PipeChat Digest #1397 - Tuesday, May 16, 2000
 
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs. tracker/slider
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
TONIGHT: Dennis James  Silent Film- Sandusky, Ohio / cross-post
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Dennis James - upcoming Spring/Summer Silent Film Concerts
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Organ comment
  by <steve@open-tech.com>
Composer dates (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Rutz Organ
  by "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu>
Fw: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Fw: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
organ books and stuff for sale on EBAY
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Rutz Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
PVC in your sprinklers and in your flutes.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: Rutz Organ
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Rutz Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Rutz Organ-- More Info
  by "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu>
Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:27:17 +0100     There quite a few functioning model Ts which get > folks from point A to point B... > (don't think I would want to tackle a Chicago expressway with one of them > however).   No sense of adventure - you too could be a traditionalist if you really tried. <G> Chris    
(back) Subject: Re: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:25:18 +0100   From Bob: > Who CARES what it's made of, as long as it SOUNDS right and LASTS! And we ALL know that these factors are totally unrelated, now don't we!!! And be sure that it is ugly so there is no mistaking that it has no artistic value.   Bruce replies: Forty wallops with a schpinnette broomstick (a new fibreglass one!!!) hehehehehe   Bruce, consider this to be my application to join your 'club' ! H O W E V E R - If I were building a tubular pneumatic organ today, I think I would seriously consider plastic tubing. I would investigate various synthetic 'leathers', and certain parts of the action could I think, be made better with modern materials - and I am thinking particularly of touch boxes, coupling machines, swell actuating leverage, chambers and so on. I suspect though, that in many cases, traditional materials would still win out. As to pipework and soundchests, to declare that traditional materials are redundant, old technology is complete and utter bovine deposit. A pipe organ built today is the culmination of centuries of seeking improvements. And if someone really cannot hear the difference between a 'zinc tube' and a spotted-metal diapason, then I suppose they might as well make the bloody things out of carbon fibre and be done with it.   For myself, I will remain with the dinosaurs, so shift over Bruce and make room. We can share the job of looking out for that meteorite............. Chris Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:18:37 +0100     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough snip >The day ain't far away when "pipe metal" >will be gone, too. The whole long-held myth that metal or alloy type has a >pronounced influence over tonality has been proved to be bunk. The pipe is >merely a conduit; the air column is the tonal generator. Thus, I see pipes >of various plastics, PVC, ABS and others, as well as carbon fibers, making >their entrance, and quite soon snip   Hi Bob,   I'm having a bit of trouble with this. Air, whether used as a tonal generator, or to drive a pneumatic breaker, or, as the product of a tornado, makes no sound. What we hear when air moves, is a product of its contact with various materials, surfaces etc.. including our own ear structure. The sound of air moving through grass. for instance, is dramatically different to that which moves through a stand of tall trees.   The air column in and around an organ pipe is inaudible. To hear it, we must cause it to set up a resonance in the material of the pipe itself. What I understand you to say, is that the sound of that resonance is wholly unaffected by the material of the pipework. Which is to say that a pipe made of expanded polystyrene, will produce the same quality of resonance as a pipe made of stainless steel. Fair enough, that was a ridiculous analogy. Are you then holding that pipe metal with a high lead content, has the same resonating properties as a zinc pipe, and would still have those same properties were it made of thermoplastic or carbon fibre? In the way that it is put, it simply doesn't make sense. Which leads me to think that I have not understood what you mean.   I accept of course that pipes made from the materials you describe, will be stable, waterproof, tuneable and will produce the intended pitches. But they can in no way produce the sounds we currently expect from a pipe organ as we know it. Whether this different sound will be acceptable to us is of course another question entirely. Is it then your thesis, that we must think beyond the sounds we have come to know and love, and to be more open to the different ones produced by other than traditional materials?   Regards, Chris Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs. tracker/slider From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:09:55 +0800   Now how the heck did this go public? I apologise to those whose names were = splashed abroad. It was NOT intended. Bob E.   Bob Elms wrote:   > Since I have mentioned names of builders who still exist and I don't = wish to have any > litigation over anything I have said I have kept this private >    
