PipeChat Digest #1329 - Thursday, March 30, 2000
 
Re: re-populariZing the organ (long)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
VIRUS WARNING
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Request to..............
  by "Lloyd & Ginny Cornue" <lcornue@genevaonline.com>
Re: re-popularising the organ
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Rie Hiroe-Lang in recital
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: re-popularising the organ
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Email address?  triple posted
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Friends in Italy?  Triple Posted again
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: Rie Hiroe-Lang in recital
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: VIRUS WARNING
  by "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net>
 



(back) Subject: Re: re-populariZing the organ (long) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:03:41   At 09:59 AM 3/29/2000 -0800, Bud from St. Matt's-by-the-Burger-King wrote: >In all honesty, how does one address a comment like "the organ is a >phallic symbol of male power and domination" ? ... a direct quote from a >member of the fair sex after I completed the installation of an ELECTRONIC >organ in an evangelical (!) church. > >Or the commercials of the mega-churches that list the organ among the >things that epitomize "everything that was wrong with church"?   In my opinion, as unpopular as it usually is, all denominations are suffering due to the 'tilt-up' industry started by the likes of charlatans Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, as well as others. The "charismatic/evangelistic" (I call it "snake oil") industry grew quickly by telling it's prospects that "everything's OK...as long as you BELIEVE"...and "Pass The Loot". I call it "theology-on-the-fly" or "theology for profit, not by prophets". What tripe.   Latest figures published in the Los Angeles Times show mainline denominations suffering another year of decline of membership, typically 1% per year, but, for the first year, "independents" and "community churchs" have also started to decline. My feeling is that the "tilt-ups" are starting to fail, fueled by public cynicism stoked by a dose of reality. Mainline denominations, however, are suffering from a general aging and "thinning out" of the age group that has been their more ardent supporters. The cynicism of the younger relations of these members prevents them from being active, and, IMHO, one can hardly blame them.   Again, this further backs up my feeling that, as organists and organ builders and technicians, we had, as a group, better start looking to secularize the instrument to a much greater degree than we've seen in the last 70 years or so. If we do not, the instrument is sure to die off along with its hosts, the mainline denominations, as the cancers of the "tilt-ups" and televangelism continues to syphon membership and funds away from them.   >Or the CONSTANT playing of the T&F in d minor in vampire and other horror >movies?<snip>   I propose that BWV 565 be nicknamed "The Ubiquitous". After all, we have the "St. Anne", "The Wedge", "The Great", and so on. Another name candidate could be "The Overexposed".   >Job security, compensation, benefits, retirement, RESPECT ... these are >all thorny issues ... and I must say that the AGO hasn't done much to >address them at the national level. True, the NYC chapter is strong enough >that they can call a job action on St. Mary the Virgin and make it stick<snip>   As it is in the Labor Movement, New York is a lasting stronghold of collective action and solidarity among workers, despite efforts by "Nasty Man" Guilliani and his friends to do otherwise. In my lifetime, I've never seen the AGO act as a true "guild"; rather, it functions as a cliquish club in most areas. The New York Chapter should serve as a beacon for others to home in on. There are some areas of ferment among members, where "blacklists" exist that make it nearly impossible for churches to find organists if they do not treat AGO members with respect and dignity that they deserve as musicians and working people. However, they are in the minority. I spent my working life in the Labor Movement, and know what the power of collective action can do if done properly. Thus, I lay the blame for the organists' lot on themselves for not banding together for their common welfare, as is the premise of guilds and unions.   >(one presumes, anyway ... I haven't seen an announcement of a new organist >being appointed), but most local chapters engage in a lot of hand-wringing >(and not much else) when someone is unjustly persecuted and/or dismissed.   "Weak sister syndrome". Many union locals are guilty of the same thing.   >Part of it is our fault, or at least the universities' fault ... look at >the credentials of the organists who FOUNDED the Guild and compare them >with the credentials of most organists today. You used to have to pass the >FAGO exam just to get INTO the Guild; then the AAGO was instituted for >those who couldn't pass the FAGO; then the requirement was dropped >altogether. Even a respected conservatory like Oberlin wasn't purveying >anything resembling a well-rounded musical eduction for organists back in >the 1960s.   