PipeChat Digest #1400 - Thursday, May 18, 2000
 
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc.  etc.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc.  etc.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Ludwigtone?
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc.  etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc.
  by "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Ludwigtone?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:19:28 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01BFBF95.907544E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   HI Rebekah, I played for a wedding once and the console was in the =3D choir loft just to the edge of the rail. I turned a page and off it =3D went floating down over the heads of the unsuspecting group below. I =3D told the soloist to get down there and get that music but before he =3D could get down to retrieve the recalcitrant page, peels of laughter =3D issued forth. I sure had egg on my face that day! Gary =3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Rebekah Ingram=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Wedding Woes     This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.   ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! =3D I'm about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope.=3D20   In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me amusing =3D organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to.=3D20   It's making me crazy and/or miserable.=3D20   -Rebekah   PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle and = =3D one for not.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01BFBF95.907544E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ddffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>HI Rebekah,&nbsp; I played for a =3D wedding once and=3D20 the console was in the choir loft just to the edge of the rail.&nbsp; I = =3D turned a=3D20 page and off it went floating down over the heads of the unsuspecting =3D group=3D20 below.&nbsp; I told the soloist to get down there and get&nbsp;that =3D music but=3D20 before he could get down to retrieve the recalcitrant page, peels of =3D laughter=3D20 issued forth.&nbsp; I sure had egg on my face that day!&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Gary</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;<SPAN id=3D3D__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu" title=3D3Drringram@syr.edu>Rebekah = =3D Ingram</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 17, 2000 = =3D 6:31=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Wedding Woes</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a =3D wedding?! I'm=3D20 about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In this spirit, please, please, please, someone relate to me =3D amusing=3D20 organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to. =3D </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It's making me crazy and/or miserable. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>-Rebekah</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle = =3D and one=3D20 for not.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01BFBF95.907544E0--    
(back) Subject: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:38:06 -0700   I think there's a middle ground to be found here SOMEWHERE (grin) ... and my personal opinion is that it's a good three-manual Hook & Hastings, or Johnson, or Erben, or ... fill in your favorite 19th century American organ-builder.   Why? Because if the French (who have virtually nothing but French organs of various centuries) can play Bach with a French accent, and Germans (who find themselves similarly deprived of French organs, for the most part) can play Franck with a German accent, why, OH WHY can't we play both with an AMERICAN accent, utilizing organs that STILL embodied historic building principles, like tracker action, low wind-pressure and slider chests?   For all that it's fun to play a GDH Skinner for an Anglican service, or revel in the clean austerity of a Hindemith Sonata on a big Holtkamp, BOTH pale in comparison to the above-mentioned instruments, and their successors, the eclectic instruments of Rosales, Fisk, etc.   The genius of 19th century American organ-builders has been too much neglected for too long.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:44:32 +0800   Cone on Bruce, be realistic! I have a very good electronic instrument that can play in Mean tone, = Werkmeister something and Valotti as well as equal temperament. To play anything with = a G# in meantone sounds appalling. That puts three flat keys and several sharp = keys out of its function. It puts a good deal of the romantic repertoire out of = its range and also practically all of any music written since 1800.   Any organ which can only play in certain keys should be regarded as a = museum piece these days; it is of limited use.   BTW Valotti didn't sound too bad and Werkmeister IV was tolerable.   