PipeChat Digest #1389 - Friday, May 12, 2000
 
Re: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic
  by "Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be>
Re: Harmonic flutes -- Wow I didn't realize they were supposed  todo that
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Lookin for NYC Churches
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
St. Thomas workshop (mutation of "Looking for NYC Churches")
  by "mlhopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com>
Re: We don't realize a whole LOTTA things!
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Harmonic flutes -- more trouble than they are worth?
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
Re: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
IRC Chat tonight at 9.00 PM
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: An earnest plea to the helpful Malcolm
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: Church Music Re: What exactly WAS wrong with the funeral?
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: What exactly WAS wrong with the funeral?
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: An earnest plea to the helpful Malcolm
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Church Music
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Church Music
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Standardization and the Industrial Revolution's Effect on Pipe Organs
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Church Music
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Four Fonds.
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: We don't realize a whole LOTTA things!
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic From: "Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:04 +0200   Philippe, Als ik mij niet vergis is Johan Hermans uit Hasselt in Polen gaan spelen. Hij kan je zeker aan speelmogelijkheden daar helpen.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Beullens" <pbeullens@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: vendredi 12 mai 2000 10:15 Subject: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic     > Dear members, > > In July of this year, I'll be visiting the south of Poland (region of > Katowice/Krak=F3w) as well as the Czech Republic (Prague). > > Does anyone know there some interesting organs to visit? > > Best regards > > > > Philippe Beullens > Organist > Student at the Lemmens Institute of Louvain (Belgium) > Naamsestraat 171/31 - B-3000 LEUVEN Belgium > Telephone : ++ 32-16-23 77 12 > Mobile phone: ++ 32 495 10 46 95 > > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.co= m > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonic flutes -- Wow I didn't realize they were supposed todo that. From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:33:23 -0400   There is an enlightening discussion of harmonic flutes and their function by Stephen Bicknell in his article, "The Romance of the Four Fonds" (in = the Piporg-l archives), in which he describes the functions of the 8's = (montre, bourdon, flute harmonique, gambe) in Cavaille-Coll grands-orgues. He = points out that an 8' harmonic flute has traces of the 16' harmonic series present, which add depth to the sound of any combination that it's used = in.   Well worth reading!   Paul Opel   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Lookin for NYC Churches From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:39:33 -0400   > From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Lookin for NYC Churches > > the St. John's experience has always thrilled me! I would add to the = list: > > Stop in at Columbia University Chapel to hopefully hear a delightful > Skinner. > Go to evensong at St. John's - professional choir sings. Attendee's sit = in > the choir stalls and get a glorious organ/choir experience from there! > > The Maitre   Cleaning up old mail: I agree with Erik, but can add a bit of gossip. = Paul Fritts (Tacoma, Wash.) is expanding eastward, and is expected to put one = of his jewels in the west end of St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia. Schedule unknown; surely not soon.   Alan    
(back) Subject: St. Thomas workshop (mutation of "Looking for NYC Churches") From: "mlhopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:57:48 -0500   I spent Monday & Tuesday at the "Music in the Church" workshop at St. = Thomas with Gerre & Judith Hancock & Dr. Robert Guest. The two evensongs we attended there (Howells Glouchester Service & an original service of Dr. Guest's) were absolutely breathtaking!   Anyone else at the conference?     ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Lookin for NYC Churches     > > From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Lookin for NYC Churches > > > > the St. John's experience has always thrilled me! I would add to the list: > > > > Stop in at Columbia University Chapel to hopefully hear a delightful > > Skinner. > > Go to evensong at St. John's - professional choir sings. Attendee's = sit in > > the choir stalls and get a glorious organ/choir experience from there! > > > > The Maitre > > Cleaning up old mail: I agree with Erik, but can add a bit of gossip. Paul > Fritts (Tacoma, Wash.) is expanding eastward, and is expected to put one of > his jewels in the west end of St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia. Schedule > unknown; surely not soon. > > Alan > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: We don't realize a whole LOTTA things! From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:42:02 -0500   At 5/11/00 08:48 PM, DeserTBoB quoted David Scribner: >>I would suggest that what you need is to educate yourself by spending >>time LISTENING!! And not trying to get "sound samples" to listen to >>via a computer but to go hear things IN PERSON.<snip>   And then added:   >Sage advice, indeed. There's no substitute for hearing it "up close and >personal". Much of what happens acoustically is lost when such a tone is >sampled.   Indeed, Bob, this is *very true*. I'd substitute "most" for "much", = though...   