PipeChat Digest #1373 - Monday, May 1, 2000
 
Organist opening -- Baltimore, MD area
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Dust proofing...was .question..xx posted..
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Wurlitzer Valves
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Wurlitzer Valves, apology
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Elizabeth and Nueva Yorque
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by <Pblobaum@aol.com>
pugnant remarks about the religious "right"
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Christianity's Oriental roots
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Do I Smell A Rat???
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: Christianity's Oriental roots
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Do I Smell A Rat???
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Elizabeth and Nueva Yorque
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Organist opening -- Baltimore, MD area From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 06:36:19 -0500   The following was sent to the Administration account asking that it get posted to the list. If anyone is interested please do not use the reply function but send your posting to: jlindhol@bcpl.net   David ******************FORWARDED MESSAGE************************* Trinity Ev. Lutheran Church -- Reisterstown, MD Immediate opening for organist   * Organist only - to work closely with Choir Director and pastor in planning worship services.   * Two worship services beginning June 18 through labor Day: 8:30 AM (Traditional Worship) and 10:00 AM (Contemporary Worship)   * Three worship services beginning September 10: 8:30AM (Traditional) 9:45AM (brief form of Traditional Worship) and 11:00AM (Contemporary Worship)   * One choir (senior - adult) rehearsal each Wednesday evening 7:30-9PM September thru June.   * Rodgers 950 3-manual digital organ purchased November '98. 74 rank stop specifications, draw knob console, velocity keyboard.   Salary is negotiable.   Position begins July 1, 2000. Applicants should contact Carol Olson using the contact info below:   Email: ho@harryolson.com Phone (410)581-2982(evenings only) Fax (410)581-3293   Or mail resume to: Carol Olson 4500 Chaucer Way Unit 401 Owings Mills, MD 21117     *********************************** * Jonell Lindholm * * Reisterstown, MD USA * * jlindhol@bcpl.net * *********************************** ************************************************************** **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Dust proofing...was .question..xx posted.. From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 07:52:42 -0400   Malcolm wrote: >(SNIP) >Sadly, the "magnificent Mander" (we thank you) is totally under wraps for = a >very long time - probably another year and a half.   Protecting an organ against dust during the renovation of the room is = quite a task. In the case that I am very familiar with, it was relatively simple to enclose the chamber opening with plastic and to seal it thoroughly, yet considerable dust found its way into the chamber and a cleaning of the organ was necessary. It seems very difficult to achieve a dust proof seal.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Valves From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:02:14 -0500   Dear Phil,   Thank you so much for your most informative note. As you gathered we have = a 7 rank chest that needs to be done right the first time, as we have = another five rank follwoing that, plus the various offsets.   Any other details re: adjustment, pictures, etc. would be most welcome. I like your idea of making leather washers. What thickness should we use? and how did you get a nice center hole?   One more question:   Do you have any feeling pro or con on brushing up the old valves and re-using them with new nuts ans washers?   Thanks ever so much!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Valves, apology From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:19:30 -0500   sorry, list, ...did it again, was to be a private reply.   john V      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:27:07 -0400   > From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> > > very little of christianity makes much sense to the Oriental way of = thinking.   Isn't that particularly regrettable in view of the fact that our = Patriarchs were born in Asia, as was the man we call God?   Aren't we forced to acknowledge that (Western, at least) Christianity (especially since Thomas Aquinas) has failed miserably to be the Oriental religion that it is supposed to be?   Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan    
