PipeChat Digest #1402 - Thursday, May 18, 2000
 
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
I have no clue what this subject line should be.
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Wedding Woes
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: RC question/Panama El Bombard Wurli
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: I have no clue what this subject line should be.
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
OHS Boston Registration?????? (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
RE: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
More on Rutz organs
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Marchand's Grand Dialogue in C
  by <WiegandCJ@aol.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I have no clue what this subject line should be.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
LARGE Turner console
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: LARGE Turner console
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Maynard Cuppy" <cuppy.maynard@mcleodusa.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:41:26 -0500   These here Yankees er jist as bad Maynard   Pepehomer@aol.com wrote:   > I just did a wedding where, 3 minutes before the "start" time, the groom > discovers that he has forgotten the rings. So, living only a block = away, he > rushes home and gets them, to arrive at 2:10 - ten minutes behind = schedule. > I'm then told to play more and not to start the processional music = because > the bride's parents haven't shown up yet. > Someone slap me before I agree to do another wedding for SOUTHERNERS! > > Justin Karch > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS > Rome, GA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:48:27 -0500   Do any weddings start on time?   Glenda (from the South and in the South)   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Wedding Woes     > I just did a wedding where, 3 minutes before the "start" time, the groom > discovers that he has forgotten the rings. So, living only a block = away, he > rushes home and gets them, to arrive at 2:10 - ten minutes behind schedule. > I'm then told to play more and not to start the processional music = because > the bride's parents haven't shown up yet. > Someone slap me before I agree to do another wedding for SOUTHERNERS!        
(back) Subject: I have no clue what this subject line should be. From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:52:55 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:52 PM Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...   > Sorry. Just because it CAN do what it was MEANT to do, DOES NOT mean that > is can do it RIGHT or CORRECTLY. If you listened to a Buxtehude = prelude and > fugue on the Holtkamp and then on an authentically reproduced = instrument, or > a Couperin Mass on the H and then on a reproduction period instrument, = you > WOULD hear the difference. It takes a while to develop discrimination = and to > train your ears to anticipate these beautiful sounds, but it can be done and > IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.   Hey, I've been to Europe! I've heard Bach on a SIlbermann, Franck on his Cavaille-Coll and Sweelinck on a.....wait, that was a Belgian Organ, but = it was a reproduction I tell you, a reproduction! (insert silly picture of me standing triumphant on my soapbox)   > Further, Holtkamp has a sound all its own (which > I happen to like), which further lessens the liklihood of its rendering > period music authentically. Play Franck on the H and then on a = French > romantic organ... there is no way the H can even come close. The = Franck on > the H will be interesting and enjoyable, but it will not be authentic.   Yeah, but how many people here have a Silbermann or a Cavaille-Coll in = their living room....   > I do not expect ANY instrument to be able to play everything well, and I > would not suggest that the H should be replaced with something else = "just > because," but please be objective and realistic. It CAN'T do it = all.... and > do it WELL, even if it can "do it."   So does that mean it should do nothing but Bacon, Hampton or Locklair? And just out of sheer curiosity, have you ever actually heard our Holtkamp? I think that you would be surprised. I kinda feel like you're condemning anything that isn't a reproduction.   > > Think about how many organ students there have been since Poister's = time to > now, > > and all of their repertoir. This sucker can do all of it. > Just because one-hundred bazillion students have played music of ALL periods > on an organ PROVES NOTHING, except that the organ has led a very busy life, > and there has been a good teacher close by. No offence, but students = are > among the most emotionally involved with their particular instrument = than any > other group of people (I remember well: been there, done that, got the > t-shirt.)   