(back) Subject: RE: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:23:17 -0500   Bob:   Let them eat ketchup -- it's a vegetable (as the Reagan folks insisted).   Peter   There are a lot of suffering people out there, no matter WHAT the republicans try to tell ya!   DeserTBoB   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:42:30 -0700   Having been a social worker, then a pastor, in addition to being an = organist, I can see both sides of this one ... BUT, the REALITY is that the organ is = always DEAD LAST on the list of priorities, no matter HOW much money the church = has .... vide my present situation at St. Matthew's ... there are a dozen = people in the parish who could make up the $185K needed to break ground for the new church, AND pay for the pipe organ ... they're just waiting to see if the = Fed is going to raise the interest rate and what's going to happen to their = stock portfolio. Come the end of the year when they need to dump some cash to = avoid giving it to the IRS, we'll get both, probably.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 12:23 AM 5/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >"Spiritual needs"? Good music fills the bill better than many other = things > >the church spends money on..<snip> > > I disagree in this case. To me, "meals on wheels" to the bedridden sick > who have minimal ability to self-support is FAR more important than ANY > organ. There are a lot of suffering people out there, no matter WHAT = the > republicans try to tell ya! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: TONIGHT: Dennis James Silent Film- Sandusky, Ohio / cross-post From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:43:19 EDT   Following up on the sellout success premiering the restored 3 manual 8 = rank Page theatre organ last November, tonight (Tuesday, May 16) continues our ongoing series of silent film presentations at the Historic Sandusky State =   Theatre (107 Columbus Avenue, Sandusky, Ohio 44870 / Box Office 419-626-1950). This evening's feature has the incomparable Buster Keaton = in his greatest role- Johnny, the stalwart Confederate locomotive engineer in =   THE GENERAL.   Opened on October 12, 1928 as a grand vaudeville movie palace, the State Theatre's original construction cost $965,000. Intended as a complete entertainment center, the basement was fitted with bowling alleys, pool = and billiard tables. A special three manual, eight rank Page theatre organ = was installed on a hydraulic lift in the orchestra pit. The opening bill presented vaudeville entertainment along with the feature film NIGHT WATCH =   starring Billie Dove.   Placed on the National Register of Historic Places, the State Theatre was incorporated as a community-based, non-profit corporation in 1988. The theatre's interior and exterior restoration was completed in time for its 65th anniversary on October 12, 1993. The more than $3.6 million = committed since 1988 to restore the theatre has come from the generosity, commitment =   and dedication of individuals, businesses, corporations, foundations, the City of Sandusky, Erie County and the State of Ohio.   Dennis James Silent Film Concerts 3579 E. Foothill Blvd., #112 Pasadena, California 91107 626-398-3232 / muscur@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Dennis James - upcoming Spring/Summer Silent Film Concerts From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:43:21 EDT   Following up on the sellout success of PETER PAN at the El Capitan Theatre = in Hollywood I'm now back on the road again for my remaining silent film concerts tours. As an addition to the Sandusky presentation of THE = GENERAL mentioned in a separate post, I thought I'd list some of the other = remaining programs:   May 21, Mabel Tainter Theatre, Menomonie, Wisconsin "Dennis James' Musica Curiosa" unusual instruments program featuring the house pipe organ with silent films: Laurel & Hardy in YOU'RE DARN TOOTIN' = and others. Also included are program sections with the theremin, seraphim, = plus the vitreous and pickle choirs.   