(back) Subject: RE: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:21:39 -0500   Steve:   My sentiments exactly. I am off to Subiaco Abbey tomorrow to hear Felix Hell. You?   Peter   Good observation, Bud.   I was rather put off by the pugnant remarks made about the religious "right". Why are comments like that being made on this list. Isn't this list for music....organ talk?   Stephen Ohmer Bartlesville OK   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:31:29 -0400   > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > > If Bach is such a darling of the religious "right", then how come most = of > their churches sing praise choruses? > I'm thinking, Bud, that with your rhetorical question and your use of quotation marks, you'd saying that the proposition is incorrect anyway, = and that "they" aren't really the "religion 'right'" anyway. Surely St. Matthew's and St. Luke's are both far more "religious right" than the happyclappies are. And that JSB is not a passing darling-of-the-moment = with us, but a very good representative of who we ARE.   Or do I misread you?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Elizabeth and Nueva Yorque From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:30:08 -0400   > From: "Ruth S." <theraven@sympatico.ca> > > A friend and I will be in the Elizabeth/NJ area on May 11th > (Thursday). I think this is close to N.Y. City ??(I'm after all, only > a Canadian :). Does anyone know of any Pipe Organs we could see on > that Thursday, or any Concerts that are happening. If you have any > info, could you please email me....   Ruth:   Call me at church when you're in the area. 212 246 3540. Be glad to = steer you to a few things you should see.   Both organs at St. Thomas' The biggest in town, at St. Bartholomew's Two essentials: St. John the Divine and Riverside (ascend the tower to = the carillon) Possible noon recital at St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia Univ. The Klais at St. Peter's Our little Walcker tracker (2/23) is negligible, but I can seat you on the bench for a few hours if you wish. (We're in midtown-Manhattan, west side, theatre district, near Times = Square, which itself is something to see these days)   Elizabeth was the home of Elias Boudinot, ?Hugenot founder of the American Bible Society (1816?) who had been the second president of the United States. His home is an historic site there.   I second someone else's recommendation of the Cathedral Basilica at = Newark.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:33:47 +0800   Hey! Just a minute! Are you people sure of your facts?? My church here in = Australia has a number of fairly large ethnic congregations and most are oriental. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Korea and we have Korean congregations here. Enthusiastic Christians who practise their faith! We = don't see any difference in the way they practise their Christianity and the way we = do ours. They think enough of our brand of Christianity to have joined with us. Can = we be closer than that?   A young friend of mine visited Singapore and attended a Methodist Church = which had a congregation of 3000 Chinese. Not a membership - the usual attendance at = service on an ordianry Sunday. Maybe you have attendances as large as that in = your white churches. I can tell you we have not!   In the light of the above I wonder on what evidence Dave G. can baldly = say that christianity does not make sense to the Oriental way of thinking. Or Alan = say that Christianity has failed..... etc. etc. To my way of thinking they are = beginning to show us the way. We in this country have strong ties with Asia. My own = church in this city frequently has visiting orientals, Japanese, Chinese, and = Indonesians attending our services. Their Christian practices seems to me to be very = much along the lines we are following. They seem to be perfectly happy to come and = join in worship with us. Many of our clergy are from India, Indonesia, the = Phillipines, Samoa and Fiji. The latter are not oriental of course.   BTW to get this on topic Japan is installing pipe organs in Christian = churches and chapels. Mander is one builder who is doing this work, and Rieger is = another. Strange for orientals who don't think that way???? There is also the large = Japanese builder who is building symphonic monsters reminiscent of the AS monster = of the 20s and 30s.   Sorry folks, I don't agree with you.   Bob E. (who objects to people making broad generalizations)       Alan Freed wrote:   > > From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> > > > > very little of christianity makes much sense to the Oriental way of = thinking. > > Isn't that particularly regrettable in view of the fact that our = Patriarchs > were born in Asia, as was the man we call God? > > Aren't we forced to acknowledge that (Western, at least) Christianity > (especially since Thomas Aquinas) has failed miserably to be the = Oriental > religion that it is supposed to be? > > Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan > > "    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT)       --- Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > > > > If Bach is such a darling of the religious > "right", then how come most of > > their churches sing praise choruses? > > > I'm thinking, Bud, snip snip snip JSB is not a > passing darling-of-the-moment with > us, but a very good representative of who we > ARE. > > Or do I misread you? > > Alan >   Or, Alan, perhaps a good vision of who (whom?) we wish to be? Why have someone like Cecilia as patroness of music, when her very existence has never been proven. We have the inimitible, irrascible and humble JSB to lead us, guide us...   