Except that I didn't actually play this instrument this year, I played the one in the chapel. ;)   I agree with you that Bach, Franck and automobiles....er...whoops...Sweelinck sound the best on their respective period instruments. However, I don't agree with you that organs that have the ability to play all of it are....whatever you said about the broomsticks. It's like what Bud said:   >I think there's a middle ground to be found here SOMEWHERE (grin) ... >and my personal opinion is that it's a good three-manual Hook & >Hastings, or Johnson, or Erben, or ... fill in your favorite 19th >century American organ-builder.   <snicker> I agree about the middle ground. I would agree about hte H&H, = but I'm sure I'll get my head ripped off at some point. ;)   Bud again:   >For all that it's fun to play a GDH Skinner for an Anglican service, or >revel in the clean austerity of a Hindemith Sonata on a big Holtkamp, >BOTH pale in comparison to the above-mentioned instruments, and their >successors, the eclectic instruments of Rosales, Fisk, etc. > >The genius of 19th century American organ-builders has been too much >neglected for too long.   I feel a gray area coming on. I'll back out now. -I- think certain organs can play at least a good variety of the repertoir very, very well. Such is our Holtkmap. And Bruce, if you like, I'll even tune it to unequal temperments for you. Just don't tell Dr. Marks. ;)   BTW, Rob Horton -does- have the T-Shirt.   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:32:44 +0800   Bruce, excuse me for saying it but that is rubbish!!!! My son is a well experienced organ tuner. He checked the scale of this instrument and = declared it to be practically perfect. Come down to earth man! An organ scale is a = purely mathematical device and who can say that computers can't do their maths? = Not me!   And the sound? Very good. Most enjoyable to play! It would fool most = people in the right environment. Why don't you try one? No! not your Boldone = Schpinettes! A REAL one! I mean a REAL one!   Bob E.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > Pardon me, but electronic machines are incapable of having individual = notes > actually working with each other and drawing in tune. If the = electronics > folks can't get the sound right, how can we trust them to get the tuning > right?? >    
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:36:17 +0800   Sheeee Bruce! You're hard to please! Bob E.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > Come to think of it, the Mormon Tabernacle organ is also world reknown = for > being able to play "everything" but it can't either, and I would venture = to > guess that it sounds a heck of a lot better than the Holtkamp! > > Bruce    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Woes From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:38:45 +0800   No! Not even in OZ! Bob E.   Glenda wrote:   > Do any weddings start on time? > > Glenda (from the South and in the South) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: Wedding Woes > > > I just did a wedding where, 3 minutes before the "start" time, the = groom > > discovers that he has forgotten the rings. So, living only a block = away, > he > > rushes home and gets them, to arrive at 2:10 - ten minutes behind > schedule. > > I'm then told to play more and not to start the processional music = because > > the bride's parents haven't shown up yet. > > Someone slap me before I agree to do another wedding for SOUTHERNERS! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: RC question/Panama El Bombard Wurli From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:04:16 -0500   Hi Bob- Just got thru writing to Dave Barton about the Panama Hilton = Wurli. It was a three-manual (tho you could see where the fourth manual was prepared to be). The instrument was behind glass on one wall and spoke thru ceiling swells scattered thru-out the lounge area. The traps and percs. were painted in flourescent colors. The whole ensemble was not at all over-powering, but = you knew it was there! I have a pic of me sitting on the bench nursing a CC-and-7 before Leroy Lewis began his evening gig.   Thanks, Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: I have no clue what this subject line should be. From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:22:41 -0500   At 5/18/00 07:52 AM, Rebekah quoted Brucie:   >> Sorry. Just because it CAN do what it was MEANT to do, DOES NOT mean >that >> is can do it RIGHT or CORRECTLY. <and>   >> I do not expect ANY instrument to be able to play everything well, and = I >> would not suggest that the H should be replaced with something else = "just >> because," but please be objective and realistic.   Indeed, Bruce -- please take your own advice and "be objective and REALISTIC" (my emphasis).   Your ideas for tuning and instrument design *might* hold a little water if you were designing *your own* personal instrument for your *living room*. However, the vast majority of real instruments in real situations are required to be a slight bit more versatile.   