PipeChat Digest #1325 - Tuesday, March 28, 2000
 
Re: New instrument
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: New instrument
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: New instrument
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: New instrument
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: New instrument
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: New instrument
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
HELP...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Stewart Wayne Foster in FL.
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: HELP...
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: HELP...
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: HELP...
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: New instrument
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: HELP...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New instrument
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:21:48 -0500     --------------F68221E99DEACAC115F31E04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > > We really didn't mean to offend, but many of us are having enough = difficulty > with the pipe organ being replaced or displaced by electrodigirrhoids, = and > don't feeling like encouraging, yea, even discussing yet another = potential > pain in our collective derriere! > > Actually, I think it's a marvellous idea... and deserves it own list! = ;-) > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com >   Amen, Bruce!   Dave C. on PIPEchat, London, Ontario       --------------F68221E99DEACAC115F31E04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> &nbsp; <P>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp; <BR>We really didn't mean to offend, but many of us are having enough = difficulty <BR>with the pipe organ being replaced or displaced by electrodigirrhoids, and <BR>don't feeling like encouraging, yea, even discussing yet another = potential <BR>pain in our collective derriere! <P>Actually, I think it's a marvellous idea... and deserves it own = list!&nbsp; ;-) <P>Bruce <BR>. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Molly,&nbsp; Duncan,&nbsp; and = Miles&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com <BR><A HREF=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></A>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> Amen, Bruce! <P>Dave C.&nbsp; on&nbsp;&nbsp; <U>PIPE</U>chat, <BR>London, Ontario <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>   --------------F68221E99DEACAC115F31E04--    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:15:14 -0600   I have been rather disappointed by the lukewarm reaction to the suggestion of the creation of a new electronic instrument, not imitative of the pipe organ, but played with manuals and pedals rather like an organ. In a way this is what the Hammond organ was. With the drawbars on a Hammond the player creates timbres that are not necessarily like anything on a pipe organ. This, it seems to me, is what an electronic instrument is best at doing: it is genuinely creative of new sounds and not merely a poor substitute for the pipe organ. It seems to me therefore that we have a very good suggestion here: that a new instrument should be produced to produce sounds which are not merely imitative of the pipe organ. Such an instrument would create a quite different palette of sounds that would be useful to complement both pipe organs and electronic substitutes.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:46:26 -0500   I call to everyone's attention a suite by P. D. Q. Bach, "Three Chorale-Based Piecelets." Original-instrument registration calls for two lap-top Casio keyboards (Great: Casio MT-100, Swell: Casio MT-31) and includes stops such as Mandolin and Synth Fuzz. My personal favorite is the third piece, "In der Nacht so hell, der Petrus ist mein Freund."   At 09:44 PM 3/26/00 +0000, Bob wrote: >In a message dated 3/25/00 9:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, >TRACKELECT@cs.com writes: >> >><< I'm kind of dissapointed in the responce to my proposal for a new >>instrument >> that does not imitate the organ. >> > >Why reinvent the wheel? There's "digital everything" out there >already...MIDI this, MIDI that...controllers, sequencers, noises of any >kind of description. It's already been done. You can stack keyboards 7 >high (as some synth players do) and have a digital ACCH, if you wanna. > >So why bother? It's already there! >    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:35:18   At 09:15 AM 3/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I have been rather disappointed by the lukewarm reaction to the >suggestion of the creation of a new electronic instrument, not imitative >of the pipe organ, but played with manuals and pedals rather like an >organ. In a way this is what the Hammond organ was. With the drawbars >on a Hammond the player creates timbres that are not necessarily like >anything on a pipe organ. This, it seems to me, is what an electronic >instrument is best at doing: it is genuinely creative of new sounds and >not merely a poor substitute for the pipe organ.z.<snip>   Folks, it's been done already, has been for years. Wersi, Electone, Technics...these "play" like organs, but don't sound anything like 'em.