June 2, Art Institute, Cleveland, Ohio Cleveland Cinematheque presentation of Douglas Fairbanks in THE BLACK = PIRATE accompanied by Dennis James at the Holtkamp pipe organ   June 3, Phipps Center, Hudson, Wisconsin Debut of Dennis James' new "HOORAY FOR HOLLYWOOD" theatre pipe organ = program including short silent films by Buster Keaton, Laurel & Hardy and others   July 3, 10, 17, Paramount Theatre, Seattle, Washington House Organist Dennis James' award-winning Silent Film Mondays series continues with a D.W. Griffith film festival: ORPHANS OF THE STORM, WAY = DOWN EAST, INTOLERANCE all presented with the fully restored, color tinted = archive 35mm prints and the original musical scores.   August 14, Spreckels Organ Pavilion, Balboa Park, San Diego, California Dennis James' 12th annual outdoor Silent Movie Night under the stars, this =   year featuring Buster Keaton in GO WEST. Come early before the sundown = and join the other over-3000 silent film enthusiasts with a picnic supper at = the organ pavilion site.   I hope to see some of you on the tour-   ----- For more information, contact: Silent Film Concerts 3579 East Foothill Blvd., #112 Pasadena, California 91107 626-398-3232 / muscur@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Organ comment From: <steve@open-tech.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:51:07 -0500   I had the opportunity to hear a pretty nice instrument this past weekend. = My wife and I celebrated a birthday and mother's day in St. Louis. We visited the First Congregational Church of St Louis (which oddly enough is in Clayton) and heard a 1929 Austin that according to the organist has had a few modifications. What impressed me was that it all sounded true to the original ideal. The instrument had a rich powerful sound that was warm and enveloping (it has some BIG pedal reeds). It was nice to hear an = instrument of this style that wasn't buried in chambers, merely hidden behind a = screen. Does anyone know more about this instrument? I'm curious who made the modifications as it was work well done and deserving of recognition.   Cheers,   Steve Chandler www.mp3.com/stevechandler    
(back) Subject: Composer dates (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:17:51 EDT   We need the dates for the following composers:   Robert Elmore and Deems Taylor   Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Rutz Organ From: "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:19:40 -0500   Greetings,   On my way to work this morning, I noticed a semi trailer backed up to the front door of a church near the University. Seeing the words "pipe organ" on the trailer made me detour through the neighborhood for a closer look. Apparently this church is in the midst of getting a new organ or a = rebuild. The name on the trailer was Rutz Organ Company out of Minnesota. Has anyone ever heard of them or their reputation? I am somewhat acquainted with this church's old mongrel pipe organ. Virtually anything would be an improvement.     ** Jim Zimmerman jrzimmer@purdue.edu **    
(back) Subject: Fw: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:37:03 -0500   Notice I said "MANY other things". Not every other thing. If I have a church with NO music, I'm out of there. Luther     >At 12:23 AM 5/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>"Spiritual needs"? Good music fills the bill better than many other = things >>the church spends money on..<snip> > >I disagree in this case. To me, "meals on wheels" to the bedridden sick >who have minimal ability to self-support is FAR more important than ANY >organ. There are a lot of suffering people out there, no matter WHAT the >republicans try to tell ya! > >DeserTBoB >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Here's *why* EP to EM - Bob From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:37:08 -0500   >From Bob: >> Who CARES what it's made of, as long as it SOUNDS right and LASTS! > I agree, as far as what pipes are made of many different materials should work. Many materials could be made to look just great or even swell. From what I've read, it's the shape of the mouth, shape of the flue, wind pressure, etc. It's not the material the pipes are made of that does the shaping of the sound. (right???) Luther      
(back) Subject: organ books and stuff for sale on EBAY From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:12:19 -0500   Hi all: > >Just to let you know I am selling several organ books and related items >(even a Klann swell shoe !) on Ebay. > you may reach Ebay by typing in the following in your browser:   ebay.com     type the word "organorum" (without the quotation marks) in the search box, that will take you to one of the books I am selling, click to view it then click "view sellers other auctions" to see all I have for sale, you can then click any item number for more details about a specific item.   my seller/user id is the same as my e mail address   highnote@mhtc.net   >Thanks >Robert Eversman >Mineral Point WI    
(back) Subject: Re: Rutz Organ From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:17:40 -0400   Jim, I'm checking with a knowledgeable Minnesota friend.   Which university?   Alan   > From: Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> > Subject: Rutz Organ > > a church near the University.    