Steve               > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:17:09 -0400   > From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > > Enthusiastic Christians who practise their faith! We don't see any > difference in the way they practise their Christianity and the way we do = ours. > They think enough of our brand of Christianity to have joined with us. = Can we > be closer than that?   Bob, I agree with your observations (you should SEE the Korean = congregations here in New York City), and am delighted if they result in holes being punched in my thinking! Maybe what I meant was not so much that the = Asians fail to be Christians, but that the Christians fail to treasure their = Asian roots! Is that any better?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:18:54 -0400   > From: Stephen Ohmer <knopfregal@yahoo.com> > > Or, Alan, perhaps a good vision of who (whom?) we > wish to be? Why have someone like Cecilia as > patroness of music, when her very existence has > never been proven. We have the inimitible, > irrascible and humble JSB to lead us, guide us... > Yes, Steve-O, that's fine with ME!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: <Pblobaum@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:33:52 EDT   In a message dated 5/1/00 9:38:07 AM Central Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   << BTW to get this on topic Japan is installing pipe organs in Christian churches and chapels. Mander is one builder who is doing this work, and Rieger is = another. Strange for orientals who don't think that way???? There is also the = large Japanese builder who is building symphonic monsters reminiscent of the AS monster = of the 20s >>     Thanks Bob, for a bit of light on the subject. I posted the question also =   out of personal interest. In 1979-80, I was an exchange student during my =   undergraduate Junior year at International Christian University in Tokyo (Mitaka-shi actually). I was an organ major at Wartburg College, Waverly, =   Iowa. My organ professor discouraged me from following my dream of = living and studying in Japan. My organ studies were put on hold for a year, but = I kept my practicing at the <very cold and chilly> chapel of the Lutheran School of Theology in Japan right next door. Buildings are not heated thoroughly at all hours in Japan like they are here in the states. I had = to practice organ with my winter coat on in the winter months!   ICU's chapel had a beautiful tracker instrument, the builder's name = escapes me. They had a recital series , and I heard the renowned Marie = Claire-Alain in recital in that chapel. The organ in the Lutheran seminary chapel was also a Pipe organ. I saw nary an electronic instrument in Japan. All of = the major musical halls in Japan seem to have pipe organs installed.   Although I studied in Japan for reasons other than musical interests, and = my retention of the Japanese language was practically non-existent, I did encounter a lively christian community of Christians of various = denominations in Tokyo. The Lutheran community was especially welcoming of a neophyte American student from the back water country of Illinois, who's = aspirations were to both see the world, and be an organist.   And now Im a medical Librarian! and moonlighting as an Organist...   Paul Blobaum Organist/Chancel Choir Director Trinity Lutheran Church park Forest, IL 60466  
(back) Subject: pugnant remarks about the religious "right" From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:36:04 -0700   I will defer to the listowners to define exactly how far afield = discusssion can go and still be relevant to the organ and its music, construction, = etc.   BUT (grin) I would offer the following thoughts, until I get told to hush and/or pound sand:   Beginning in the late '50s and early '60s, most working parish musicians were excluded from the discussions of liturgical reform ... oh, we sent in our evaluation sheets of the Green Book (in the Episcopal church) and our lists of most-used and most-beloved hymns, but they were mostly ignored. A small committee, mostly of "New York City organists" made most of the decisions concerning the Hymnal, and an equally-small committee of priests (most of whom were NOT involved in parish ministry) made the decisions = about the Prayer Book. As much as I enjoy what goes on in big NYC Episcopal churches, it IN NO WAY represents EITHER what goes on in the "average" Episcopal church (membership UNDER 100, average age 50 or so, part-time amateur organist, and MAYBE a choir) OR the NEEDS of such parishes.   