True enough. The AGO system of letters paralleled the apprentice system, to a degree, used historically in guilds and unions, and still in use in the construction trade unions. It was, long ago, a guarantee of quality of the member's knowledge and work, much as is the guarantee of quality and knowledge of a foreman-qualified journeyman in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. However, many industrial unions chose to forego being involved with member qualification, leaving that matter up to the employer, unfortunately, and preferring instead just to collect dues. One could say the same about the AGO.   >Organists at the turn of the last century were much more likely to be >respected composers in other mediums, and master teachers. As the century >wore on, the organ world became more and more insular, culminating in the >organ-recitals-for-organists genre that came in with the baroque revival's >excesses. We simply can't AFFORD to exist in that kind of musical vacuum.   Well, as BrewSe says, you can't blame EVERYTHING on the "Baroque Revival" of that time. E. Power Biggs and others made Bach on authentic instruments, with alledgedly authentic performances, a rather popular medium. Biggs' records sales at Columbia bore that out throughout the 1960's, as did receipts for his recitals.   >My congregation doesn't give a fig about what I play for voluntaries ... >and, given the nature of the Hammond/Suzuki bread-burner that I play, I >don't blame them. On the other hand, they care DEEPLY, comment often, and >write LARGE checks in support of the CHOIR. Of course, in fairness, it IS >the choir that they hear 90% of the time during the High Mass, with the >H/S VERY much in the background, and it will STAY that way until we get a >decent instrument.<snip>   Knowing the 825, this is most probably a wise idea! However, my experience with an RC parish long ago was a bit different. They had built a large, quasi-Romanesque barn seating about 1200 in 1957, after years in a converted WWII "portable" Army barracks from Patton's Camp Haan. A cadre of parishioners wanted to fund pipes, and procured competitive bids from M=F6ller and Wicks (don't laugh...this was progress for an RC parish at the time.) A political fight ensued, and the pastor, always the omnipotent in any RC parish, made the decision to shelve the pipes idea, use the money gathered to date for expansion of the all-boys high school loosely associated with the parish, and install a Hammond RT-3 with four HR-40 tone cabinets.   I came along much later, after years of droning accompaniments of "Holy God.." and "Tantrum Ego", played on the factory-set presets. This was after V-II, so true hymns were now allowed. I had been told throughout my training to avoid Hammonds at all costs, and really didn't know what to do with one. So, I read Irwin's, Heaps', Grudin's and Nelson's tomes on the subject of the tonewheeled appliance, and learned much about components of pipe voicing in the process. Gone were the droning accompaniments from hoaky Hammond presets, and new, fresh registrations and effects were used. The result was pretty robust congregational singing, and new appreciation for music played before, during and after the Mass. It was all very gratifying, and I was young enough to endure the limitations placed on me by the Hammond. I was even asked if I would "recitalize" there, but refused, choosing instead to invite parishioners to various Protestant churches with instruments of stature where I would play in recital.   However, an arch-conservative music major (from none other than the Holy Ghost Fathers' alma mater, Duquesne University, thus giving her some sort of "imprimatur") volunteered to become choir director (at no stipend, of course), and began to accuse me of trying to "protestantize the Catholic Church". She even suggested I should be excommunicated for using "Ein Feste Burg", and for dragging innocent Catholics away and into Protestant churches to hear "unholy" music! I was told I was "no longer needed", the droning resumed (after they had all the presets restored to "factory specifications"), and a diet of chant in English, along with endless repetitions of the Catholic "Big Three" ("Holy God...", "Tantrum Ego" and "O Salute Taurus") ensued. Despite the "new" liturgy, the sounds in that barn returned to a freshened-up form of the early 20th century dreck common to all parishes in that age. A pitched battle ensued in the parish, the pipes were long forgotton (and the money for same squandered elsewhere), the pastor was mysteriously replaced, and the result was "gee-tar Masses", "mariachi Masses", and the like. Active membership began dropping instantly, and now, the entire active membership of the parish would barely fill half the nave.   However, for a time, there WAS some genuine interest from congregants in the music, there was some robust (if not really good) congregational singing, and there WAS some genuine organ literature heard there. All this was swept away by nattering ladies in tennis shoes who would call Pope John XXIII a "communist". The results were obvious. So, then, let Le Grande Hammonde sing out...as best you can...lest your congregants forget even what organ music sounds like! Perhaps, a large enough number will be interested enough to press Rector Fergus McCheapniss to solicit funds for a decent instrument!   DeserTBoB  
