying to convert =3D people from Catholocism. (That was a JOKE. Laugh, dammit!)   Think we all need to take a step back from our computers, take a DEEP =3D breath....and=3D20 reflect on why we are here: to learn from each other. That means keeping = =3D an open mind, and realizing that we are not always right!=3D20   And that goes BOTH WAYS. Now go get a cup of coffee and reflect on the =3D meaning of life, 'cause I'm pretty sure that it's not arguing about whether electronics =3D or pipes are better.   -Rebekah   I'm getting my coffee!   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01BF9238.FCE5B680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#d8d8d8> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Just finished with ALL of the recent =3D posts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Guys. Chill. Can we say "O-P-I-N-I-O-N"? Good! =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>To expect that everyone will always agree with you, = =3D and that=3D20 you are ALWAYS</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>right is outrageous, to say the least. It's like =3D trying to=3D20 convert people from Catholocism.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>(That was a JOKE. Laugh, dammit!)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Think we all need to take a step back from our =3D computers, take=3D20 a DEEP breath....and </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>reflect on why we are here: to learn from each =3D other. That=3D20 means keeping an open mind,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>and realizing that we are not always right! =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>And that goes BOTH WAYS. Now go get a cup of coffee = =3D and=3D20 reflect on the meaning of life,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>'cause I'm pretty sure that it's not arguing about = =3D whether=3D20 electronics or pipes are better.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I'm getting my coffee!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01BF9238.FCE5B680--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipedreams Radio on Real Player From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:56:31 -0600   ldpatte@attglobal.net wrote:   > Does anybody know if any of the radio stations available through Real > Player feature the Pipedreams program; and if so, where could I find a > current programme. (It's not on any stations in my area).   Try the Pipedreams websiter, I seem to recall that Minnesota Public Radio webcasts viaRealAudio.    
(back) Subject: Re: Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes] From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:25:51 EST   In a message dated 3/20/00 6:02:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, mjolnir@ticnet.com writes:   > We don't all have to agree; we do need to be civil. Methnks our skin is getting too thin. Being civil and being colourful = are separated by a thin line. I rather enjoy the colourful rantings of DessertBooB (!), although we don't always see eye to nose. (he sounds = taller than me!). Please allow leeway for some colour on the list. Thankque!   BrewSe d' Schpinnette   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: Hey. Guys. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:34:19 EST   In a message dated 3/20/00 6:58:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:   > Think we all need to take a step back from our computers, take a DEEP > breath....and > reflect on why we are here: to learn from each other. That means = keeping an > open mind, > and realizing that we are not always right! > > And that goes BOTH WAYS. Now go get a cup of coffee and reflect on the > meaning of life, > 'cause I'm pretty sure that it's not arguing about whether electronics = or > pipes are better. > Read the posts, dearie! (hehehehe) We weren't arguing about which was =   better, we were discussing the pros and cons of mixing and matching, impressing and fooling. Almost everything written is opinion. That's = what makes us unique... our opinions. I've found this discussion interesting =   and scary, and, of course, annoying in spots, but, hey, that's the way it goes. If you want pleasant chat go to Born-Again Charismatic Pacifists Online, but be sure to select the Pentecostal or Liturgical group.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: ALL READ Re: Pipes and Bytes From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:50:18 -0600     Folks   This is an interesting yet controversial thread and I am seeing good points raised on both sides. I don't want to put a stop to it.   HOWEVER, I am rather upset with some of the "name calling" that is taking place as part of it. I was especially distressed at one post where the person posting WILLFULLY took another posters name and made a mockery out of it. And then also used that name in another post to someone else. This I will not stand for and the next person to do that will be REMOVED from the list IMMEDIATELY!!! This same poster also made a mockery of where the other poster resides. Here again I will not stand for this on the list.. Please be warned.   As I think all of you know, I try to stay out away from doing much in the way of Administrative postings but when someone is "insulted" by another person on the list I get rather upset. We are supposed to be Ladies and Gentlemen here, we may have conflicting opinions but don't insult someone that doesn't agree with you.   Let us continue with the thread but keep it CIVIL!!!   