PipeChat Digest #1327 - Wednesday, March 29, 2000
 
Re: HELP...
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Mice...
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Candlelighters
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Ft. Worth Tornado - Cross-Posted
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Ft Worth Tornado
  by "Peder" <peder@carg.com>
Re: Mice...
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Candlelighters
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Candlelighters
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net>
PLEASE READ  Re: Candlelighters
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Candlelighters
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
re-popularising the organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Candlelighters
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
music suggestions
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
 



(back) Subject: Re: HELP... From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:54:12 -0400   Personally (playing two a different churches), I think that charring a Wicks might be a step in the right direction!   At 8:05 PM -0400 3/28/0, dougcampbell@juno.com wrote: > >> >> Ron Natalie wrote: >> >> > Bert Atwood wrote: >> > > >> > > My Webster Dictionary gives the following definition (#2) for >> "snuff": The >> > > charred portion of a wick. - v.t. 1 To crop the snuff from (a >> wick). 2 To >> > > put out or extinguish: with out. [ME snoffe] >> > > >> > The second is the later abuse of the term. >> > >Personally, I think anything to do with charring a Wicks is abuse ! > > >Douglas A. Campbell >Skaneateles, NY > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Mice... From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:58:11 -0400   I had one last Sunday- warming up the choir at the piano before the service, I felt a tickling on my foot (I play in socks, usually). Looking down, there was a small grey mouse chewing on my toe. After a yelp, a couple of choir members helped move the piano and ushered the visitor out. Times must be tough for church mice if they have to turn to organists for sustenance!   The minister had me stand up in the announcements/concerns moments and relate the event to the congregation.   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Candlelighters From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:11:29 -0500   After looking in several catalogs, I find that Concordia (LCMS) calls them candlelighters and only has ones that use a wax taper.   Augsburg (ELCA) calls them candlelighter/extinguishers with a bell-shaped snuffer (their word), with wax tapers.   Cokesbury (Meth and Epis) calls them candlelighter/extinguishers as well.   Ryan (RC) calls them candlelighters.   I remember that the Church of St. Michael and All Angels in Baltimore(VEDDY-HIGH EPISCOPAL) had some with small gas cartridges in = them, so the flame burned bright and spurted out from the tip of the candlelighter. It made lighting the candle much easier and sure, even if the tip of the candle wick was buried or bent over.   Why don't we come up with an appropriate liturgical name for these lighters. Who knows some greek or latin? I'll bet in German the name would be quite long and descriptive.   Paul R. Swank Organist/Choirmaster (Retired) Baltimore, Maryland    
(back) Subject: Re: Ft. Worth Tornado - Cross-Posted From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:31:54 -0800 (PST)   I just spoke with one of Roy Redman's workers, who told me that the shop is unaffected by the tornado. However, downtown Ft. Worth is pretty much closed, in part due to all the glass that might just fall onto people. I think the steeple that kept showing up in some of the news scene reports was that of First UMC, but it's been a few years.   Steve Ohmer Bartlesville OK   --- PipeLuvr@aol.com wrote: > Informational only . . . > > We are monitoring reports of a tornado which > struck the downtown Ft. Worth > area shortly after sundown tonight causing > significant damage. While the > exact perimeters of the damage haven't been > determined, the media coverage > would place the storm very close to Roy > Redmon's pipeorgan business. Initial > reports do indicate injuries in the affected > area and all off-duty Fort Worth > police and firefighters have been ordered to > report for duty. More > information should be out later tonight. > > I know that Roy is a member of the Piporg-l > list (haven't re-applyed for > posting rights there), and possibly PipeChat > and has an outstanding > reputation as a builder in this area. If > anyone has contact with him, please > let usknow if they were affected by the storm. > > Bob Acker > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Ft Worth Tornado From: "Peder" <peder@carg.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:48:54 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01BF9963.FEAE21A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I'm quite happy to hear that Roy's shop was not affected. I've played =3D one of his instruments before and found it quite appealing in both =3D quality of workmanship and sound. Blessing abound! Peder   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01BF9963.FEAE21A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I'm quite happy to hear that Roy's = =3D shop was not=3D20 affected. I've played one of his instruments before and found it quite =3D appealing=3D20 in both quality of workmanship and sound. Blessing =3D abound!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Peder</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01BF9963.FEAE21A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Mice... From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:07:57 -0500   Want a cat? My Molly is a real bad-ass, would consider your visitor a tasty treat.   Evie   At 07:58 AM 3/29/00 -0400, Paul wrote: >I had one last Sunday- warming up the choir at the piano before the >service, I felt a tickling on my foot (I play in socks, usually). Looking >down, there was a small grey mouse chewing on my toe. After a yelp, a >couple of choir members helped move the piano and ushered the visitor = out. >Times must be tough for church mice if they have to turn to organists for >sustenance! > >The minister had me stand up in the announcements/concerns moments and >relate the event to the congregation. > >Paul > >http://www.sover.net/~popel > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Candlelighters From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:10:22 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul R. Swank <prswank@bellatlantic.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: Candlelighters   > I remember that the Church of St. Michael and All Angels in > Baltimore(VEDDY-HIGH EPISCOPAL) had some with small gas cartridges in them, > so the flame burned bright and spurted out from the tip of the > candlelighter. It made lighting the candle much easier and sure, even = if > the tip of the candle wick was buried or bent over.   Uhh....isn't that called a -blowtorch-????   > Why don't we come up with an appropriate liturgical name for these > lighters. Who knows some greek or latin? I'll bet in German the name > would be quite long and descriptive.   Die Kerzeanzuendendinge   Literally translated: The candlelightingthingy        
(back) Subject: Re: Candlelighters From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:52:01 -0500   >> Why don't we come up with an appropriate liturgical name for these >> lighters. Who knows some greek or latin? I'll bet in German the name >> would be quite long and descriptive. >Die Kerzeanzuendendinge >Literally translated: The candlelightingthingy   I was thinking more along the line of:   "kirkekandelschtartendeservicemitpoppenundflamenspurtenoutgeschticke"   Paul.    