Now, to Dave G:   What's being said here, by various persons, is that which remains the undeniable truth. The art of building and voicing pipe organs is indeed = an "art"...one that does *not* lend itself to scientific hyperbole. Though there have been many that have and continue to try to apply strict scientific rules to pipe organbuilding, the results of all this have never produced much of any real practical information (and practically *no* "absolute rules"). Pipe organbuilding is based far more on history, tradition, and musicality than "scientific theorems and postulations". It's fun to start to learn some of the science involved (as we do know = it), but "fun" is about the extent of the usefulness of it.   Consider, as another example, a fine painting. We can study it 'til we're blue-in-the-face -- analyze the chemical composition of the paints and pigments, the material of the canvas, the effect of various lighting upon it, yada yada. NONE OF THIS comes even *close* to determing what makes it "art", nor will it ever. If someone was to attempt to apply all that "scientific data" they learned about the painting to produce a "new" one (without the benefit of the historic factor, that is -- "just the facts, ma'am") the results would most certainly be horrific and lacking in any artistic staying power whatsoever (unlike the original, which had already proved its worth for history). Even if some idiot bought the resulting "new" painting and loudly trumpeted its virtues and "scientific validity", it would still likely not stand the test of time, and I'd guess that in a few decades it would end up at a garage sale for $2 (for the frame). If = it *did* last longer than this, it would most certainly be for the "novelty factor" (look what this moron tried to do!! How awful!! I love it! <g>) instead of any genuine artistic qualities.   So, how does one start to learn about pipe-organ voicing??   1) Study the vast history of existing instruments in all their many and various forms (good, bad, and otherwise) 2) Listen carefully and critically to as many examples of same as possible (and I do not mean via computer sound-samples) 3) Study the literature and performance practices of the instrument, and how it relates to the instruments themselves 4) Try to determine how any particular builder was attempting to make his instrument relate to the existing history and literature, and whether or not he succeeded, and why/why not 5) Understand that the instrument is not one which is prone to "earth-shattering new innovations" (this is the *history* factor again) 6) Never stop learning/listening/studying   In process of doing these things (and probably more, but I'm running out = of time to list them) you will *start* to gain a true appreciation of the requirements of creating musical works of art. You will not "get it all = at once"...but you will *start* to.   DaveG, you made reference in some past post to yourself being used to = being "on the radical cutting edge" of technology. I submit that in pipe-organ building, there is *NO* radical-cutting edge, nor should there be. If you want to learn how organs work, get out of your computer lab and play/hear/study organs. This is the ONLY way that you will ever succeed = in doing anything but wasting list bandwidth with your "scientific, theoretical" questioning of that which we all already know to be true.   This should not be taken as an admonishment for your asking questions of the List -- indeed, there is much information to be gained from our fellow Listmembers. Please, however, try to ask questions that have some relevance to reality.   Most sincerely,   Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net>              
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonic flutes -- more trouble than they are worth? From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:17:27 +0200   My knowledge of organ-building is pathetically minimal, I'm afraid, and I let my ears decide. What I do know is that my Cavaille-Coll harmonic flute is quite the most beautiful sound I have ever heard from any organ, and no matter how much trouble it took the master organ builder to make it, it = was worth every second. As you may have realised, I'm quite proud of my little baby!..   Best wishes   Chris Johns Musical Assistant, Osnabrueck Cathedral Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de      
(back) Subject: Re: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:01:37 -0400   > From: "Philippe Beullens" <pbeullens@hotmail.com> > Subject: Visit to Poland/Czech Republic > > Does anyone know there some interesting organs to visit [in Cracow or = Prague]?   I don't remember any details at all, Philippe, but in Prague, on the Old Town Square, there are two very different churches not to be missed.   1. The huge (very tall nave) Gothic Roman church just north of the square must have some kind of horrendous beast.   2. The tiny baroque jewel, the Hussite Church of St. Nicholas, = freestanding near the southwest corner of the square, which has a constant series of recitals, concerts, etc. I've heard the organ there, but it's too long = ago to report anything helpful.   I hope we'll have a report from you on both the above, as well as the big = RC church across the river, and others in the newer parts of town.   Alan Freed St. Luke's Church, Manhattan      
