PipeChat Digest #1324 - Monday, March 27, 2000
 
Re: words, please
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: AGO Standards (X-Post)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: New instrument
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Brides:  not from my planet
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: New instrument
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Brides:  not from my planet
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Brides:  not from my planet
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: New instrument
  by "Bob North" <bnorth@intergate.bc.ca>
Re: Brides:  not from my planet
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Trax premiere (long harangue) xposted
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: New instrument
  by <Dm726b@aol.com>
Re: New instrument
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Brides:  not from my planet
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@mailbox.syr.edu>
Cure for performance anxiety (don't try this at home)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: New instrument
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New instrument
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 



(back) Subject: Re: words, please From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:36:57 -0600   Rebekah, Thanks. I would sure appreciate it. I tried it last night with my meagre knowledge of German and a dictionary, but it didn't make much sense. It's been too long. Maynard   Rebekah Ingram wrote:   > > Thanks for the words. This should be a big help. It shouldn't be too > much > > trouble to get it translated, unless someone has the English words... > > I can do it for you if you want. I wasn't a German major for nothing. ;) > > -Rebekah > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Standards (X-Post) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:59:27 -0600   >Where could I find the standards for pedalboards and consoles that the >AGO sets? Thank you!! > >Paul Soulek   Paul   The AGO Console Specifications are on their web site at: http://www.agohq.org/education/console.html   In case that URL doesn't work correctly, they are under the Education Section of the Web Site http://www.agohq.org.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:13:21 -0600   At 3/25/00 09:58 PM, Alan wrote: >Thanks to list member for responding. > >I'm kind of dissapointed in the responce to my proposal for a new = instrument >that does not imitate the organ. Someone could of at least called me an = idiot >or a fool.   Well..., OK, Alan..., if you insist -- you're an idiot and a fool.   ***** JUST K-I-D-D-I-N-G !!!!!!! !***** :-) :-) Only KIDDING!!!!!! EVERYBODY SMILE, NOW!!   But *seriously*, though, unless I totally misunderstood your idea, I think its already being done. Isn't that what many currently available electric organs do?? (Rodgers, Allen, etc -- they all seem to offer models with sampled voices from somewhere or another) >The concept of a digital sampling instrument with multiple manual keyboards and a >complete pedal keyboard can be easily and cheaply done with off the shelf =   >technology.   For that matter, doesn't any new pipe (or electronic) organ which includes full MIDI capability also potentially fit this description?   I admit to being a bit puzzled by your comment about the instrument "not imitating the organ"...what *would* your proposed new instrument sample = and imitate? Orchestral instruments?? Human voices?? Vacuum cleaners?? [kidding again!! ;-) ] Something else??   Perhaps your idea is for an instrument that would come with a "blank" = tonal palette -- such that the new owner would sample whatever sounds he/she desired, and arrange/distribute them within the instrument as they wished. (a sort of "super-duper" sampling keyboard, with multiple manuals and pedal.) An interesting idea, I guess, but again, I think it has already been done by various sorts of electronic keyboards currently available. (though maybe not to the degree of the multiple manuals and pedal all in one 'box'... Is *this* what you're getting at?) I've not researched what is currently offered in such machines, though I do note that many contemporary keyboardists in popular music groups have a propensity for stacking up a whole series of keyboard units.   Please, Alan, ellaborate a bit more for us so we can all have a better = idea of what you're proposing. I'll be looking forward to hearing what you = have to suggest.   All Best --   Tim   (who envies you, Alan, for the chance to experience the Ocean Grove Organ firsthand -- that must be a spectacular thing to see from an organ technician's point of view, if nothing else!)              
