PipeChat Digest #1399 - Wednesday, May 17, 2000
 
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
new ebay item
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Hope Jones Tromba?(x-posted)
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Wedding Woes
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hope Jones Tromba?(x-posted)
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:54:09 +0100     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...     > > To think that EVERYTHING old is bad or wrong and that EVERYTHING new is good > and right is just.... unreasonable and carrying things to the extreme. If > there is the way we are to approach reasoning, we might as well just sign off! > > Bruce   OK Bruce, I give in - how did you get the above message, which plainly is written with a quill pen onto parchment, into my InBox? Are you cheating?   YOU ARE _ YOU'RE CHEATING!!!! You've got one of these electrical thingammybobs too, haven't you? Go on, admit it.   Must go now, I have to polish the candle holders on the organ console. And the beauty of that is............... I really DO have candle holders on the console.       .......................... and there's candles in'em.   <<GG>> Chris    
(back) Subject: new ebay item From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:53:11 -0500   Hi: I just added one more item to the stuff I am offering on Ebay. Just = do a search for Hymns of the Ages and that will take you right there. Just click the title and you will get lots of detail and 3 photos. That should be it for a while.   Hymns of the Ages published by Ticknor and Fields ca.1858 2 volumes, leather bound.     Robert Eversman Mineral Point WI   highnote@mhtc.net  
(back) Subject: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:30:23 EDT   Oops, Bruce,   Sorry you didn't see the sly twinkle in my eyes. I DO forget those icons.   Stan Krider     In a message dated 05/17/2000 2:01:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << Subject: Re: From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:17:21 EDT In a message dated 5/16/00 7:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KriderSM@aol.com writes: > Perhaps you who favor trackers ought to communicate with ink and = quills; > typewriters if electropneumatic is your choice; faxes for those who support > direct electric actions; and email be restricted to those who want to = use > electronic instruments. To think that EVERYTHING old is bad or wrong and that EVERYTHING new is = good and right is just.... unreasonable and carrying things to the extreme. = If there is the way we are to approach reasoning, we might as well just sign =   off! Bruce . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 >>  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 00 12:14:47 -0800   On Sun, 14 May 2000 22:25:50 EDT, TRACKELECT@cs.com wrote:   >Even the fastest EP action cannot come close to the speed of DE action on =   >light to moderate wind.   I am wondering what test rig and standards to set up, the methodology and the results you got.   Thanks,   Grant    
(back) Subject: Hope Jones Tromba?(x-posted) From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:38:01 -0500   Dear List,   We have obtained what may be a Hope_Jones Tromba. 61 notes from 8 ft. As I said: "may be"   Does anyone know what to look for for possible identification?   Regards,   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:39:22 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 12:43:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > "Squeaker" organs, with obsolete, unworkable temperments and strictly > vertically oriented specifications, "classic" (meaning sagging) winding > systems and construction and assembly details dating back hundreds of = years > will soon be viewed as viable as the groaning, unison-only, hooting = turkeys > of the early 20th century. Oh come on! There IS more than one way to build an organ. Pull your = head out and listen open-mindedly to a reproduction of a period instrument. So =   what if it can't play Franck. A French romantic organ doesn't play Buxtehude too well, either. Should we throw them out, too! If each instrument is used and enjoyed for what it is and what it CAN do, your enjoyment of music would be greatly enhanced. I think one of the reasons =   that organ recitals have fallen in popularity is the dullness of the = organs themselves: little character, dull tuning, poor finishing, and crappy rooms. Variety and uniqueness is a must in any entertainment field.     A truly modern organ gives homage to the organ's tonal past while = retaining > flexibility and innovation to contend with all schools. Try Franck on = a > Werckmeister-tempered "schqueaker" sometime ... yeeeeeeeeeesh! I've played Franck on Werckmeister AND Valotti, AND Kirnberger, and it = sounds unique and exciting, not to mention Reger, Sowerby and others. Any = organ which gives a "hat-tip" to all periods and is flexible enough to contend (which is exactly what it does!) with all schools of music, is a dull = boring, instrument which can do NOTHING very well. If you want one of these = boring beasts, go for it (all twelve broomsticks worth of it), but don't for a moment think that they should be imposed on those of us who have explored = the options and found exciting ways to approach all periods of music. This, however, does NOT include placing our butts on ONE all purpose bench!       Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:11:57 EDT   In reply to post of 5-14-00 wchapmn@global.net wrote: >I am wondering what test rig and standards to set up, the methodology and =   results you got.