(back) Subject: PVC in your sprinklers and in your flutes. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:05:55   At 01:18 PM 5/16/2000 +0100, Chris Baker wrote: >Are you then holding that pipe >metal with a high lead content, has the same resonating properties as >a zinc pipe, and would still have those same properties were it made >of thermoplastic or carbon fibre? In the way that it is put, it simply >doesn't make sense. Which leads me to think that I have not understood >what you mean.<snip>   Of course, simply swapping materials around willy-nilly will yield unpredictable results! Care must be taken to select materials of proper structural strength to keep the sypathetic resonance of the pipe itself from becoming a sound originator in itself.   Back to the "air" statement. It is, indeed, the air column in the pipe, set in resonance the the appropriate action of the "windsheet", that makes the sound. Air makes ALL sound, of course. However, to be considered = also is the pipe structure itself. Should the pipe structure be poorly made of thin, compliant material, it will indeed tend to vibrate excessively in sympathy to the energy of the resonating air column held within. Thus, it could be expected that the cylindrical portion of the pipe will, in this case, act as a secondary sound point source, radiating sound waves from = its body around its circumference. Helmholtz made note of this in his works. However, should the pipe's structure be sufficiently robust, such sympathetic resonance and coincidence "secondary radiation" of sound = should not be a factor, and thus, the compressions are rarifactions of air, which we call sound, are produced solely from the open end of the resonating column, as well as from the pipe's mouth. Content of harmonic and inharmonic energy is the resultant tone is governed principly by scale, wind pressure, mouth width and cut-up, resonator shape, lanquid nicking, mouth shape, application of apparatus such as harmonic bridges, and a few others. > >I accept of course that pipes made from the materials you describe, >will be stable, waterproof, tuneable and will produce the intended >pitches. But they can in no way produce the sounds we currently expect >from a pipe organ as we know it. Whether this different sound will be >acceptable to us is of course another question entirely. Is it then >your thesis, that we must think beyond the sounds we have come to know >and love, and to be more open to the different ones produced by other >than traditional materials?<snip>   Not at all. Such tonalities have been crafted over centuries of empirical work by builders around the world. To discard their harmonic and dynamic singatures out of hand simply to embrace new materials would be foolish in the extreme. However, the point of my thesis, not well stated as it was, is that, through careful design and manufacture, the same tonalities can = be produced by alternative materials. Such work is now in its infancy, to be sure, but it is happening. Quite certainly, one can't take lengths of storebought PVC, cut them to length, fashion a mouth, languid, resonator and toe to exact dimension of a metal pipe and expect them to sound "correct" on the first go! This takes concentrated research and trail-and-eroor before a finished product could ever be presented for consideration. There will be some stops, I'm quite sure, where fairly compliant pipe bodies, such as in the "frying bacon" strings of the unit orchestra, where the resonator body does indeed act as a secondary radiator, due in this case to the high content of tin, relatively thinly made, in their structure. Then again, this could be disproved also; there's not enough data out there to know at this point! However, I do opine that the premise that acoustically pleasing pipes can be indeed made out of durable, nominally undamagable materials other than wood and = various alloys is indeed sound on its face.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:22:08   At 07:42 AM 5/16/2000 -0700, you wrote: >there are a dozen people in >the parish who could make up the $185K needed to break ground for the new >church, AND pay for the pipe organ ... they're just waiting to see if the = Fed >is going to raise the interest rate and what's going to happen to their = stock >portfolio.<snip>   Without becoming uncharacteristicly theological, wouldn't it be better = some of that $185K go to the sick and helpless in the parish than all to a new sanctuary and organ? Which is more Christ-like to you?   Bear in mind that such donors are the ideological descendants of the Pharisees depicted in Scripture. What Scripture DOESN'T tell us, however, is that after taking such a bad rap, and being angry at the praise heaped on the poor publican, they regrouped, hired public relations consultants and renamed themselves "REpublicans"! As such, they've now grouped together in this political season to forward a new, bold agenda of "compassionate fascism". ROFLMAO!!!!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: RE: Rutz Organ From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:58:43 -0500   Purdue.   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed [mailto:afreed0904@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:18 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Rutz Organ     Jim, I'm checking with a knowledgeable Minnesota friend.   Which university?   Alan   > From: Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> > Subject: Rutz Organ > > a church near the University.