(back) Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:24:58 EST   Here's a pleasant Bride story:   Last Thursday I got a frantic call from a bride, from another church in = town. Her organist's father died Thursday and had to leave town to deal with = the sad circumstance. The bride had called nearly 20 organists/churches and = no one would take the job on such a short notice. Now, some of you know how much I despise doing weddings (especially after my posting about the = wedding I played for last August), but I had nothing better to do and I felt her = pain -- so I took the gig.   She informed me that the church had a large pipe organ and that she wanted =   the Canon in D, Jesu Joy, and the Trumpet Voluntary used for the seating = of the mothers, bridal procession, and the recession (respectively). She = also told me that money is not an issue... (I resisted the temptation there!). =   The organ turned out to be a large 3 manual electronic in a very live room =   (so it sounded very good), the wedding was probably one of the most well organized and beautiful that I have ever done, and the people were = genuinely appreciative of my services (I received a bonus on top of my fee and was invited to the dinner at the country club).   So what does all this mean? Not all brides are idiots and some are truly "with it". Oh, by the way... she is a BLONDE and quite pretty too.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:30:10 EST   >Unless I totally misunderstood your idea, I think its already being done. =   Isn't that what many currently available electric organs do?? ( Rodgers, Allen, etc- they all seem to offer models with sampled voices from = somewhere or another )<   No. I don't think I was clear enough with this concept. The existing = digital sampling organs have fixed stops - like a pipe organ and as far as I know they can not be easily changed. ( Perhaps I am wrong, I do not pay a lot = of attention to electronic organs as, quite frankly, they bore me ). The ' = New Instrument' concept throws away the concept of imitating the pipe organ = while keeping the idea of performing with two hands and two feet. OK here's a description of this thing. As you approach it it looks somewhat like the traditional organ console with two 61 note manuals and a 32 note pedal = board ( we could have more keys but lets stick with that for the sake of = arguement ). There are combination pistons and toe studs and expression pedals. But = the stops are different. There are no knobs, tilting tablets or stop keys. = Insted individual voices are controled by stop - like buttons ( I think Allen = uses something like this ) but each one has a LCD display insted of permanent printing. This is because each voice can be changed by the user. The instrument would come with default settings so it could be played right = out of the box. A multiple 'stop list' control changes the whole array. One of =   the high end sampling modules would allow 128 'stops' per division.   > What would your proposed new instrument sample and imitate? Orchestral instruments?/ Human voices?? Vacuum cleaners?? [kidding again] Something else?<   Yes. All of the above and much much more. One of the best manufacturers = sells their samplers with more than a hundred musical sounds such as Steinway piano, Bosendorfer Piano, Forte-Piano, Walker Organ, Whurlitzer Theatre Organ. Dozens of other keyboard instruments, virtually all of the = orchestral instruments, choir sounds, pop instruments, ethnic instruments. Sound = effects too. I know church musicians arent going to want things like vacuum = cleaners but how about birds chirping softly and babbeling brooks as the sounds of spring - rebirth - on easter morning. One could do their own sampling, anything that you can pick up on a microphome. The manufactures also have vast librarys available on floppy and cd rom. These units also have sequencing, looping and record - playback. I guess the whole concept = behind what I'm proposing is that manufacturers of electronic organs have been = going on with tunnel vision - to imitate the pipe organ. With modern technology = so much more is possible   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:24:38 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet   > So what does all this mean? Not all brides are idiots and some are = truly > "with it".   Hey...I'm a bride-to-be...June 16, 2001.   I'm having my children's choir sing (they're -all- invited), and Barbara Owen is going to be my organist. I've known her for over 10 years and we're getting married in her church. We're also having a trumpet and possibly a string trio-- all of whom are close friends of ours. BTW, NO Taco Bell, nor Jesu NOR Mendelssohn or Wagner. We are having the Charpentier Te Deum, and Sinfonia from Cantata #29 "We Thank The Lord" (BWV 29).   I'm SPOILED.   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:14:43 -0500   > From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> > > I'm SPOILED.   Well, OK, Rebekah, you're spoiled. But YOU're spoiled REAL GOOD!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Bob North" <bnorth@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:42:55 -0800 (PST)   >It seems to me that the theatre pipe organs from the beginning of the century were an early attempt to do what you are talking about. They have strings, reeds, percussion like an orchestra. What you are proposing, = takes this concept even further. With today's digital technology, what a sound you could get. Imagine Ode to Joy done with tuned car horns (just joking) = An interesting concept, I hope someone with the knowledge of music/digital technology/$$$ takes this to the next level. Just my thoughts, Regards.......Bob > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:35:52 EST   In a message dated 3/26/00 1:30:07 PM Central Standard Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:   << Hey...I'm a bride-to-be... >>   Hi Rebekah,   OK, and you're one of the "with it" brides. Actually, I think that you're =   above "with it" given you're excellent choice of music!   All the best,   John  