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:07:59 -0500     --------------5C1259EDFBEA7A054325171E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       John L. Speller wrote:   > I have been rather disappointed by the lukewarm reaction to the > suggestion of the creation of a new electronic instrument, not imitative > of the pipe organ, but played with manuals and pedals rather like an > organ. In a way this is what the Hammond organ was. With the drawbars > on a Hammond the player creates timbres that are not necessarily like > anything on a pipe organ. This, it seems to me, is what an electronic > instrument is best at doing: it is genuinely creative of new sounds and > not merely a poor substitute for the pipe organ. It seems to me > therefore that we have a very good suggestion here: that a new > instrument should be produced to produce sounds which are not merely > imitative of the pipe organ. Such an instrument would create a quite > different palette of sounds that would be useful to complement both pipe > organs and electronic substitutes. > > John Speller >   Great, John, but we'll have to start an new list for the thing. We could call it "moog-l"   Dave C. London, Ont.       --------------5C1259EDFBEA7A054325171E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> &nbsp; <P>John L. Speller wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE>I have been rather disappointed by the lukewarm = reaction to the <BR>suggestion of the creation of a new electronic instrument, not = imitative <BR>of the pipe organ, but played with manuals and pedals rather like an <BR>organ.&nbsp; In a way this is what the Hammond organ was.&nbsp; With the drawbars <BR>on a Hammond the player creates timbres that are not necessarily like <BR>anything on a pipe organ.&nbsp; This, it seems to me, is what an = electronic <BR>instrument is best at doing: it is genuinely creative of new sounds and <BR>not merely a poor substitute for the pipe organ.&nbsp; It seems to me <BR>therefore that we have a very good suggestion here: that a new <BR>instrument should be produced to produce sounds which are not merely <BR>imitative of the pipe organ.&nbsp; Such an instrument would create a quite <BR>different palette of sounds that would be useful to complement both pipe <BR>organs and electronic substitutes. <P>John Speller <BR><A HREF=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></A>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> Great, John,&nbsp; but we'll have to start an new list for the = thing.&nbsp; We could call it "moog-l" <P>Dave C. <BR>London, Ont. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>   --------------5C1259EDFBEA7A054325171E--    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:24:09 -0500   Good heavens to Betsy! What are the others?   Alan   > From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com>   > "In der Nacht so hell, der Petrus ist mein Freund."    
(back) Subject: HELP... From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:37:33 EST   I need some help. As organists (I included this part to make it applicable to Pipechat) play =   the preludes and postludes, the acolytes walk down the isle to either = light or extinguish the candles on the altar.   Besides, "candle lighter/snuffer", what is the officia (proper) name of = these little dodads?   Musically, Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Stewart Wayne Foster in FL. From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:48:44 -0600   Since there seem to be two concurrent threads going on both PipeChat and PIPORG-L about Concert programs I am cross-posting this to both lists.   Last Saturday night, Stewart Wayne Foster, the winner of the First Dallas Competition, played the following program at Christ Our Savior Lutheran Church in Panama City Beach, Florida.   Grand Choeur alla Handel - Guilmant   Sheep May Safely Graze - J.S. Bach   Sinfonia, Chorale and Variations on "Christ Lay in Death's Dark Prison" - J.S. Bach, arr. E.P Biggs   Prelude and Fugue in A minor, BWV 543 - J.S. Bach   Offertoire du 5 me Ton (La Vive le Roy des Parisians) - Raison   Meditation on "My Shepherd Will Supply My Need" - Robert Hebble   Toccata on "Old 100th" - Jack Jones   Intermission   Adagio in G minor - Albinoni   Litanies - J. Alain   Chorale No 2 in B minor - Franck   Prelude and Fugue on B.A.C.H. - Liszt   Tu es Petrus (Esquisses Byzantines) - Mulet     To start with, Panama City Beach is not what I would call a hot-bed of culture, it is better known for it's beaches and resorts and for the influx of the "Spring Break" kids, which this recital fell right in the middle of. Christ Our Savior Church is a small, maybe seating 200 - 250 people, modern church that has a several years old Rodgers 3 manual instrument. But first of all I do have commend the church for at least attempting to put on a concert series, something many other churches here along the Florida Panhandle coast that have better facilities don't even attempt. I know of three other organ concerts they have sponsored over the last couple of years including one a couple of years ago with Frederick Swann so I know that they are putting a fair amount of money into providing these concerts and I have to congratulate them for their commitment and courage.   