Bob Elms     Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/17/00 10:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wchapmn@attglobal.net writes: > > > I understand your point but at least to me it errs in that > > it presumes that we hear or experience music today as they > > did when it was new and on then contemporary instruments. > I have no idea how people in the 17th century experienced their music. = I > know that when I hear a Buxtehude prelude and fugue on unequal = temperament > tuned warm principals that is is stunning and is "music" to my ears. = The > only connection is the use of the traditions and knowledge of organ = building > prevalent at that time. If modern improvements can enhance this = experience, > fine. I'll go for longer keys, expanded pedal compass, and will even > concede to non-mechanical action. But, the voicing and tuning are the > important part of the experience. > > > > > We are different people with different sensibilities living > > in a fantasy when we presume period reproductions create an > > actuality. Further, I do not think the important thing is > > the instrument per se. It does not "make music" it is the > > performer that makes music. Mechanism is just that and > > nothing more without soul. > It is not a fantasy when you hear music played on an instrument built in = the > style of instruments of an historical period. Our sensibilities have = little > to do with unless we let them dictate that the "new" (or old) experience = is > wrong. Using the same tuning system as used when a block of = literature was > composed WILL make the music ACTUALLY sound different from a modern = (equal) > tuning system. One of the very interesting modern innovations is the = "new" > tuning systems build to accentuate various keys, such as the system now > occasional used by (and developed by) Fisk. > > I seem to recall that Franck's organ was NOT tuned to equal temperament = at > the time he was playing it. The French used a temperament that was > distinctly "theirs" in the same way that the Germans used their own > temperament styles. These styles varies from builder/tuner to = builder/tuner, > according to what they wanted their instruments to sound like. There = are > many very mild unequal temperaments (valotti for one) that are virtually > undistinguishable to the untrained ear, EXCEPT that some "untrained" = ears do > actually perceive the perfect triads. I have been told this by several > parisoners who did not know that the organ had been tuned differently = than > any other instrument. It is not the accentuating of the "wolf" = interval > that is so satisfying; but rather the several perfect triads that are > occasionally encountered. > > I recommend students and other nonbelievers open your ears and minds, = and > expose yourself to new (to you!) and different sounds. Pull your heads = out > of your posthorns, folks! ;-) > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:57:51 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 11:37:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > I think there's a middle ground to be found here SOMEWHERE (grin) ... > and my personal opinion is that it's a good three-manual Hook & > Hastings, or Johnson, or Erben, or ... fill in your favorite 19th > century American organ-builder. Sorry, Bud. This is the whole point. The middle-ground, if the only ground, is boring. I love Hook & Hastings, Johnson, Erben and the rest, = but I also want to hear distinctive instruments in other styles. WHY MUST = THERE BE ONLY ONE STYLE OF INSTRUMENT????   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:10:03 EDT   In a message dated 5/17/00 11:50:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   > I have a very good electronic instrument that can play in Mean tone, > Werkmeister something and Valotti as well as equal temperament. To play anything > with a G# in meantone sounds appalling. That puts three flat keys and several sharp > keys out of its function. It puts a good deal of the romantic = repertoire out of its > range and also practically all of any music written since 1800.   Pardon me, but electronic machines are incapable of having individual = notes actually working with each other and drawing in tune. If the = electronics folks can't get the sound right, how can we trust them to get the tuning right??   > Any organ which can only play in certain keys should be regarded as a museum > piece these days; it is of limited use. So what is wrong with limited use. The idea that everything must be all =   purpose just creates a bunch of mediocre "thing." An architect once told = a committee that wanted a multi-functional room that multi-functional = usually results in non-functional! It also applies to musical instruments. Saying that organs should be able to do everything is like expecting a = string orchestra to be able to play band music.   > BTW Valotti didn't sound too bad and Werkmeister IV was tolerable. Well, okay.... but that is precisely WHY there are more than one tuning system. How boring to have everything sound alike! Yuk!