(back) Subject: Trax premiere (long harangue) xposted From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:46:49 -0500   St. Luke's, NYC   Prelude on Rhosymedre (Ralph Vaughan Williams) Postlude: Allegro maestoso e vivace from Sonata 4 (Mendelssohn) (the one with "God bless America" six notes occurring occasionally)   Visiting choir from John Marshall H.S., Rochester, Minn.   They sang for Offertory, in Hebrew, Hatikva. So much for THIS being a liturgical parish. I justified it with a bulletin note: . . . in its longingly looking forward to the fulfillment of God's promises parallels = the Christian yearning that we express in hymns like "Jerusalem the Golden," = and in our acclamation in the eucharistic prayer: "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!" Well, I tried.   At Communion they sang Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence as arr. by F. Melius and Paul Christiansen. Actually, decent. A capella.   Finally, a threesome after the Benediction: 'Tis the Evening's Holy Hour (Beethoven) Sit Down, Servant (spiritual, arr. Linda Twine) When the Saints Go Marching In (arr. Diane Bish)--I'm sorry; it was awful.   Now I'll try not to offend, but I have to tell you that this was my first exposure to "midi trax," which they used for accompaniment (using some pretty fine/expensive equipment) on the last two numbers. I've read about this stuff on the 'Net for several years, but I'd never seen/heard it done before. It seemed to be rather well done, quite professional = accompaniment, with interesting tonal voices on some sort of synthesizer. But it still came off as a ridiculous karaoke exercise! It was an INSULT! They came = to New York to play tapes and go to the Hard Rock Cafe???   I knew about this in advance, and was interested to see how it would work. I did chide the director by e-mail a week ago that it was surely clever to save bringing along a pianist by bringing the trax instead. He responded that they didn't have a piano player available that was good enough. I responded by saying that he never WILL as long as they do THIS kind of thing.   But in the actual USE of this stuff, it was vastly more disgusting than = I'd expected it to be. I told him afterward just to not bother with touring = any more; it's too expensive. Just send out CDs. We might pick out Mormon Tabernacle or King's College CDs instead of his, but that's tough.   I told the tour company rep (who sends us about three choirs in a typical spring season) not to send us any more that use electronics of any kind. It's counterproductive to the development of decent music in the schools, and revolting in the execution.   I did explain that it wasn't the use of electronics in music (like some = midi voices on a Pedal division) that was offensive, but the discouragement it gives to serious pianists/accompanists, and the utter metronomic thievery = of the conductor's interpretive freedom.   One more thing. The kids sang like dead fish. I kept awake by promising myself that "Saints Marching In," would at last have SOME life in it. = N O N E ! It was AWFUL! These poor kids had been in a motel all = night, jabbering and whatever, getting no sleep. Now, that's normal as heck! = Been there! But which is worse?   1. To travel with a choir with NO life in its voice? or 2. To travel with a choir that CAN do a fine job, but exercises no discipline, spending the night shooting the bull so they can't even wake = UP in the morning, much less perform?   What do you do with a baseball player who carouses all night and can't = find the pitcher's mound the next afternoon. (Oh, I know; you give him a = raise. But you know what I mean.)   Something's wrong. Is this what public school choral music has come = to--in MINNESOTA of all places????   Tikked,   Alan                            
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: <Dm726b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:57:53 EST   Here I go again, sticking my neck out, but here goes. Possibly, the = reason no one is answering about a totally new instrument is that this is an = ORGAN LIST!   I will not speak for anyone else, but IMNSHO, who cares?. This is an = organ list to discuss ORGANS (keyword) not something that imitates it which is = what you are doing and that is NOT new.   Just my opinion.   Cheers, Dave McPeak  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:35:40 EST   DM7 sometimes it is good to stick your neck out but I think that you may = have overlooked my main point. As Pipechat is a forum for = pipe/digital/electronic organs and related subjects I proposed that when we ( I mean we = collectivly - as instrument makers ) started building electronic organs we missed the chance to create a new instrument. The instrument that I propose does not imitate any one instrument but can imitate all instruments or indeed all sounds. This type of technology is being used only in small one manual instruments that do not make the best use of a skilled keyboardist's = talents. I have received several positive responces to this. Originally this was my =   reaction to the heated Pipes and Bytes discussion as my opinion is that it = is best to keep the media pure. If I am to continue to build pipe organs my choice is to build them without electronic voices but as I understand synthesis and sound reproduction very well I am curious if there is a call =   for a new electronic instrument.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Brides: not from my planet From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:58:43 -0500 (EST)   On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > OK, and you're one of the "with it" brides. Actually, I think that = you're > above "with it" given you're excellent choice of music!   Just wish I could say that about the REST of my plans. ;)   -Rebekah Who just finished her veil AND the favors!!    