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ Re: Candlelighters From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:00:40 -0600   OK, folks,   There was a serious question asked - which I don't mind but we are getting way off the topic of this list. Some of the recent replies have been "cute" BUT there reaches a point where we need to move on.   Sorry to "butt-in" on this thread but I also noticed from yesterday's statistics for the list that we have had a whole group of people unsubscribe, most likely because of the recent postings. So please, let us move on to topics that are more germane to the purpose of the list.   I really "hate" having to do posting like this one but there does come a time - I was really hoping that it would die out on its own but that doesn't seem to happen. I know that we all need a bit of relief but I have really been looking for more postings on the topic that was brought up recently about how to make our chosen instrument more "popular" in the eyes of the general public. How about we get back onto that topic, which is one that really has and will have an affect on us all?   Happy Pipe Chatting!!   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Candlelighters From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:46:03 -0500   > From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> > > Die Kerzeanzuendendinge > > Literally translated: The candlelightingthingy > When someone suggested coming up with a name for it, I groaned, "Oh, no!"   You have proved me wrong. Excellent, Frau Ingram!   Alan    
(back) Subject: re-popularising the organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:59:41 -0800   First of all, it seems (from the limited info I have from abroad) that the decline of the organ is mostly in English-speaking countries, who in turn seem to have taken the most radical (may one say "lemming-like"?) approach to liturgical "reform".   I cannot address the popularity of the organ outside of the church ... I am a church musician. I like to listen to the occasional theatre organ, concert organ or municipal organ, but those aren't within my area of expertise.   In all honesty, how does one address a comment like "the organ is a phallic symbol of male power and domination" ? ... a direct quote from a member of the fair sex after I completed the installation of an ELECTRONIC organ in an evangelical (!) church.   Or the commercials of the mega-churches that list the organ among the things that epitomize "everything that was wrong with church"?   Or the CONSTANT playing of the T&F in d minor in vampire and other horror movies? That and weddings (are the two related? [evil grin] ) seem to be the two popular images of the organ in the media.   If one wants to carp about negative images and stereotypes, most organists portrayed in films and TV shows are elderly ladies (sorry, but that's the truth) with two left feet, who are played for comic relief. Think about Pearl in the Church Lady skits, or the organist on "Remember WENN" ... well, at least SHE plays a vintage Hammond in vintage soap opera style. But half the time she's shown at the console of a REED organ, with HAMMOND sounds in the background. DUH!   Not to mention shots of magnificent organ-cases with a Hammond wailing in the background.   There is SOME justice in the world, though ... a professional wrestler was portrayed pounding on a Hammond in the Atlantic City Auditorium while the be-piped behemoth ROARED in the background ... surely one of the great moments in TV history for the pipe organ (anybody who bought a B-3 on the strength of THAT is gonna be WAY disappointed [grin] ).   Job security, compensation, benefits, retirement, RESPECT ... these are all thorny issues ... and I must say that the AGO hasn't done much to address them at the national level. True, the NYC chapter is strong enough that they can call a job action on St. Mary the Virgin and make it stick (one presumes, anyway ... I haven't seen an announcement of a new organist being appointed), but most local chapters engage in a lot of hand-wringing (and not much else) when someone is unjustly persecuted and/or dismissed.   Part of it is our fault, or at least the universities' fault ... look at the credentials of the organists who FOUNDED the Guild and compare them with the credentials of most organists today. You used to have to pass the FAGO exam just to get INTO the Guild; then the AAGO was instituted for those who couldn't pass the FAGO; then the requirement was dropped altogether. Even a respected conservatory like Oberlin wasn't purveying anything resembling a well-rounded musical eduction for organists back in the 1960s.   Organists at the turn of the last century were much more likely to be respected composers in other mediums, and master teachers. As the century wore on, the organ world became more and more insular, culminating in the organ-recitals-for-organists genre that came in with the baroque revival's excesses. We simply can't AFFORD to exist in that kind of musical vacuum.   My congregation doesn't give a fig about what I play for voluntaries ... and, given the nature of the Hammond/Suzuki bread-burner that I play, I don't blame them. On the other hand, they care DEEPLY, comment often, and write LARGE checks in support of the CHOIR. Of course, in fairness, it IS the choir that they hear 90% of the time during the High Mass, with the H/S VERY much in the background, and it will STAY that way until we get a decent instrument.   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: Re: Candlelighters From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:18:58 -0800 (PST)       --- "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > >> Why don't we come up with an appropriate > liturgical name for these > > "kirkekandelschtartendeservicemitpoppenundflamenspurtenoutgeschticke"     The above would most certainly be my choice of titles. It's more upscale than the "candleputterouter."   Wasting away (hah!) in Bartlesville Steve O   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: music suggestions From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:23:47 -0800 (PST)   This year we are having several "themed" concerts at the church, mostly with the organ, but sometimes with other instruments.   A. A Musical Vacation (who knows where this trip might lead?)   B. A Trip to the Musical Zoo (all titles having animal names)   C. Look! Up In the Sky! (stars, planets, etc.)   I've started gathering some titles and pieces, but my brain is quickly running dry. Do any of you folks have some suggestions or ideas?   Thanks for you help.   steveohmer   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com