David (Who is also fighting a series of attacks of the pretty park virus this morning on another list, and is not in a good mood because of that!) **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: An elongated "Pipes and Bytes" From: "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:03:43 -0600   Dear List members:   For the edification and enlightenment of DeserTBob I offer the following:   A list of musical persons with Little Rock and/or Arkansas connections. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone, living or dead, by = inclusion or omission. I compiled this list in a hurry and off the top of my head. BTW my Arkansas connection only began in 1976 when I moved to Little Rock.   Florence Price, Composer William Grant Still, Composer Corliss Arnold, FAGO Michigan State Warren Hutton, Unversity of Alabama Clark Kelley, University of Oklahoma Ernest Ligon, National Presbyterian Church, Washington, D.C. Jon Gillock, undergraduate degree from the Unversity of Arkansas, pupil of Kenneth Osborne Edward Linzel, Assistant at St. Mary the Virgin NYC with Ernest White Jon Rollins, Associate at St. John the Divine NYC Scott Joplin, Ragtime composer Sarah Caldwell, founder of the Opera company of Boston Susan Dunn, Opera singer Mignon Dunn, Opera singer, Manhattan School of Music John Workman, Opera singer Mary Winston Smith, Opera singer Emily Cooper Gibson, National AGO competition winner Tommy Vise, National AGO competition finalist Paul Beckard, National AGO competition finalist   'nuff said?   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com    
(back) Subject: Re: If I had any sense ... From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:47:32 -0800       Bob Scarborough wrote:   > > >Unless they have a musician with some knowledge (AND principles) to = lead > them.<snip> > > Just like how you nurse along Le Grande Hammonde with not a care in the > world from the rector, eh, Bud?   Cheap shot, Bob (grin) ... I pushed him until he threatened to FIRE me if = I mentioned the organ again, OR the "architect" ... so I'm sitting back and waiting to say "I told you so" when he can't hear the Hammond beyond the organ-loft in the new church, if indeed it doesn't go to digital perdition = in the interim.   To be brutally honest, I've decided it does what it needs to do in a = MARGINALLY adequate fashion, FOR THE PRESENT. As someone from one of the lists = commented when they showed up at our High Mass, I keep it under a VERY tight rein = and don't ask it to do ANYTHING it CAN'T do. When the Rector decides he wants = MORE than that (substantive opening and closing voluntaries, Sunday afternoon concerts-with-Evensong, etc.), then I'm sure the issue will get re-opened. = He DOES more-or-less accept it when he asks for something and I tell him that = (1) the choir can't sing it, or (2) the organ can't play it. The most = unfortunate thing about the situation is that I couldn't get them to do SQUAT about = PLANNING for a pipe organ in the new building, beyond bracing the organ-loft floor = to accept the load.   In the meantime, pray that my wealthy young doctor parishioner pursues the = issue .... THAT'S the way we'll get a new organ, after the manner of Anglicans = ... CHECKBOOKS speak VOLUMES (grin). The Rector's no fool ... he won't turn = down a $100K-$200K donation for an Organ Clearing House transplant for the sake = of not hurting the feelings of the widow of the donor of the $11K Hammond. That's = cold, to be sure, but that's church politics.   Cheers,   Bud   > > > >> For better or worse, that's the way it is. > > > >Doesn't have to be ... At least not as long as there's OHS and and = Organ > Clearing House (grin).<snip> > > The latter being a sadly overlooked resource. Fine little instruments = (and > some larger!) go without new homes for long periods of time. Perhaps = it's > sheer ignorance, or just the want by the "brat boys" for all the "bells = and > whistles", as BrewSe mentioned so well. However, the e-org business is > highly organized, and profit-driven. They send salesmen to all = churches > contemplating new sanctuaries or remodeling jobs. Where's OCH? They = never > heard of them. 70 years ago, Kilgen, M=F6ller, even the vaunted =C6-S = had > scads of distributers' agents doing the same thing. How many pipe = concerns > are aggressive about sales nowadays, at least up to the level of what = the > Allen and Rodgers dealers do? Few, if any, I'd surmise. > > This sort of complacency is precisely how the nation's railroads lost > megatons of freight to trucks from the 1940's on, and how a snooty, = unaware > AT&T lost almost half its market share to competitors...they didn't = "sell". > No sale, no money. No money, NO survival rate! It's economics. Deal > with it. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: If I had any sense ... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:32:31   At 08:47 AM 3/20/2000 -0800, you wrote:   >Cheap shot, Bob (grin)<snip>   Nah, no cheap shot intended. Your fight over there at St. Matt's-by-the-Burger-King is well documented. I still can't understand what his aversion to planning for a servicable, quality instrument at a decent price is...especially since you'll even shown then the possibility of OCH. And an Anglican congregation at that!   >When the Rector decides he wants MORE >than that (substantive opening and closing voluntaries, Sunday afternoon >concerts-with-Evensong, etc.), then I'm sure the issue will get = re-opened. When he wants more, have a banner unfurl that says, "Cap'n, I don't think she'll take any more!"     >In the meantime, pray that my wealthy young doctor parishioner pursues = the issue >... THAT'S the way we'll get a new organ, after the manner of Anglicans = ... >CHECKBOOKS speak VOLUMES (grin).   Catholic churches, also. All the decent organs found in Catholic churches that I've played in were solely the work on one parishioner with a glut of cash. When left to their own devices, RCs used to buy Hammonds by the boxcar load.   The Rector's no fool ... he won't turn down a >$100K-$200K donation for an Organ Clearing House transplant for the sake of not >hurting the feelings of the widow of the donor of the $11K Hammond. = That's cold, >to be sure, but that's church politics.<snip>   I remember a church, where the "somewhat well-to-do" congregants kept donating inadequte e-orgs one right after the other, as if throwing more = of them into the big sanctuary would cure the problem....duh! At the end, = the place wound up with:   A 1949 Hammond RT-2 A 1956 Allen C-3 A 1968 2-manual Rodgers   ....all in the same barn! One up front, one in the back, and one crammed into the...baptismal font??? The old pastor didnt' want to insult any of the denors, it seemed. Place was equipped for organ trios, however!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: NEW QUESTION From: "Joe Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:34:25 -0600   thoehn@theatreorgans.com wrote:   >Does the APOBA have a regulation regarding how to specify the number of >ranks in an instrument   Not being a member of APOBA I cannot speak for them or their regulations. However, as a member of the AIO and chairman of its Ethics Committee I = can tell you that the allegations laid forth in the rest of the above quoted post are absolutely contrary to our Code of Ethics. AIO membership is composed of individuals and APOBA membership is composed of firms. Most APOBA firms have several employees who are members in AIO. I would be astounded and most surprised if ANY of the allegations brought forth could be substantiated against any APOBA member firm.   > Does a 12 note extension to a rank constitute an additional rank? No, of course not.   >....if a manufacturer who is a member of APOBA can >embellish stop lists and specifications by turning a 73 note set of >pipes (16-8) into 2 individual 61 note ranks or an 85 note rank (16-8-4) >and call it 3 individual ranks of 61 notes in the proposal to the >church. The last time I looked 3 61 note ranks equalled 183 pipes, not >85. Yet proposals are out there that are misleading the consumer.   Perhaps the formatting of the stoplist is confusing you. Are straight = ranks listed in the proposal as having 61 PIPES and unit stops as 61 NOTES? In our work we prefer to list unit stops as 16 Gedeckt 12 pipes, 8 Gedeckt 61 pipes. Some builders list a unit stop as 16 Gedeckt 73 pipes, 8 Gedeckt = 61 NOTES. We do not count as stops or ranks nor assign any pipe count to digital 32's. Other builder's variously list them as NOTES or Generators. At the beginning of every one of our proposals the Stop count and Rank = count are listed. A four rank mixture is counted as four ranks and one stop. A 73 note unit stop is counted as one stop and one rank. Some builder's use the term Register and will count individual unit stops in the stop count. = I can see where this can be misleading. But the rank count should always be accurate.   >And what about the manufacturer who makes tonal modification to an >instrument moving a rank from one location to another in the same >instrument (from Sw to CH) and adding the same 61 pipes into the new >enlarged specification a second time?   I can only assume that you are talking about duplexed stops. If a stop is duplexed to another division we merely list which division it comes from = and assign it no note or pipe count. i.e. 8 Gedeckt SWELL. Again, some builder's may list a duplexed stop as 8 Gedeckt 61 NOTES.   >Is this really what APOBA members are like? If it is I'll take the plug >in any day of the week...at least I know what I'm getting when it's >delivered....   My, oh my, what a can of worms that could open!! Truth in advertising should be an absolute mandate for both industries. If you know of any claims of false advertising that can be substantiated against APOBA member firms or AIO members, I can assure you these organizations would be more than happy to investigate and clear up any "fuzzy" matters.   The AIO Code of Ethics can be found at http://www.pipeorgan.org   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipes and Bytes From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:39:17   At 06:43 AM 3/20/2000 -0500, you wrote:   >Hey! I loved my Lane!<snip>   Please tell us more about it!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: ALL READ Re: Pipes and Bytes From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:55:34 -0600   UUUUURRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Thought you might like a sympathetic note.....   jch    
(back) Subject: RE: Pipedreams Radio on Real Player From: "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:16:38 -0800   Pipedreams has a website http://www.pipedreams.org/   They have a new feature of an archive, currently only the most recent = program is available. Last time I checked, they only broadcast live and = rebroadcast on Monday morning.   For those of us in Pipedreams deprived areas like San Diego this a real = benefit. Happy Listening Jon Roussos   ldpatte@attglobal.net Asked   Does anybody know if any of the radio stations available through Real Player feature the Pipedreams program; and if so, where could I find a current programme. (It's not on any stations in my area).      