John Lydick, the Director of Music, in doing his introduction of Wayne asked the audience how many people had never attended an organ concert before and there were a fair number of hands raised. He assured them that they were in for a treat, which they were.   Wayne's playing was absolutely wonderful from an organists point of view. He has prodigious technique and you could tell that he was very secure with the music he was playing unlike some other recitals I have heard recently where you could almost feel the person playing wrestling with the score. I have heard Wayne perform previously and I told him over dinner that I could see his growth over the last couple of years, that there was a freedom that wasn't there previously.   The console was moved to "front and center" of the church where the audience could watch and as a matter of fact, John Lydick invited folks to move down front where they could see better. Since the size of the church is rather small there really isn't any seat that is better soundwise whether you are sitting at the very front or the very back. And they did have a good "show" to watch along with listening to the wonderful music. Wayne didn't sit there like he had an iron pole running up his back like I have seen at many recitals but he moved around and when there was a big chord he "leaned" into it. There was also plenty of head movements, almost reminiscent of Virgil Fox. Actually, I kidded him later asking if he had been watching some of Virgil's old video tapes to get some of his gestures <G>. Wayne's gestures did remind me a bit of watching Virgil but not to the exaggerated extent that Virgil did. BUT he made it look like he was ENJOYING himself, which I really think he was, while he was playing the program and I am sure that carried through to the audience. He also did do some hand registration and stop additions/subtractions during certain pieces unlike so many people that depend on the total use of pistons. The audience actually got to see him do something other than just pushing down the keys. And in those sections of pieces, like the Mulet, where there is crossing of the hands he did a large enough gesture/sweep of his left hand/arm that the audience SAW it - something that added even more visual appeal.   Wayne is a very personable and he did talk to the audience and did so not in the way that I have heard some recitalists do, that is he didn't talk DOWN to the audience. He talked about the two themes that were running through his program, the one of the anniversary of J.S. Bach and the other the theme of Lent. And he related how the music worked into these themes. He also, prior to the Amin Prelude and Fugue, did a bit of an explanation of what a fugue is and played the subject and some of its subsequent entrances so that people would be able to recognize it. He did the same thing with the Liszt - explaining the German system of notation and then playing the theme so the audience could recognize it throughout the piece.   He also, as part of his little "chats" with the audience gave some of the history of the composers and the pieces, all of which made it more interesting to listen to especially since he did pick so "BIG" works for this program. And I use the word "Chat" with the audience because he did his little talks in such a way that the audience didn't feel that they were being lectured in a music history course, as I have heard at other recitals. And just prior to the "Sheep May Safely Graze" he threw out a little joke about "sometimes sheep do go astray" and then at the recapitulation in the third section did a little "addition" to Bach's score. i don't know how many of the audience "got it" but it was a little cute addition!   He also made the church feel that they have a good instrument and praised them on their Rodgers. And he did use everything that it had to offer, including some of the MIDI voices and the Antiphonal section. Yes, I would have preferred to hear him perform on a good sized pipe organ but those are few and far between in this section of the country. But he didn't act like he was bored with it or was looking down his nose at it. He used it as if it was the Greatest instrument ever built!! And I am sure that means a lot to the church members that were in attendance. And because of that I have a feeling that they will continue this series of recitals.   How did the audience react you may ask - the LOVED it!!! Wayne made some friends for us organists on Saturday night. I was sitting about half way back and was watching the audience reactions and you could tell that they were enjoying the performance. When the pedal solo came in the Bach Prelude, you could see the amazement on their faces that he was doing that with his feet. There were THREE Standing ovations throughout the program, the first after the Albinoni, the second following the Liszt and then at the end everyone "jumped" up as soon as the final chord was released on the Mulet. They really enjoyed themselves.   I know that this has turned into a very long posting and I hope that I haven't bored everyone to death with it but as I see it folks, we need many, many more recitals like this one to gain Friends for our chosen instrument. Unfortunately, it seems that for every recital like this one there are many more of the "academic" type recitals, which to me are DEADLY. Wayne didn't play down to the audience, as you can see he did some really wonderful and difficult works, especially in his programming of the second half. But the way he played them and the way he explained them I don't think the audience felt like it was way over their heads.   