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:15:34 -0500     --------------415F6301E00201DE136257A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Bob Conway wrot   > I cannot ever remember anyone having ferrets marching down the aisle, > - but go for it, there has to be a first time for everything! Good > Luck > They would probably do it with at least as much speed and grace as a > 4-year-old flower girl and ring bearer :) > > Be ready on time and your organist will love you forever. > > Best wishes, Rebekah. > > Maynard > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rebekah Ingram > To: PipeChat > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:31 PM > Subject: Wedding Woes > This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first. ARG. How > many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! > I'm about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and > elope. In this spirit, please, please, please, someone > relate to me amusing organic wedding stories so that I have > something to look forward to. It's making me crazy and/or > miserable. -Rebekah PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking > the ferrets down the aisle and one for not. >   --------------415F6301E00201DE136257A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#DDFFFF"> &nbsp; <p>Bob Conway wrot <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial">I cannot ever remember = anyone having ferrets marching down the aisle, - but go for it, there has to be a first time for everything!</font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial">Good = Luck</font> <br><font face=3D"Arial">They would probably do it with at least as much speed and grace as a 4-year-old flower girl and ring bearer :)</font><font = face=3D"Arial"></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial">Be ready on time and your organist will love you forever.</font><font face=3D"Arial"></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial">Best wishes, Rebekah.</font><font = face=3D"Arial"></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial">Maynard</font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp; <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>   <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu" title=3D"rringram@syr.edu">Rebekah = Ingram</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3D"pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:31 PM</div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Wedding Woes</div> &nbsp;This is an on-topic post, just let me vent first.&nbsp;ARG. How many things can -possibly- go wrong in planning a wedding?! I'm about to call the damn thing off and fly to Vegas and elope.&nbsp;In this spirit, = please, please, please, someone relate to me amusing organic wedding stories so that I have something to look forward to.&nbsp;It's making me crazy and/or miserable.&nbsp;-Rebekah&nbsp;PS, so far we have 2 votes for walking the ferrets down the aisle and one for not.</blockquote> </blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------415F6301E00201DE136257A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:18:46 EDT   I just did a wedding where, 3 minutes before the "start" time, the groom discovers that he has forgotten the rings. So, living only a block away, = he rushes home and gets them, to arrive at 2:10 - ten minutes behind = schedule. I'm then told to play more and not to start the processional music because =   the bride's parents haven't shown up yet. Someone slap me before I agree to do another wedding for SOUTHERNERS!   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:19:39   At 08:38 PM 5/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: >the eclectic instruments of Rosales<snip>   Oh, gawd! HONNNNNNNNNNNK!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:04:05   At 11:57 PM 5/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >WHY MUST THERE >BE ONLY ONE STYLE OF INSTRUMENT????<snip>   Because...DA DAMN THINGS COST TOO MUCH!!!   Now...see where I was coming from earlier?   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:36:50   At 12:10 AM 5/18/2000 EDT, you wrote: >> BTW Valotti didn't sound too bad and Werkmeister IV was tolerable. >Well, okay.... but that is precisely WHY there are more than one tuning >system. How boring to have everything sound alike! Yuk!<snip>   Well, I dunno....JSB seemed to think ET was a pretty keen idea way back then, and it seems to have worked all these years...and no one can afford pipe organs with "optional temperments"...they seem to barely be able to afford pipe organs at all...so I'll stick with ET! Someone wants to hear "authentic" Pachelbel, I'll direct him/her to the nearest time machine. Plus, they can hear Stravinsky, Paderewski, Rachmaninoff, Brahms, Grieg, Chopin, Beethoven, Mozart, and whoever else they run into while on the trip...choose multiple destinations and SAVE!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:13:10 -0400   Bruce: Get off it ! The Holtkamp at Syracuse University is world renound for BEING able to play everything. Sometimes, I think you just type to see the words yourself !   Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:52:39 EDT Cremona502@cs.com writes: > In a message dated 5/17/00 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rringram@syr.edu > writes: > > > I beg to differ, my friend. Our 1950 Holtkamp CAN do everything > and it was > > MEANT to do it. > Sorry. Just because it CAN do what it was MEANT to do, DOES NOT > mean that > is can do it RIGHT or CORRECTLY. If you listened to a Buxtehude > prelude and > fugue on the Holtkamp and then on an authentically reproduced > instrument, or > a Couperin Mass on the H and then on a reproduction period > instrument, you > WOULD hear the difference. It takes a while to develop > discrimination and to > train your ears to anticipate these beautiful sounds, but it can be > done and > IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Further, Holtkamp has a sound all its > own (which > I happen to like), which further lessens the liklihood of its > rendering > period music authentically. Play Franck on the H and then on a > French > romantic organ... there is no way the H can even come close. The > Franck on > the H will be interesting and enjoyable, but it will not be > authentic. > > I do not expect ANY instrument to be able to play everything well, > and I > would not suggest that the H should be replaced with something else > "just > because," but please be objective and realistic. It CAN'T do it > all.... and > do it WELL, even if it can "do it." > > > Think about how many organ students there have been since > Poister's time to > now, > > and all of their repertoir. This sucker can do all of it. > Just because one-hundred bazillion students have played music of ALL > periods > on an organ PROVES NOTHING, except that the organ has led a very > busy life, > and there has been a good teacher close by. No offence, but > students are > among the most emotionally involved with their particular instrument > than any > other group of people (I remember well: been there, done that, got > the > t-shirt.) > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Ludwigtone? From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:20:44 EDT   The most recent American Organist had a home organ listed with a = Ludwigtone. I remembered how William Barnes also praised that stop, especially for accompanying singers. Are there any well known instruments in the = country with this stop? What about recordings with a Ludwigtone rank? Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:26:31 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 12:19:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes:   > I just did a wedding where, 3 minutes before the "start" time, the groom =   > discovers that he has forgotten the rings   Once I played for a wedding where the bride left her "something borrowed" = at home. She went and jumped into her car to go fetch it (a Southern = wedding, of course). She had been gone only a few minuted when her father = realized he had her house key, so he left to go catch her. They missed each other =   for about 45 minutes. She finally wound up "borrowing" something else = from someone in the wedding party. It's a cinch it wasn't a brain!!!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:27:50 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 12:26:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > Because...DA DAMN THINGS COST TOO MUCH!!! > > Now...see where I was coming from earlier?   Sorry, I don't. Building cost more than organs do, and they don't all = look alike! DAH!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:30:23 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 12:37:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > Well, I dunno....JSB seemed to think ET was a pretty keen idea way back > then, and it seems to have worked all these years... WRONGO! Bach NEVER heard equal temperament. He was advocating UNequal =   temperaments that accentuated various keys. His complaint was with meantone. His music is full of exploitation of the various key relationships.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:33:01 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 1:20:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:   > The Holtkamp at Syracuse University is world renound for BEING able to > play everything. Hogwash! I'll bet ten people could sit down at the console and come up = with 50 more stops that would make it more versatile. Geez. And the = Holtkamp sound to boot. What a riot!!!!   Come to think of it, the Mormon Tabernacle organ is also world reknown for =   being able to play "everything" but it can't either, and I would venture = to guess that it sounds a heck of a lot better than the Holtkamp!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:36:49 CDT   >I also want to hear distinctive instruments in other styles. WHY >MUST >THERE BE ONLY ONE STYLE OF INSTRUMENT????   This is getting really old. Perhaps you'd be happier living in Europe? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:40:48 CDT     >Well, I dunno....JSB seemed to think ET was a pretty keen idea way back   Shouldn't that be _Well_ tempered? ET was much later. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Ludwigtone? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:03:51 -0700   Any early Holtkamp in a high Episcopal or Roman Catholic church ... the Ludwigtone was invented to be (supposedly) a perfect "carpet" = accompaniment under Gregorian Chants.   In his later years, Holtkamp built a Swell Gemshorn (the closest he'd come = to building a string), which he'd pair with a celeste rank if you BEGGED = (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > The most recent American Organist had a home organ listed with a = Ludwigtone. > I remembered how William Barnes also praised that stop, especially for > accompanying singers. Are there any well known instruments in the = country > with this stop? What about recordings with a Ludwigtone rank? > Jerry in Seattle > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org