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(back) Subject: Re: re-popularising the organ From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:24:56 -0500     <<<<In all honesty, how does one address a comment like "the organ is a phallic symbol of male power and domination" ? ... a direct quote from a member of the fair sex after I completed the installation of an ELECTRONIC organ in an evangelical (!) church.>>>>   I have a whole page of sneaky comebacks, which of course I can't find in = the mail program so I'll have to type the best ones for you.   Have fun, Diane S.   I don't work here, I'm a consultant.   It sounds like English, but I don't understand a word you're saying.   I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.   I like you, you remind me of when I was young and stupid.   I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.   I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you.   You are validating my inherent distrust of strangers.   Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of = view.   Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.   The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.   It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off.   Yes, I'm an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.   Who me? I just wander from room to room.   I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce.              
(back) Subject: Rie Hiroe-Lang in recital From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:33:16 -0600   No, I am not vying for Malcolm's position on the list of giving reviews of recitals. No one can do it like Malcolm - he is so erudite, and I fear my list of synonyms and adjectives is quite small, and my thesaurus is God knows where. However, this was such a good recital I wanted to share a little of my impressions.   After working all day on foreclosures, prisoner petitions, requests to unseal adoption files, and the usual legal fare on my desk, I drove to Pensacola Tuesday evening to help set up a small reception hosted by the Pensacola AGO Chapter honoring Rie Hiroe-Lang, who performed in recital at Christ Church Pensacola as part of its Music at Christ Church Series. = Still weak from recovering from last week's illness, I made some sort of deal = with Ken Karadin, Choirmaster at Christ Church, that I would turn pages for Rie if he would make the punch for the reception, a make-shift recipe we came = up with on the telephone that afternoon. I quickly met Rie, grabbed her = music and sneaked into the church to set up in an inconspicuous spot by the console.   Well, that hour and a half blew me totally away - if I had had my organ shoes afterward they would have been unceremoniously deposited in a = dumpster in my utter despair. Wow! I'm still not recovered - I didn't even go to the church today and practice, still reeling from her performance. She is truly amazing. The program was as follows:   Bach - Prelude & Fugue in E-flat major, S. 552 Vater unser im Himmelreich, S. 682 Jesus Christus, unser Heiland, der vor uns den Zorn Gottes = wandt, S. 688 Mozart - Andante in F major, K. 616 Franck - Prelude, Fugue and Variation in B minor, Op. 18 Vierne - Naiades Mendelssohn - Prelude & Fugue in C minor Schumann - Three Fugues from "Six Fugues on B-A-C-H", Nos. 2, 5, 6   I thought to myself, "Nice program - no surprises here." Wrong. She made short work making the Bach look and sound like my first grade recital tour de force. Here was this pretty petite girl making everything look like a picnic, and it sounded so perfect. She was never off or flustered, and never exhibited any emotion. Every movement was only what was necessary = and flawlessly executed. I thought, "Nice job," but no - she didn't stop = there. The music got progressively more difficult and amazing, and she just kept = on coming. The Vater unser, never a picnic, was followed by the Jesus Christus, unser Heiland - breathtaking (something I don't remember saying about any chorale prelude).   The Mozart was the calmest piece in the storm, followed by the also calm Franck, both very well done. Then the Vierne, the most brilliant piece of the program and probably all year, bathed me with a moment of = unadulterated permanent green-eyed envy for one who could play so dreamily. What = utterly gorgeous music - I was afraid for my eyes to leave the music for fear I would lose my place and forget to turn the page for her. The Mendelssohn was done quick and strong, no wrestling match for Rie. One almost never hears the Schumann, and that's a shame - they are such intricate, challenging and wonderful musical selections.   Immediately after playing the last piece, she turned and shook my hand. = She is a wonderful, warm and interesting person, as we learned during the reception afterward. She is traveling to Minnesota and New York, among other venues, so you should really make a point to hear her. After = hearing the Italian romanticism of Massimo Nosetti two weeks ago, it was an interesting foil to hear the Eastern and German influence present in the utter precision of Rie Hiroe-Lang - a truly beautiful performer in every way.