(back) Subject: Re: Xpost: Recital review: Krista Rakich From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:45:26 -0000   >Gospel Scenes (1994) . . . James Biery (b1956) What is his stuff like, I have a couple of his Dupre recording, but I = didn't know he wrote himself. Is it anything like Dupre?   Richard    
(back) Subject: Apology needed and given From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:40:59   At 10:25 AM 3/20/2000 EST, you wrote:   >> We don't all have to agree; we do need to be civil.   As it's been related to me that many have been upset over recent developments, I offer my humble apology to all for having disrupted the = list.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: If I had any sense ... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:27:43 EST   In a message dated 3/20/00 1:33:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > I still can't understand > what his aversion to planning for a servicable, quality instrument at a > decent price is...especially since you'll even shown then the = possibility > of OCH. And an Anglican congregation at that! I'll go out on a limb here, but many clergy are weenies and will not jump = on the band wagon until others have the horses harnessed and the goods = loaded. When someone else comes up with the idea and funds for the pipe organ, = Rev Armour Starr will hop in and rally all of the support behind him so that credit can be properly applied. It's costs money for an architect to change plans to include something nor originally planned for. A quiet = lunch on the sly with the architect before things got going might have planted = the seed. Had it been the architect's idea and originally included in the = plans, it probably would have had a chance..   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: Hey. Guys. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:16:57   At 10:34 AM 3/20/2000 EST, you wrote: >If you want pleasant chat go to Born-Again Charismatic Pacifists >Online, but be sure to select the Pentecostal or Liturgical = group.<snip>   BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   That one was a PIP!  
(back) Subject: Re: Xpost: Recital review: Krista Rakich From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:47:36 EST   In a message dated 3/20/00 2:44:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk writes:   > >Gospel Scenes (1994) . . . James Biery (b1956) > What is his stuff like, I have a couple of his Dupre recording, but I didn't > know he wrote himself. Is it anything like Dupre? Not even remotely. It is more starke, perhaps more like advanced = Hindemith, or ... well, it's just unique and pleasantly contemporary. It definitely =   does not fall in the "planned noise" category. I hope you like 'em; I = was surprised that I did.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: NEW QUESTION..... From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:54:09 PST   > >Hey...it's a commercial trade organization. They can cheat, but the >competition can't. SOP for business organizations. > >DeserTBoB   The amount of personal baggage brought in by DB is simply frightening. = Did you get attacked by a stray Moller or something? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: St. Thomas, Leipzig, Sauer organ From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:54:22 -0400     Can anyone report on the current condition of the Sauer organ am die Thomaskirche bei Leipzig? And the newer tracker, too?     Cordially,     Karl E. Moyer   Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Apology needed [was Re: Pipes & Bytes] From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:56:45 PST   Who appointed you moderator?   >From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com>   <snip> >I was offended by Tim Bovard's personal attacks on Bob Scarborough. >Fairness >also demands that I take offense by Bob's response in which he writes: > > > As I said to Dim Bovine...deal with it. > >Again I feel an apology is in order. > >We don't all have to agree; we do need to be civil. > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com