<     Grant:   I am not sure I understand your question. I can tell you how to set up a = test rig but I can only give you very general information on our test results = as it is all classified company property. Please be more specific.   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:12:11 -0400   > From: DudelK@aol.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:11:07 EDT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral >=20 > I believe Munster means cathedral   Gee, I don't think so.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:27:51 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:39 PM Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...   I promised myeslf I -wasn't- going to get into this, then I saw this:   > I've played Franck on Werckmeister AND Valotti, AND Kirnberger, and it sounds > unique and exciting, not to mention Reger, Sowerby and others. Any organ > which gives a "hat-tip" to all periods and is flexible enough to contend > (which is exactly what it does!) with all schools of music, is a dull boring, > instrument which can do NOTHING very well.   I beg to differ, my friend. Our 1950 Holtkamp CAN do everything and it was MEANT to do it. If you will recall, it was a "bribe" so to speak, to get Poister to Syracuse University. (Well, that and one hell of a salary, but the point is that we got him from Oberlin.) It was meant for everything = from Sweelinck to Franck, Bach to Bacon and it works. Think about how many = organ students there have been since Poister's time to now, and all of their repertoir. This sucker can do all of it.   I agree that most organs -can't- do all that and have anything to show for it. But there ARE some builders out there that have the wit and style to = do it and do it right.   > If you want one of these boring > beasts, go for it (all twelve broomsticks worth of it), but don't for a   But I thought the pipes were made out of lead alloys......I'm confused, = when did broomsticks start coming into this....? Oh, did they just hollow those out for the 2' Bourdon? I GET IT! ;-)   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Wedding Woes From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:31:26 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFC036.7DD76BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.   ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! I'm = =3D about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope.=3D20   In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me amusing =3D organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to.=3D20   It's making me crazy and/or miserable.=3D20   -Rebekah   PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle and =3D one for not.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFC036.7DD76BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ddffff> <DIV>This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a =3D wedding?! I'm=3D20 about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me =3D amusing=3D20 organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to. =3D </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It's making me crazy and/or miserable. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>-Rebekah</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle =3D and one=3D20 for not.</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01BFC036.7DD76BA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:31:55 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01BFC03E.F16819E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Rebekah,   Many, many years ago, when I was about your age, I had a friend, (our organist and choir director), who decided that he was going to play for = his wedding to one of our choir ladies.   You think that you got troubles! His began at the very thought of it all, and simply got worse when he decided that the choir could sing a "Pater Noster" unaccompanied, (which he had written himself), whilst the happy couple were in the Vestry signing the Register!   To see him hopping from chancel steps to the organ was quite something, = but to see him being dragged off from standing by the Vestry door in an = attempt to direct those of the choir who could even see him was another!   The long suffering Parson, who was not really up to all these shenanigans was absolutely overwhelmed to see that almost as soon as he had given the blessing, I was undoing my robes and rushing out of the church to do the photographs, - which was a moonlighting sideline that I had at the time!   On the other hand, I did take the Parson's own wedding photographs when he got married! In those days, - the 50's, none of us had any money so we = all did our own thing, - wedding photographs was one thing, but to save on an organist's fee by playing at your own wedding is another!   However, we all survived and lived to tell the tale!   I cannot ever remember anyone having ferrets marching down the aisle, - = but go for it, there has to be a first time for everything!   Good Luck!!   Bob ...     ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebekah Ingram To: PipeChat Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Wedding Woes     This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.   ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! I'm about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope.   In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me amusing organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to.   It's making me crazy and/or miserable.   -Rebekah   PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle and = one for not.