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Rutz Organ From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:08:33 -0400   Jim.   I tried my (genuinely knowledgeable) Minnesota source. He says he's never heard of Rutz organs in Minnesota. (He held several significant posts in the Twin Cities, between 10 and 20 years ago, and is still in touch = there.)   Alan   > From: Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:19:40 -0500 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Rutz Organ > > Greetings, > > On my way to work this morning, I noticed a semi trailer backed up to = the > front door of a church near the University. Seeing the words "pipe = organ" > on the trailer made me detour through the neighborhood for a closer = look. > Apparently this church is in the midst of getting a new organ or a = rebuild. > The name on the trailer was Rutz Organ Company out of Minnesota. Has > anyone ever heard of them or their reputation? I am somewhat acquainted > with this church's old mongrel pipe organ. Virtually anything would be = an > improvement. > > > ** Jim Zimmerman jrzimmer@purdue.edu ** > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Rutz Organ-- More Info From: "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:31:47 -0500   At 12:17 PM 5/16/2000 -0400, Alan Freed wrote: >Jim, I'm checking with a knowledgeable Minnesota friend. > >Which university? >   The church is St. Andrews United Methodist just a few blocks north of Purdue University. Since the curiosity was overwhelming me, I stopped in there on my lunch hour a few minutes ago to look around and be nosy. Unfortunately, the Rutz shop is removing the pipe organ. Someone has donated an electronic to the church.....Sigh.....   Hopefully the Rutz shop will make good use of the parts. I was told several years ago that this pipe organ had been kludged together by a Purdue student and was quite a disaster.     ** Jim Zimmerman jrzimmer@purdue.edu **    
(back) Subject: Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:34:47 -0700   Caro Roberto in Deserto:   They ARE all Republicans (grin). GOD doesn't need a house OR a pipe organ, = but THEY do, or they can't hold up their heads at the Country Club, don'tcha = know?   And as far as the sick and the shut-in ... I could have starved to death = the three weeks I was without help after I got out of the hospital, for all they = cared. I applied to the parish relief committee ... dead silence. And I'm their = ORGANIST.   Oh well.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 07:42 AM 5/16/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >there are a dozen people in > >the parish who could make up the $185K needed to break ground for the = new > >church, AND pay for the pipe organ ... they're just waiting to see if = the Fed > >is going to raise the interest rate and what's going to happen to their = stock > >portfolio.<snip> > > Without becoming uncharacteristicly theological, wouldn't it be better = some > of that $185K go to the sick and helpless in the parish than all to a = new > sanctuary and organ? Which is more Christ-like to you? > > Bear in mind that such donors are the ideological descendants of the > Pharisees depicted in Scripture. What Scripture DOESN'T tell us, = however, > is that after taking such a bad rap, and being angry at the praise = heaped > on the poor publican, they regrouped, hired public relations consultants > and renamed themselves "REpublicans"! As such, they've now grouped > together in this political season to forward a new, bold agenda of > "compassionate fascism". ROFLMAO!!!! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day From: "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:01:48 -0700   At 12:34 7:24 PM 5/16/00 , you wrote: >Caro Roberto in Deserto: > >They ARE all Republicans (grin). GOD doesn't need a house OR a pipe = organ, but >THEY do, or they can't hold up their heads at the Country Club, don'tcha = know? > >And as far as the sick and the shut-in ... I could have starved to death >the three >weeks I was without help after I got out of the hospital, for all they >cared. I >applied to the parish relief committee ... dead silence. And I'm their >ORGANIST.   Yep! The Greater Glory of Who(m), exactly, eh?   Do Good with your money/time .. give to the local group who helps FEED and HOUSE the less fortunate with no 'strings' attached.   :-)   Ron    
(back) Subject: Re: Martha vs. Mary vs. Dorothy Day From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:41:55   At 12:34 PM 5/16/2000 -0700, you wrote: >And as far as the sick and the shut-in ... I could have starved to death the three >weeks I was without help after I got out of the hospital, for all they cared. I >applied to the parish relief committee ... dead silence. And I'm their ORGANIST.   Well, next time, let yer organist friends at least KNOW what's goin' on! If anyone'll help, THEY will! We need to stick together...it's a jungle out dere!   I didn't know you'd even been in the hospital until way after the fact. = As far as the "parish relief committee" goes, they only exist to help folks that loose their CEO positions continue to make their Jaguar payments, don't they? LMAO!   Roberto della Deserto  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:45:11 EDT   Perhaps you who favor trackers ought to communicate with ink and quills; typewriters if electropneumatic is your choice; faxes for those who = support direct electric actions; and email be restricted to those who want to use electronic instruments.   It's only fair, right? Stan Krider