(back) Subject: Cure for performance anxiety (don't try this at home) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:20:58 -0600     First the story. This afternoon three friends joined me for a recital at St. Agatha's, an adventure in adversity. All in all, it was a success in = my book, but many unexpected obstacles had to be hurdled to get to and = through today.   The four of us are all professionals who also happen to be organists/pianists. I asked each of them to play a selection in duo with = me and a solo, but only one ended up taking me up on the solo offer and = played two. The music was largely a short list of stuff we had talked about = doing "if we ever got a piano at St. Agatha's". Well, St. Agatha's obtained a piano and dedicated it last month with a world-class pianist (she was wonderful, and it was a great gig), so it was time for some fun.   The program was as follows (it sounds weird, I know, but it actually = worked very well):   Fantasia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 537) - J. S. Bach (Leon Curenton, organist) Concerto in C minor for Two Keyboards (BWV 1060) - J.S. Bach (primo - me = on organ, secondo - Susan Myrick on piano) - Allegro, Adagio, Allegro Largo from Piano Concerto No. 1 in C major - Beethoven (me on piano, Leon Curenton playing orchestral reduction on organ) Passacaglia - John West (Leon Curenton, organ) Dolly Suite - Gabriel Faure (James Pinckard and me on piano) - all 6 movements   Leon is a chemical engineer turned mathematician (living about 30 miles away) and church organist; Susan is a computer specialist, who also works = as a church music director and private music teacher (living about 75 miles away); James is a graphics designer for a nearby semi-famous resort = (living about 20 miles away); and I of course am a loud-mouthed lawyer and church musician. It was hard to schedule rehearsals to get us together and to = get the sound right in the acoustic (several sessions had to be elsewhere, and scheduled around business trips), but we did that. We had rain today, the great enemy of the concert series, inasmuch as most of the audience for = this series drives in from towns and cities 30-70 miles away. However, the church was full on a rainy Sunday afternoon.   Now for the big announcement - I discovered how to avoid performance anxiety. All you have to do is contract food poisoning or some form of intestinal virus about 5 days before the recital. You then wait for two days, thinking of course that it is a 24-48 hour thing that will go away = by itself, before trying to see a doctor on a Friday afternoon, who = prescribes medication that makes your malady much worse by making you want to throw = up but preventing your doing so all night long (fortunately this occurred on two nights before, not the night before, the concert, then I gave up on = the medicine). You must rehearse every evening when the body temperature hits between 100 and 101 - I'm sure this is important. Electrolytes are important - check the calcium, potassium and vitamin C levels on your juices/fluids.   The results: during the rehearsal on Saturday I was more worried about making it through the rehearsal without running for a bathroom than = messing up (figuratively) in my performance. Sunday before the recital the main issue was whether to attempt to eat anything - I opted NO (bananas were = not in the running here), and what would fit to wear (a heck of a diet - the = new suit needed alteration).   The recital was fun and went well (my friends played wonderfully), and the audience was very enthusiastic and appreciative. I didn't have to bolt during the recital, and am ready to sign deals to do commercials for MinuteMaid and chicken and rice soup. The reception looked wonderful, although I still had nothing to eat or drink there.   No, of course I don't recommend this to anyone, least of all myself. I never thought I'd miss a cheeseburger. Last week's prime rib with Massimo Nosetti seems aeons away. Oops - time for more orange juice - gotta go. Can't wait to see the desk at work tomorrow morning after three days' sick leave.   Glenda Sutton                  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:10:06 EST   In a message dated 3/25/00 9:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   << I'm kind of dissapointed in the responce to my proposal for a new instrument that does not imitate the organ. >> We really didn't mean to offend, but many of us are having enough = difficulty with the pipe organ being replaced or displaced by electrodigirrhoids, and =   don't feeling like encouraging, yea, even discussing yet another potential =   pain in our collective derriere!   Actually, I think it's a marvellous idea... and deserves it own list! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:44:56   In a message dated 3/25/00 9:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, TRACKELECT@cs.com writes: > ><< I'm kind of dissapointed in the responce to my proposal for a new >instrument > that does not imitate the organ. >>   Why reinvent the wheel? There's "digital everything" out there already...MIDI this, MIDI that...controllers, sequencers, noises of any kind of description. It's already been done. You can stack keyboards 7 high (as some synth players do) and have a digital ACCH, if you wanna.   So why bother? It's already there!   DeserTBoB