(back) Subject: IRC Chat tonight at 9.00 PM From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:40:57 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01BFBBFE.8E616CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Remember to log in to PipeChat IRC this evening at 9.00 PM. You can =3D find out all the details on how to get on-line with us at the Pipechat =3D Web Page:   http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   We hope that you will be able to join in this evening.   Bob Conway   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01BFBBFE.8E616CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D3>Remember to log in to PipeChat IRC = this =3D evening at=3D20 9.00 PM.&nbsp; You can find out all the details on how to get on-line =3D with us at=3D20 the Pipechat Web Page:</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html">http://www.pipechat.org/irc.htm= =3D l</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D3>We hope that you will be able to join = =3D in this=3D20 evening.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Bob Conway</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01BFBBFE.8E616CA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: An earnest plea to the helpful Malcolm From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:16:40 -0700 (PDT)   > say *WHAT*???? >   Gosh. The response was funny. Everyone in my office has gotten a good laugh from it. Although I think I must've missed the cause of it all.   But, after reading it, I've found a response to those who oppose my points of view on organs, organbuilding (and organ playing, but I'm not aloud to talk about that...)......   Pray begone, Sir, for this poor world......     Stephen Ohmer, rolling and rollicking in Bartlesville....   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music Re: What exactly WAS wrong with the funeral? From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:26:02 -0700 (PDT)   Perhaps when each of us finally die, we shall have the funeral of our choice - unless our family members intervene. Either way, we're gone, outtahere and have no say.   For the most part, funerals should, I think, follow liturgical norms and structure and all therein should be appropriate. Music, however, never seems to fall into that category of being "appropriate" for the simple reasons that what is appropriate to worship is not always appropriate to a mourner or the family members, who at such a critical time, tend to forget about such little things as liturgical norms, appropriateness, incense, . . . God......   No sense in beating a dead horse. Just get off your soap boxes and get your own funeral liturgy planned, signed, notarized, sealed and delivered to the funeral home and to your parish office. Make haste! Make sure that your will has within it a clause of disinheritance to any or all who shall endeavor to change your funeral plans.   Sign me, Ready for a new thread.   Stephen Ohmer --- Quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Yes, BUT ... there are more appropriate funeral > hymns. > > President Kennedy's funeral was also a > mish-mash ... it was a LOW Mass > because Cardinal Cushing had had throat surgery > and couldn't chant ... > Schubert "Ave Maria" , Gregorian "In > paradisum", and the rest mostly > forgettable (I HAVE forgotten). > > From a LITURGICAL standpoint, Princess Di's > wasn't much better, except for > the Croft Burial Sentences. I wonder who's idea > it was NOT to read the > Prayer Book service for her? The Queen's? As > Head of the Church, I suppose > she COULD have ordered Canterbury to do what he > did ... > > By contrast, Churchill ... now THAT was a State > Funeral. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Innkawgneeto@webtv.net wrote: > > > Catholics do not have the corner on > neglecting quality literature for > > the sake of appealing to the masses. It is a > problem in many many > > denoms. > > > > I do think, however, that "Lift High the > Cross" was a wonderful > > conclusion. > > > > Neil > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for > pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: What exactly WAS wrong with the funeral? From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:01 -0700 (PDT)   Another thing to remember not just about said Cardinal's funeral liturgy but about St. Patrick's itself. Whilst it is a cathedral, it is STILL first and foremost a LOCAL PARISH. So many lines of formality and informality, good, gauche, etc. cross in such situations.   Has the content of the entire funeral been posted on the net yet? I've not seen it. Can't imagine that Diana was more important.....   Ohmer in Bville. --- Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/10/00 11:44:17 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > the_maitre@hotmail.com writes: > > > What I don't understand is that all of a > sudden we've deemed > > >the > > >music as ludicrous for a funeral. I > personally saw nothing wrong with it. > > > I think the problem here is that many are > applying Anglican criteria to this > selection of funeral music. The mass setting > for a funeral should be the > one that is normally used at weekly mass so > that the congregation is familiar > with it, especially when there is the liklihood > of many visitors. Ditto for > the hymns. They should be in the repertory of > the parish, even if it is a > cathedral parish. We all must knuckle under > to the desires of the family. > It's just one of those things. It is > indeed unfortunate that clergy > seem to have little taste or regard for music > in worship, and the problem > seems to intensify the higher on the hydrant > they climb! > > Bruce > .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the > Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles > Cremona502@cs.com > http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: An earnest plea to the helpful Malcolm From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:33:25 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 12-May-100 Re: An earnest plea to the .. by Stephen Ohmer@yahoo.com > But, after reading it, I've found a response to > those who oppose my points of view on organs, > organbuilding (and organ playing, but I'm not > aloud to talk about that...)...... > > Pray begone, Sir, for this poor world...... >   Mark Twain (that eminent organ aficianado) said it thus: "In all matters of opinion, our opponents are insane!" Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Church Music From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:12:06 -0500   Have any of you heard of a POLKA Mass, or was someone pulling my chain?    