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: re-popularising the organ From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:35:29 -0500   Good answers, but one can always respond that it depends on whether the player in question has an oversupply of testosterone. Since my rap on the subject started a flame war on PipeOrg-L a couple of years ago, I won't go there this time. Since I suspect that the context in which this came up was one where the organist was either a volunteer housewife or the parochial school music teacher, I'm surprised that the person who said = that could have gotten that idea.   At 08:24 PM 3/29/00 -0500, Diane S. wrote: > ><<<<In all honesty, how does one address a comment like "the organ is a >phallic symbol of male power and domination" ? ... a direct quote from a >member of the fair sex after I completed the installation of an = ELECTRONIC >organ in an evangelical (!) church.>>>> > >I have a whole page of sneaky comebacks, which of course I can't find in = the >mail program so I'll have to type the best ones for you. > >Have fun, >Diane S. > >I don't work here, I'm a consultant. > >It sounds like English, but I don't understand a word you're saying. > >I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. > >I like you, you remind me of when I was young and stupid. > >I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message. > >I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you. > >You are validating my inherent distrust of strangers. > >Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of = view. > >Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental. > >The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. > >It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off. > >Yes, I'm an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial. > >Who me? I just wander from room to room. > >I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce. > > > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Email address? triple posted From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:24 -0600   Someone contacted me today asking if Bob Ralston has an email address. = Does anyone know if he does? Thanks. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com        
(back) Subject: Friends in Italy? Triple Posted again From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:20:34 -0600   It seems there are some international members on this list, so I thought this would be worth asking. Next Thursday, April 6, I'm going to be visiting Italy for a week. I'll = be staying outside of Florence for about a week, and then I'll be heading to Rome for a couple of days before I come home. I'm hoping to cram in a lot of relaxing topped of by some sightseeing. I would like to see any organs in the area I could. Are there any list members in this part of the = world? I would be anxious to make some new friends. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Rie Hiroe-Lang in recital From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:09:02 EST   In a message dated 3/29/00 9:30:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   << No, I am not vying for Malcolm's position on the list of giving reviews = of recitals. >>   I am so glad, because I really need the money!!! And thanks for your nice words about my efforts. I, in fact, very much appreciate your review, = which has, in its great enthusiasm, made a decision for me. Rie Hiroe-Lang plays =   tomorrow evening (which may be this evening by the time some people read this) at Brick Presbyterian Church in NY, with the entire program, I = believe, being played on the lovely organ in the handsome chapel of the church. (It = is at 7 p.m. on Thursday, March 30th.) I am miles over my head in work, but = will now definitely take a break and make the trip in to hear this performer. = Do these lists get any better than this - helping to get people out to performances, encouraging worthy performers, and making glad the hearts of =   presenters? I really hope more listmembers will take time to tell us about =   the good things they hear.   The new spring green is just beginning to appear around here, and tulips, daffodils and crocuses are everywhere, and the yellow forsythia is just beginning its show. But best of all, this is the weekend we set our clocks =   forward, lose an hour of sleep, and it is NOT Easter, for a change!!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com        
(back) Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING From: "Nelson And Tracy Denton" <ndenton@cgocable.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:57:17 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: VIRUS WARNING     The virus is in the recent "tornado" message from Veague. It tries to run = an ileagal "active-x" command. it's hidden in the file as it is not an attachment. Hopefully my machine caught it in time.   > In a pipechat message from "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > my NOrton reported a virus found in: > windows\startmenu\programs\startup\kak.hta > > Norton referred to it as the "WScript.KakWorm" virus. > *************** > I went and checked it out and found the page at the Symantec Web Site > about it and how to delete it. > > Go to: > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html to > find out more about this Worm.