OK, you may agree with my analysis, or not, but the POINT is that we = SHOULD have taken a SERIOUS interest in what was going on, AND that we needed wide-ranging liturgical and hymnological knowledge in order to influence = the discussion. Which is where these wide-ranging discussions on the Net are valuable today ... there's ANOTHER round of changes on the horizon.   What came OUT ofthe '60s was a devastating upheaval in traditional church music in both the RC and Anglican churches, the effects of which are still being felt today. I'm sure you don't need a list of all the fallout.   Likewise, the ENORMOUS influence of the mega-churches on the spread of CCM is affecting us all. Most of these churches would be counted in the camp = of the "right". So what goes on in the religious right DOES affect us.   N.B. - I also think that the TRUE Evangelicals should stand up and reclaim their title of "evangelical", much as I think TRUE Christians should stand up and reclaim their title of "Christian" ... both terms have become pejorative as the result of the actions of a minority who claim one or = both of those mantles.   Just my opinion (grin) ...   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:40:13 PDT     >Isn't that particularly regrettable in view of the fact that our > >Patriarchs were born in Asia, as was the man we call God?   Well, Asia is a big place. Western asia where Moses and Abraham and the gang were from has __COMPLETELY DIFFERENT__ culture than East asia's Confucian/Animist civilizations.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:45:19 PDT     >Hey! Just a minute! Are you people sure of your facts?? My church >here = in >Australia >has a number of fairly large ethnic congregations and most are >oriental.   Here in Southern California we do too! Note, that is not Japan. These people, by coming to Australia or California, have already accepted much = of the Western worldview... your sample is biased.   >Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Korea and we have >Korean =   >congregations here.   We do too. Korea is full of Christians, it would be interesting to know what socio-historical processes allowed the Methodists, etc to make so = many converts in the 19th century there. Korea and the Phillippines are exceptions, yes, that's true.     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Christianity's Oriental roots From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:51:31 -0700   Well-said, Alan ... but the problems started well before Aquinas ... the rationalism, legalism and pragmatism of the secular culture of the Roman = empire pretty much stifled the ecstatic, mystical dimension of primitive = Christianity pretty early on. The CLASSIC illustration of THAT can be seen by making a comparison between the early Roman Collects on the one hand, and the = Collects of the Gallican Rite and/or St. John Chrysostom on the other. What little = ecstatic language we have left in the Western Rite can mostly be traced to the = former, which "snuck in" to the Roman Rite over the centuries.   Rubrics like "then shall the Priest kiss the Body of Christ with tears" = (St. John Chrysostom) are TOTALLY foreign to us today, thanks to Roman rationalism.   Mystical Christianity makes most westerners queasy, at the very least.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > > From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> > > > > very little of christianity makes much sense to the Oriental way of = thinking. > > Isn't that particularly regrettable in view of the fact that our = Patriarchs > were born in Asia, as was the man we call God? > > Aren't we forced to acknowledge that (Western, at least) Christianity > (especially since Thomas Aquinas) has failed miserably to be the = Oriental > religion that it is supposed to be? > > Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:52:58 -0700   Nope ... as usual, you're right on (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > > > > If Bach is such a darling of the religious "right", then how come most = of > > their churches sing praise choruses? > > > I'm thinking, Bud, that with your rhetorical question and your use of > quotation marks, you'd saying that the proposition is incorrect anyway, = and > that "they" aren't really the "religion 'right'" anyway. Surely St. > Matthew's and St. Luke's are both far more "religious right" than the > happyclappies are. And that JSB is not a passing darling-of-the-moment = with > us, but a very good representative of who we ARE. > > Or do I misread you? > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Do I Smell A Rat??? From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:02:21 PDT     My apologies if I have offended anyone. Like I tell my students, "I grade =   ideas, not people."   This is my last post for a while.     >to build a 4man/3rk/unequally tempered/tracker/"Theatre Organ". No >expression, no pedal, no trem, and all-wood pipes under 4' in length.   