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:22:12 EDT       Oh trust me: it most CERTAINLY exisits! Another show of horrific taste in =   the Roman Church. This started out as a joke (some polka music for hymns and mass parts done in a polka style). Leave it to the Roman Clergy to think: My what a nice idea - we'll get the people involved and they'll = have fun too. Who cares if its a polka - they'll like it.   Luckily at the Italian parishes the, "O Solo Mio" mass never really took off. (this is a joke - but the polka mass is REAL)   ALl the Best,   The Maitre > >Have any of you heard of a POLKA Mass, >or was someone pulling my chain?     >   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Standardization and the Industrial Revolution's Effect on Pipe Organs From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:37:51 -0700   No, that wasn't my doctoral dissertation ... I don't HAVE a doctorate (grin), or a master's (bigger grin).   The short version: far from improving the pipe organ, applying mass production techniques and standardized pipe scales to the organ nearly killed it, aside from the theatre organ branch of the family tree.   It can be argued that there have been many MECHANICAL improvements (some of questionable value), but the ONLY organs of interest from that period (for purposes of argument, let's say electric-action organs from 1900 until WWII, when the Reform Movement began to be felt in this country) are those that were VOICED by master-voicers like Mitchell (Austin - St. Luke's, Germantown, PA), Willis (Scott's Kilgen organ at the National Shrine of the Little Flower), Steinmeyer (the RC Cathedral in Altoona, PA), E.M. Skinner's better work (numerous examples) and G. Donald Harrison (ditto), as well as the voicers of the other extant big Kilgens (St. Pat's, St. Louis) and Kimballs (St. John's-in-the-Wilderness, Denver, CO), etc.   I know I'm leaving out a lot, but this is the short version (grin).   The other successful organs from that period succeed either because of the acoustics of the room and/or sheer SIZE, and NOT because of fabulous voicing.   The celebrated examples of VOICING in this country still mostly date from the 19th century BEFORE standardized scales: Immaculate Conception and Holy Cross Cathedral, Boston (Hook & Hastings), the nuns' motherhouse in Michigan (?) (Johnson), St. Mary's in New Haven (Johnson?), etc. etc. etc. when the voicer still clapped his hands or threw down his cane or whatever in the room and decided the scales of the ranks and the composition of the mixtures (grin).   I have asked the question repeatedly (and I will ask it again now): why can't 21st century builders go look at how the 19th century dealt with the typical dry acoustics of the average-sized American church? It's not rocket science ... they widened the scales of their 8' stops (particularly the 8' Open Diapason), restrained their trebles, and strengthened their 16' stop(s), AND THEY USED THEIR EARS.   Which is what our BEST builders do today, but unfortunately they're still in the minority.   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:45:29 -0700   Yep. They used to have one at San Rafel Parish in Rancho Bernardo, CA (northern suburb of San Diego). Change of pastors put a stop to it (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Luther Melby wrote:   > Have any of you heard of a POLKA Mass, > or was someone pulling my chain? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Four Fonds. From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:38 PDT     >There is an enlightening discussion of harmonic flutes and their function >by Stephen Bicknell in his article, "The Romance of the Four Fonds" (in = the >Piporg-l archives), in which he describes the functions of the 8's = (montre, >bourdon, flute harmonique, gambe) in Cavaille-Coll grands-orgues.   Paul, It is enlightening. Thanks for drawing my attention to this.   DG     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: We don't realize a whole LOTTA things! From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:41:11 PDT   Mr. Bovard wrote:   >Though >there have been many that have and continue to try to apply strict >scientific rules to pipe organbuilding, the results of all this have = never >produced much of any real practical information (and practically *no* >"absolute rules").   Methinks Haskell, Hope-Jones, and C-C would not agree with you here.   >Consider, as another example, a fine painting. We can study it 'til = we're >blue-in-the-face -- analyze the chemical composition of the paints and >pigments, the material of the canvas, the effect of various lighting upon >it, yada yada. NONE OF THIS comes even *close* to determing what makes = it >"art", nor will it ever.   Bad analogy: Much effort has gone into researching paint pigments and = other materials which have significantly improved the quality of painting. That =   is what pipe research is focused on: the basic materials of the art. It's = a combination of art and science, when you have both (rare) that's what's desireable.   >Even if some idiot bought the resulting >"new" painting and loudly trumpeted its virtues and "scientific = validity", >it would still likely not stand the test of time.   Apparently the essentially mathematical development of visual perspective in painting had some staying power. Nobody is doing flat distorted looking mediaeval-type painting these days.   >So, how does one start to learn about pipe-organ voicing??   >2) Listen carefully and critically to as many examples of same as = possible >(and I do not mean via computer sound-samples)   Agreed.   >3) Study the literature and performance practices of the instrument, and >how it relates to the instruments themselves   Also very important. Plan to buy a copy of "Theater Organ Registration Secrets" from OHS soon.   >5) Understand that the instrument is not one which is prone to >"earth-shattering new innovations" (this is the *history* factor again)   For the most part, true. At least until an "earth-shattering new innovation" comes along unexpectedly.   >6) Never stop learning/listening/studying   I wont.   DG ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com