A couple of other comments about the church's arrangements for this recital. John Lydick had arranged a couple of Radio/TV interviews with local stations for Wayne to promote the event and i know that they also had some newspaper coverage to draw an audience - a novel concept isn't it? Also, there were sponsors, businesses in the area, that had business card type of ads in the program booklet and there were pews set aside for those sponsors with large signs on the end letting everyone know that those pews were for the sponsors. And one of the sponsors also donated a dinner for two that was awarded to an audience member by having a small notation on the back of one of the tickets. All of this again more outreach to build the audience. How many of us have ever done anything like that? Maybe we need to take a lesson from this little concert in a place that many people probably feel is a little backwater town. But I think there are lots of lessons to be learned all the way around.   Finally, if you have the chance to hear Stewart Wayne Foster in recital make it a point of doing so!! i drove over there from Pensacola, which is a 2 and a half hour drive each way to attend and am very glad i did. And better yet, if you are in a position to arrange to have him come do a recital in your area do so - you will be very glad you did and you might help make some more friends for the organ.   Best wishes,   David ************************* David Scribner Sub-Dean, Pensacola Chapter, AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP... From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:27:09 -0800   "The brass thingies that the acolytes whack the candles with to squish the = wicks down and make them hard to light and make the blue-hairs on the Altar = Guild crazy."   KriderSM@aol.com wrote:   > I need some help. > As organists (I included this part to make it applicable to Pipechat) = play > the preludes and postludes, the acolytes walk down the isle to either = light > or extinguish the candles on the altar. > > Besides, "candle lighter/snuffer", what is the officia (proper) name of = these > little dodads? > > Musically, > Stan Krider > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP... From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:58:00 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <KriderSM@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: HELP...   > Besides, "candle lighter/snuffer", what is the officia (proper) name of these > little dodads?   We always called the "Torchbearers"....      
(back) Subject: Re: HELP... From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:04:14 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 7:27 PM Subject: Re: HELP...     > "The brass thingies that the acolytes whack the candles with to squish = the wicks > down and make them hard to light and make the blue-hairs on the Altar Guild > crazy."   SNUFFERS!!!!    
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:16:15 -0500   The first is "Orally" ("Love me tender, love me true . . ."). The second is "An American Hymn for the Last Sunday Before the Fourth Day of the Seventh Month After New Year's Eve" ("Yankee Doodle," done in a very baroque style). The tune for the third, BTW, is "Au Clair de la Lune."   At 06:24 PM 3/27/00 -0500, Alan Freed wrote: >Good heavens to Betsy! What are the others? > >Alan > >> From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> > >> "In der Nacht so hell, der Petrus ist mein Freund." > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:50:31 EST   In a message dated 3/27/00 6:38:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, = KriderSM@aol.com writes:   << As organists (I included this part to make it applicable to Pipechat) = play the preludes and postludes, the acolytes walk down the isle to either = light or extinguish the candles on the altar. Besides, "candle lighter/snuffer", what is the officia (proper) name of these little dodads? >>   These little doodads are "candle lighters" which have two functions: lighting with tapers which are candle wicks dipped in a small amount of wax; extinguising candles with a "bell" or snuffer. In common usage, the =   entire apparatus is called a taper or lighter. A torchbearer is the = acolyte who carries a torch which is usually also a pavement lamp. For the = actual answer, sneak into the church office during Sunday School and snitch the = Almy catalog! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS  
(back) Subject: Re: New instrument From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:52:52 EST   In a message dated 3/27/00 11:16:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, efrowe@mindspring.com writes:   << The first is "Orally" ("Love me tender, love me true . . ."). >> Not that I missed the humor, but wouldn't her mother prefer her name to be =   spelled "Ora Lee"??? ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://community.webtv.net/cremona84000/ALLHAILTHEPOWERand http://community.webtv.net/hydrant/TheBeaglesNest http://community.webtv.net/bruco/STORIESINGLASS