As to what is "right" or "wrong" in performance practice...I'd think that you are missing the important point: is it "MUSICAL"?? The folks in the pews don't give a hoot whether it's "authentic" for the most part (nor should they care, for that matter, as long as its musical). Let us not again fall into the trap of "playing our music for an audience of organists" -- we *all* should know by now where that will take us in the eyes of the public...and what kind of future that outlook affords us...   Bruce also wrote, in another post quoting Bob Elms:   >> Any organ which can only play in certain keys should be regarded as a >museum >> piece these days; it is of limited use.   >So what is wrong with limited use. The idea that everything must be = all >purpose just creates a bunch of mediocre "thing."   Sorry again, Brucie!   Nothing at all is wrong with the idea of a "limited-use" instrument, provided it is located in a "limited-use" situation (like a museum, university music dept., or living-room). Again, I point out that most situations for organs are *not* of this characteristic...   Also, your dismissal of all equally-tempered instruments as "mediocre 'things' " is patently ridiculous. Of course, such an instrument as built by a mediocre builder will likely be so...but your blanket statement is simply wrong.   Tim Bovard Little Rock, AR          
(back) Subject: OHS Boston Registration?????? (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:53:22 EDT   Has anyone gotten any OHS registration materials YET?????????? I think it = is ridiculous to expect church musicians not to be able to work their = schedules around before this time of year when the convention is two and a half = months away. Does ANYONE have ANY information????   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:17:12 EDT   Greetings All,   I find it very interesting that only we organist seem to be so retentive = as to desire antiquated instruments. The "oh I must have an 1920 Skinner or Kimball" "oh give the tubby, wooly, non-discript sound please" OR "give me =   screech please" "give me a COPY of some european organ with no strings, no =   swell, and a temperament so that anything with 5 flats of sharps sounds horrid"   Some thoughts: You practically never hear a pianist saying, "No I don't want to play the Mozart Concerto on a Steinway or Bosendorfer, get me a rickety 200 year = old job with orginal action - that'll be the best!"   J.S. Bach was one of the first and stauchest promoters of EQUAL = TEMPERAMENT - being a baroque composer and having dealt with unequal temperaments all his life - just why do you think HE was promoting Equal Temp. ??? DO we presume to be more musically knowledgeable than he?   All musical instruments since thier start have evolved into better instruments. Better for the listener, better for the player, better for = the composer. Why is it that only the organ prides it's self on being = backward more and more? And as far as ART is concerned let face it: a copy of anything is still just a copy no matter how good. A real artist makes = thier own fresh creation.   Until we learn that while the past has held many good ideas and thoughts - =   it has also held equally many mistakes. We need to learn from the mistakes =   and go on, not rebuild the mistakes and proclaim them wonderful - nor perpetuate the mistakes in the name of musical sanctity and historical piety. Skinner didn't think twice before altering a Hutchings, Harrison didn't think twice before altering a Skinner - we come along after two = great masters and say, "Oh my what a pity the organ has been altered" UGH   All the Best, The Maitre ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:31:10 -0500   May I respectfully suggest a spellcheck? I've heard both instruments and will agree that they are "renowned" for good reason. :-)   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:33 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...     In a message dated 5/18/00 1:20:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:   > The Holtkamp at Syracuse University is world renound for BEING able to > play everything. Hogwash! I'll bet ten people could sit down at the console and come up with 50 more stops that would make it more versatile. Geez. And the Holtkamp sound to boot. What a riot!!!!   Come to think of it, the Mormon Tabernacle organ is also world reknown for =   being able to play "everything" but it can't either, and I would venture = to guess that it sounds a heck of a lot better than the Holtkamp!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: More on Rutz organs From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:40:30 -0400   Mr. Rutz writes me:     Well, I am surprised that you had trouble finding my business address. Frankly, we are quite well known in the industry and by many organists in the midwest. Yes, I was in New York last week, as well as Connecticut, MA, = PA, MD, NC, OH, IN, IL, WI, and Iowa. And, believe it or not, I did business = in all of those states.   