What's wrong with a dramatic departure from the past?   >Ohh >-- also 30 general pistons.   There are 128 possible combinations of stops, so 30 isn't excessive.   >(now, as of today, he's named it the >"Millenium Whiz-Bang 6000", or some such goofiness.)   "Millennium 600 *Special*" :^D   >He intends this >"instrument" to play Bach, and Tom Petty.   Maybe classical pipe organs can too, but I sure hain't heard it.   > We also hear his claims to be >"researching multi-ranked mounted cornets"...   Well, that idea has dropped by the wayside. The feedback from this group has shown that to be a dead end.   >"designing reedless >reeds"...yada yada.   Haven't gotten a particularly encouraging response to that work either. = :-(   >Yet this is also a "person" that refers to pipe tuning >devices as "thingies"....   "stoppers", "slots & slides", "shades", "tuning wires", "voicing curls" = etc.   >"Dave G" -- if you *are* actually a real person   I am real enough.   >-- I'd strongly >suggest >that you seek out copies of the Audsley "The Art of Organ-Building"   I've read Audsley cover to cover several times -- it has the smell of obsolete and old-fashioned dogmatism. I've also read Dictionary of Pipe Organ Stops several times cover to cover, found it to contain as much pipemaking myth and poetry as any real science.   >as well as the Junchen "Encyclopedia of the American Theatre Organ" >(for =   >starters).   I haven't read this. I did go to the OHS website and found a bunch books = on pipe making, voicing, EATO, registration, etc. which look really = interesting and I will definitely buy and read.   >will also start to see the utter nonsense of some of your "plans".   Perspectives vary; you will not be disappointed with the results.   >This post is in no way intended to offend anyone   I am used to being on the radical cutting edge in this business, I = actually found your post somewhat amusing.   Dave     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Christianity's Oriental roots From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:33:43 -0400 (EDT)   Christianity is a matter of faith, not making sense. Although much of it holds up under rational scrutiny, the essentials are grasped by the heart. Orientals understand this as well as any1.    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Cantatas and Japanese From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:07:38   At 10:33 PM 5/1/2000 +0800, you wrote: > There is also the large Japanese >builder who is building symphonic monsters reminiscent of the AS monster of the 20s >and 30s.<snip>   Odd, since =C6-S didn't even exist until after 1930, whereupon the "symphoni= c monster" was all but gone, courtesy G. Donald Harrison, who initiated the Organ Reform Movement with his "American Classic" specifications. Prior to that, Ernest M. Skinner was indeed responsible for many "symphonic monsters" up until that time.   DeserTBoB ....who doesn't like it when people don't have their facts straight!  
(back) Subject: Re: Do I Smell A Rat??? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:27:24   At 11:02 AM 5/1/2000 PDT, you wrote: >>-- I'd strongly >suggest >>that you seek out copies of the Audsley "The Art of Organ-Building" > >I've read Audsley cover to cover several times -- it has the smell of >obsolete and old-fashioned dogmatism. I've also read Dictionary of Pipe >Organ Stops several times cover to cover, found it to contain as much >pipemaking myth and poetry as any real science.<snip>   As revered as Audsley's works are, they show that Audsley himself didn't have a clue as to how flue pipes really work. The same can be said of Irwin, who skirts most technical issues. The first, to my recollection, = to publish a work that showed how flues really work was Ernest Skinner, in 1917, in "The Modern Organ". Up to that time, there were as many theories as their were builders and wags, most of them somehow believing that the "windsheet" would flop back and forth between the interior and exterior surfaces of the lip. Skinner proved this to be false, showing that the wind stays at all times outside of the pipe cavity.   For a gizmo that's been around since Greek times, there sure is a paucity of pure science as to its operation! The electronic interloper, however, is based on volumes of research and development; however, most of that has been jealously guarded as "trade secrets". Strange, eh what!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Elizabeth and Nueva Yorque From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:45:18 EDT   In a message dated 00-05-01 10:30:09 EDT, afreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   >Elizabeth was the home of Elias Boudinot........ who had been the second president of the United States. His home is an historic site there.   Alan: Did I miss something in US History or did you miss some letters on = your keyboard? Jerry in Seattle