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01BFC03E.F16819E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ddffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D3>Rebekah,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Many, many years ago, when I was about your age, = =3D I had a=3D20 friend, (our organist and choir director), who decided that he was going = =3D to play=3D20 for his wedding to one of our choir ladies.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>You think that you got troubles!&nbsp; His began = =3D at the=3D20 very thought of it all, and simply got worse when he decided =3D that&nbsp;the choir=3D20 could sing a "Pater Noster" unaccompanied, (which he had written =3D himself),=3D20 whilst the happy couple were in the Vestry signing the =3D Register!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>To see him hopping from chancel steps to the =3D organ was=3D20 quite something, but to see him being dragged off from standing by the =3D Vestry=3D20 door in an attempt to direct those of the choir who could even see him =3D was=3D20 another! </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>The long suffering Parson, who was not really up = =3D to all=3D20 these shenanigans was absolutely overwhelmed to see that almost as soon = =3D as he=3D20 had given the blessing, I was undoing my robes and rushing out of the =3D church to=3D20 do the photographs,&nbsp;- which was a moonlighting sideline =3D that&nbsp;I had at=3D20 the time!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>On the other hand,&nbsp;I did take the Parson's =3D own=3D20 wedding photographs when he got married!&nbsp; In those days, - the =3D 50's, none=3D20 of us had any money so we all did our own thing, - wedding photographs =3D was one=3D20 thing, but to save on an organist's fee by playing at your own wedding =3D is=3D20 another!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>However, we all survived and lived to tell = the=3D20 tale!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>I cannot ever remember anyone having ferrets =3D marching down=3D20 the aisle, - but go for it, there has to be a first time for=3D20 everything!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Good Luck!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Bob ...</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu" title=3D3Drringram@syr.edu>Rebekah = =3D Ingram</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 17, 2000 = =3D 7:31=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Wedding Woes</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a =3D wedding?! I'm=3D20 about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me =3D amusing=3D20 organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to. =3D </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It's making me crazy and/or miserable. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>-Rebekah</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle = =3D and one=3D20 for not.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01BFC03E.F16819E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:54:32   At 07:27 PM 5/17/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I beg to differ, my friend. Our 1950 Holtkamp CAN do everything and it = was >MEANT to do it.<schnippo>It was meant for everything from >Sweelinck to Franck, Bach to Bacon and it works. Think about how many = organ >students there have been since Poister's time to now, and all of their >repertoir. This sucker can do all of it.<snip>   Walter Holtkamp's work was always outstanding, and indeed was a shining example of the "American Classic" ideals first put forth by Harrison. Franck on Werckmeister, "fresh and exciting"...LMAO!!! With some of the wolves that'd howl in THAT combination, I'd consider it about the same as "painless-less dentistry!"   >But I thought the pipes were made out of lead alloys......I'm confused, = when >did broomsticks start coming into this....? Oh, did they just hollow = those >out for the 2' Bourdon? I GET IT! ;-)<schnippo>   No no no, you misunderstand! "Brookschticks" are the natural keys of the 13 note "schpinette" pedals that bReWsE favors in his massive collection = of Bald-One Electronic Schpinette O'gans! He likes to beat me with them from time to time to punish me for my posts!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:52:39 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:   > I beg to differ, my friend. Our 1950 Holtkamp CAN do everything and it = was > MEANT to do it. Sorry. Just because it CAN do what it was MEANT to do, DOES NOT mean = that is can do it RIGHT or CORRECTLY. If you listened to a Buxtehude prelude = and fugue on the Holtkamp and then on an authentically reproduced instrument, = or a Couperin Mass on the H and then on a reproduction period instrument, you =   WOULD hear the difference. It takes a while to develop discrimination and = to train your ears to anticipate these beautiful sounds, but it can be done = and IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Further, Holtkamp has a sound all its own = (which I happen to like), which further lessens the liklihood of its rendering period music authentically. Play Franck on the H and then on a French romantic organ... there is no way the H can even come close. The Franck = on the H will be interesting and enjoyable, but it will not be authentic.   I do not expect ANY instrument to be able to play everything well, and I would not suggest that the H should be replaced with something else "just because," but please be objective and realistic. It CAN'T do it all.... = and do it WELL, even if it can "do it."   > Think about how many organ students there have been since Poister's time = to now, > and all of their repertoir. This sucker can do all of it. Just because one-hundred bazillion students have played music of ALL = periods on an organ PROVES NOTHING, except that the organ has led a very busy = life, and there has been a good teacher close by. No offence, but students are =   among the most emotionally involved with their particular instrument than = any other group of people (I remember well: been there, done that, got the t-shirt.)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Hope Jones Tromba?(x-posted) From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:54:35 EDT   John:   A Hope Jones reed will have the lettering stamped on the resonater in very =   small type: "TR 8", and a small slip of paper between the shallot and = block inscribed "Hope Jones Organ Company". Also, you may find the inscription = of the voicer; James Nutall.   Good luck: Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:00:37 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 7:33:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:   > ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! = I'm > about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope.   You really don't want to know!!! However, if you do fly off to Vegas = (which is a great idea, although I'd choose another city), don't forget to send a =   nice check to the organist who has been suffering as well. ;-)   > In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me amusing organic > wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to.   My favorite is the girl (whose mother had driven everyone nuts) loading up = at the buffet before hitting the aisle. When she arrived at the first pew = she turned to her mother-in-law to be and handed her a rose; she then turned = to her mother and... THREW UP all over her. Only two people in the = church laughed:   The father of the bride, and the mother of the groom!   > PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle and = one for not. Ferrets have really short legs.... I reccomend a little waggon pulled by = the ring-bearer. Or.... the ferrets could walk behind the flower girl and = drop "fertilizer" for the flower petals!!       Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 00 19:17:33 -0800   On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:52:39 EDT, Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   >and then on a reproduction period instrument, you >WOULD hear the difference   Bruce:   I understand your point but at least to me it errs in that it presumes that we hear or experience music today as they did when it was new and on then contemporary instruments.   We are different people with different sensibilities living in a fantasy when we presume period reproductions create an actuality. Further, I do not think the important thing is the instrument per se. It does not "make music" it is the performer that makes music. Mechanism is just that and nothing more without soul.   Grant    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:51:10 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 10:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wchapmn@attglobal.net writes:   > I understand your point but at least to me it errs in that > it presumes that we hear or experience music today as they > did when it was new and on then contemporary instruments. I have no idea how people in the 17th century experienced their music. I know that when I hear a Buxtehude prelude and fugue on unequal temperament =   tuned warm principals that is is stunning and is "music" to my ears. The =   only connection is the use of the traditions and knowledge of organ = building prevalent at that time. If modern improvements can enhance this = experience, fine. I'll go for longer keys, expanded pedal compass, and will even concede to non-mechanical action. But, the voicing and tuning are the important part of the experience.   > > We are different people with different sensibilities living > in a fantasy when we presume period reproductions create an > actuality. Further, I do not think the important thing is > the instrument per se. It does not "make music" it is the > performer that makes music. Mechanism is just that and > nothing more without soul. It is not a fantasy when you hear music played on an instrument built in = the style of instruments of an historical period. Our sensibilities have = little to do with unless we let them dictate that the "new" (or old) experience = is wrong. Using the same tuning system as used when a block of literature = was composed WILL make the music ACTUALLY sound different from a modern = (equal) tuning system. One of the very interesting modern innovations is the = "new" tuning systems build to accentuate various keys, such as the system now occasional used by (and developed by) Fisk.   I seem to recall that Franck's organ was NOT tuned to equal temperament at =   the time he was playing it. The French used a temperament that was distinctly "theirs" in the same way that the Germans used their own temperament styles. These styles varies from builder/tuner to = builder/tuner, according to what they wanted their instruments to sound like. There are =   many very mild unequal temperaments (valotti for one) that are virtually undistinguishable to the untrained ear, EXCEPT that some "untrained" ears = do actually perceive the perfect triads. I have been told this by several parisoners who did not know that the organ had been tuned differently than =   any other instrument. It is not the accentuating of the "wolf" interval that is so satisfying; but rather the several perfect triads that are occasionally encountered.   I recommend students and other nonbelievers open your ears and minds, and expose yourself to new (to you!) and different sounds. Pull your heads = out of your posthorns, folks! ;-)     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502