Our website - though very old - is located at rutzoci.com. Which is really Rutz Organ Company, Incorporated. Yes, it was a big rig semi and I was driving it around the eastern seaboard and the mid west, picking up and delivering instruments and/or parts.     Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Marchand's Grand Dialogue in C From: <WiegandCJ@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:45:03 EDT   In einer eMail vom 11.05.00 00:12:10 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreib= t=20 organdok@safari.net:   << I remember so very well the playing of the Marchand "Grand Dialogue in C" which was one of the required pieces at the National Competition in Houston.=20 [...] This is the Kalmus edition and includes a few suites, but nothing that looks like the grandest of grand jeus. In this edition, there are many pages and movements unmarked, so with a quick look-through at my desk this afternoon, I couldn't find the "song." >>     I think you got Kalmus Organ series No. 4142. This volume contains only the=20 Livre Premier (with an excellent Basse de Trompette on p.66). Kalmus Organ=20 series 4148 however contains the Deuxi=E8me - Cinqui=E8me Livres. The Troisi= =E8me=20 Livre (p. 229) is the Grand Dialogue you are lokking for.   I am not sure but I feel the Kalmus edition is a reprint of the Guilmant=20 edition, since the registration hints lokk more suitable for a Cavaill=E9-Co= ll=20 than for a Cliquot.   Sorry for my poor English.   Carl  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:47:52 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 1:41:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ray_ahrens@hotmail.com writes:   > Shouldn't that be _Well_ tempered? Well-tempered IS unequal. That's why it is considered "well" done!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck on meantone, Buxtehude on E.M. Skinner, etc. etc. etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:47:50 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 1:38:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ray_ahrens@hotmail.com writes:   > This is getting really old. Perhaps you'd be happier living in Europe? Absolutely, but I can't afford to move. However, the best organs are = being built in the United States. I'm just amazed at how many people are too underexposed and insulated to allow the possibility of enjoying = something different. Thread closed!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:47:53 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 2:33:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > HA! GOTCHA! It is documented...somewhere around here...that it is > thought that Bach did indeed tune his students' claviichords to what = was to > become ET, "what was to become" being the operative part of the statement! Bach = STILL never heard equal temperament as we are afflicted with it today!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:47:55 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 8:36:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   > A REAL one! I mean a REAL one! I would try a REAL one; however, they are NOT real. I have neither the =   desire nor inclination to subject my ears to these things. Don't care = to be fooled/made a fool of, either! I can happily finish my life without hearing another appliance pseudo-organ substitute.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: I have no clue what this subject line should be. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:47:54 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 7:55:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:   > I kinda feel like you're condemning > anything that isn't a reproduction. > Nope! You're missing my point... that being that there IS room for different styles of organs, rather than having them all be play-all ecumenical eclectic equal temperament electropneumatic compromises. I didn't condemn any style; I simply stated a preference for diversity.     This really is the end of this thread for me!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:55:06 EDT   In a message dated 5/18/00 10:18:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   > J.S. Bach was one of the first and stauchest promoters of EQUAL = TEMPERAMENT > - being a baroque composer and having dealt with unequal temperaments = all > his life - just why do you think HE was promoting Equal Temp. ??? DO = we > presume to be more musically knowledgeable than he? Bach did not promote "equal temperament"... he promoted WELL-temperament which is unequal, with each key having its own tonality.... hence, the Well-Tempered Clavier!   As a string player, I know that stringed instruments to not play in equal temperament. There is a DIFFERENCE between a D-flat and a C-sharp. = This is one of the things that gives chamber music its charm.   Organists (those with open minds) are beginning to recapture the = uniqueness of un-equal temperaments. THere are many, and they differ in their = severity, each having a peculiar beauty. I think Franck, Reger, and Howells all sound better on Valotti temperament, a very mild, but still unequal temperament. But that is my preference. I don't intend to impose it on you, and certainly don't expect to have your preference imposed upon me. = I only wish that there would be tolerance for different styles and musical growth among organists. Being narrow minded is so unproductive. Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: LARGE Turner console From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:09:48   Awhile back, someone was asking about Robert Turner's work. An example of a large Turner console can be seen at:   http://www.members.home.net/beicher/Organ.htm   The organ's specification is certainly worth perusing. It weighs in a 120 ranks, half M=F6ller, half Walker Digital, so I'm sure that'll miff the purists in here. A "French music marathon" is to held at the church to inaugurate the new console on Sunday, May 21st, from 2 to 7 PM, played by >>15<< Baltimore area organists, and just about every conceivable piece of French organ literature will be performed...hokey smokes!! Enclosed is the program per Jack Clotworthy:   2:00 - -David Brock Choral No.3 in a minor-- C=E9sar Franck Cort=E8ge et Litanie-- Marcel Dupr=E9   2:20 - -Seoyoung Cho Suite M=E9dieval-- Jean Langlais Improvisation: Te Deum -- Tournemire   2:40 - - Donald Sutherland Symphonie V-- Charles Marie Widor Allegro vivace, Adagio, and Toccata   *3:00 - - Samuel Springer Grand Choeur Triomphal-- Alexandre Guilmant   Je rends grace a mon Dieu from Le Tombeau d'Olivier Messiaen-- Naji Hakim Final (Symphony No. 1)-- Louis Vierne   3:20 - - Theodore Feldmann: Suite du Deuxi=E8me Ton-- Louis-Nicolas Cl=E9rambault (1676-1749) (Suite on the Second Tone) 1. Plein Jeu 2. Duo 4. Basse de Cromorne 5. Flutes 6. Recit de Nazard 7. Caprice sur Les Grands Jeux   *3:40 - - Mary Hamlin-Spencer Final -- C=E9sar Franck Symphonie II-- Louis Vierne Choral   4:00 - - Bruce Eicher La Nativit=E9-- Jean Langlais Pr=E9lude et Fugue en Si majeur-- Marcel Dupr=E9   4:20 - - Donald Fries Dialogue sur les Mixtures (Suite Br=E8ve)-- Jean Langlais Pi=E8ces en style libre, Op. 31-- Louis Vierne Arabesque   4:40 PM David Dasch Berceuse sur les Paroles Classiques-- Louis Vierne   Grand Choeur in B Flat Major-- Th=E9odore Dubois   Chant de Paix-- Jean Langlais   Marche R=E9ligieuse (based on a theme of H=E4ndel)-- Alexandre Guilmant   *5:00 - - Randy Mullin Combat of Life and Death (The Glorified Bodies) - -Olivier Messiaen   Carillon-Sortie-- Henri Mulet     *5:20 - - Joy Hecker Grand Dialogue-- Louis Marchand (1669-1732)   Choral Varie sur le Veni Creator-- Maurice Durufl=E9   5:40 - - Mark Husey 6:00 - - Michael Britt In Paradisum (Requiem)-- Gabriel Faur=E9 (arr. By Marcel Dupr=E9) Vicimae Paschali-- Charles Tournemire   6:20 - - Kevin Clemens Sonata in d minor, Op. 42-- Alexander Guilmant   6:40 - - Chapman Gonzalez Messe pour les Couvents-- Fran=E7ois Couperin Plein Jeu (Premier couplet du Kyrie) =C9l=E9vation (Ti=E8rce en Taille)   Choeur de Vois Humaines-- Louis James Alfred Lef=E9bure-W=E9ly   Carillon de Westminster-- Louis Vierne   I can only assume that the entire organ is tuned to ET, since it contains those pesky pipes that have to be knocked into submission everytime temperment is to be changed...hehehe!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: LARGE Turner console From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:26:55 EDT   Another example of a large Turner console can be seen at Royce Hall UCLA. It's a beauty!   Mick Berg.  
(back) Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs... From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:27:15 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cremona502@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: Re: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic vs...   > Organists (those with open minds) are beginning to recapture the uniqueness   Bruce, I'm really starting to resent some of these remarks. I feel that I have an open mind. I love ALL kinds of organs. I've even been known to = say, "hey, that's a pretty decent Allen". I don't mind a Hammond now and again. And Theater Organs are pretty cool. You already knocked the = Holtkamp....and you never answered as to whether or not you'v heard it. If not, then you probably shouldn't be making comments about what it can or can't do.   But why am -I- close-minded because I haven't heard Sweelinck on an organ from the Netherlands???!!! Why am I close-minded for not preferring = Unequal temperments to Equal Temperment????   > you, and certainly don't expect to have your preference imposed upon me. I > only wish that there would be tolerance for different styles and musical > growth among organists. Being narrow minded is so unproductive.   ???!!! Am I missing something here?! I thought -you- were the one being narrow-minded! Somebody, pull me outta the water here, I'm -really- confused....   -Rebekah