PipeChat Digest #1415 - Wednesday, May 24, 2000
 
Re: Social justice and RC salaries and schedules
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Xpost: Recital Program -- Tyler Robertson UFla
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
theatre organ question
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
uncalled for comments
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
adding a reed stop
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: theatre organ question
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Re: ethics
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Mr. Jan S. VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Social justice and RC salaries and schedules From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:42:14   At 04:51 PM 5/23/2000 EDT, you wrote: >they were fidgety and in a hurry to "get their magic >wafer" and get out and go to work. (Direct quote from Monsignor = describing >the attitudes of many of the attendees at that Liturgy.)<snip>   I think I'd really like the Monsignor. He's one of those rare realists = you run into now and then in the church. I worked at one RC that had another Monsignor who was of similar mindset; unfortunately, the Bishop didn't think he was "worthy", so he wound up in a Kleenex box down in the = Imperial valley with the illegals, replaced by an overtly pious "yes man" who would bend to the bishop's wishes.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:06:55 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????     > >(and what is "The Ray Gun Era???")<snip> > >Otherwise known as the "greed is good era" of the 1980's, personified by = a >president of little intelligence>   Boy am I glad the one we have now is a pillar of ,,,???????   >other interests in furthering their own goals. It was during this time >that we saw a major disintegration of respect for employees as a group by >profit-hungry managerial types in the corporate arena,>   This is nothing new to the 80s,   >other excesses and goofs, like the huge mountain of national debt we're >finally starting to pay off.>   NOT !! only the annual deficet has slowed. But someone has to make the money and create the jobs or nothing happens including pay for the organist or money to build the organs.(back on = subject ha) Luther >    
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:54:56 -0500   At 5/23/00 05:06 PM, Luther wrote:   <BIG SNIP>   >NOT !! only the annual deficet has slowed. >But someone has to make the money and create the jobs or nothing happens >including pay for the organist or money to build the organs.(back on = subject >ha)   Ladies and Gentlemen, and Luther,   I am quite aware that *I* am not a moderator of this list, and thus have = no legitimate right to ask the following of you all, but nonetheless I would like to go out on this limb and plead with you all:   Can we all please refrain from starting (or continuing) a political debate on the list?? PLEEEASE???   I can think of few other things that would be so guaranteed to create nothing but flames upon flames, filling my (and your) mailboxes with messages that really have nothing at all to do with *organs* (despite any token 'organ' references thrown in for good measure).   David and Peter: I truly hope you both will forgive me for being so bold. =   Everyone else: I hope you will also forgive me for assuming that I am not the only one that does *not* want the list to "go there" again...   Humbly, but sincerely,   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR <tmbovard@arkansas.net>          
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:51:30   At 05:54 PM 5/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I can think of few other things that would be so guaranteed to create >nothing but flames upon flames<snip>   Well, jes' about anything's liable to "flame" out here today in da desert! 105=B0 again today, no end in sight...record heat continues!   'Tis handy, though...one does not need to consume energy to cook a hefty breakfast. One simply needs to crack one's eggs on the driveway!   Omeletting in da desert,   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:04 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/00 12:42:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > Two reactions (a) ghost schmost, probably one or the church members was > >hoaxing you<snip> > I used to think the same thing...until I ran into one! The rush of =   chilly > air is the tipoff. Gee, Bob! Are you sure it isn't just GAS???? ;-)   However, I have lived in a house with a haunted room. It was one of the upstairs bedrooms in an 1824 tavern house. When we slept in that room, = the beagles would not sleep. Meghann would sit next to my head facing the = door to the center hall; Duncan and Miles would sit at the foot of the bed on each corner, with their backs to each other. At short intervals = throughout the night, all three dogs would growl a deep, threatening growl. It = was sort of cool! hehe     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:08 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/00 3:42:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave_hat@hotmail.com writes:   > They still sway me. Who hasn't heard a theater organ and said to > themselves, "Wow! Now that's what organs are supposed to sound like!" Um... ME, for one! ;-) hehehehe   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Catholic Organist????? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:08 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/00 3:12:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diaphone64@hotmail.com writes:   > The priests first question was "Is he Catholic?" The > party told him that he played at the UCC church in town. The priest = said, > "No! He's not Catholic!" I remember when I left my RC job. Whenever they looked at a prospective applicant, that was the question. Not, can he play the organ. Not, does = he know anything about liturgical music. They now have someone who is RC, = but has minimal keyboard skills and "wanted" to get into church music. This parish that formerly had organ at four of five weekend masses, plus = weddings, funerals and holy days, now and organ at ONE weekend mass, few holy days, = and some funerals. It's otherwise either the piano or gittarz!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Xpost: Recital Program -- Tyler Robertson UFla From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:07 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/00 2:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, darylrobinson@hotmail.com writes:   > Perhaps one reason for Tyler's pedal technique is that he studied with Joyce > Jones at Baylor for a POE. Very possible. I will publish more information on him after I've talked with him more. Can we help make this guy famous, maybe??? ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Hope-Jones... what a character. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:09 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/00 5:28:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   > Shortly after Mr. Harrison came to the USA he was sent to service an = Estey > theater organ with a "luminous" console. To show his contempt for this > creation he left a certain pattern of stops set in the stop controls. = For > those of you that have never seen a luminous console ( I haven't ), the =   > stops > light up when pulled, hence the name. When the lights went down for the =   next > > show, there was the luminous console with it's stops glowing brightly.   teehee we used to do this a the Rogers studio in Houston when I was a student. Gotta love those big three manual consoles sitting in the = window displaying four-letter words to passers-by. hehehehehe (hmm. I think I =   still have the key to that combination action, too... Well, I WAS = young!)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: theatre organ question From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:32:50 EDT   By definition, a "straight" theatre organ is an oxymoron. TOs are "unit", with lots of unification to cover all the possible sound combinations. Theatre organs differ also in that there are no separate "organs" as with = a classical "swell" "great" "antiphonal" or "pedal", etc. TOs are often installed in several chambers, however, there is little thought beyond = more powerful ranks being placed in the Solo chamber and the softer ranks in = the Main chamber as to what ranks belong where.   Theatre organs were designed to imitate as many possible tonal colors as possible as cheaply as possible. By adding a sub and a super octave to = each of the ranks, one could purchase an organ with a wider variety of possible =   voices. In a typical 16 rank Wurlitzer I am familiar with, for example, = there are nine reed ranks. 2 Voxes, two Oboes, Sax, Trumpet, Kinura, Clarinet, = and Tuba. In the average 16 rank church or classical instrument, one would = find at most two reeds, if that many.   By comparison, the Sanfilippo 5/80 would need to be enlarged to roughly = 400 ranks (5 times its current size) if it would have been built as a = "straight" instrument. One need only count the number of couplers (Gr.8 to Gt.16, = Gr.8 to Gt.4, Gr.8 to Gt.2, Gr.8 to Gt.2 2/3, etc.) and multiply by the number = of ranks to arrive at such a huge number.   How many 400 rank organs exist? (classical or theatrical).   A 16 rank straight theatre organ would sound like a, er, church organ with =   fast trems, IMHO.   Summary: Unification allows at least five times the tonal variety of that available in a straight organ.   Hope this helps, Stan Krider     quilisma@socal.rr.com recently asked:   <snip> Not being a theatre organ person, I'm curious ... has anyone ever built a more-or-less straight theatre organ? I think that big travelling Moller = wasn't nearly as unified as its Wurlitzer cousins, but I'm curious if anyone else = has ever experimented with making a straight one. I suppose it would cost = several fortunes, if you wanted to have EVERY tab connected to an independent = rank, but there ARE organs like that out there ... West Point, Wanamaker's, Atlantic =   City, etc.    
(back) Subject: uncalled for comments From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:32:51 EDT   I agree. Such comments are tantamount to shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre. Free speech has limits. This die-hard Protestant did not = appreciate the questionable references to the Pope. My opinion of the writer has = dropped several notches as a result. I hope his comments pertaining to the pipe = organ are not also as reproachable.   Stan Krider     Stephen Ohmer recently observed: <snip> This posting is not only ridiculous in several places, but very bigoted and has no place on this list.    
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:30:14 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:51 PM     At 05:54 PM 5/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>I can think of few other things that would be so guaranteed to create >>nothing but flames upon flames<snip>   >Well, jes' about anything's liable to "flame" out here today in da deser= t! >105=B0 again today, no end in sight...record heat continues! <snip>   >DeserTBoB   Love your letters DeserTBoB my previous letter looked meaner than intended. good grief 105 ,,, globel warming? Luther, in perfect temperature Minnesota    
(back) Subject: adding a reed stop From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:39:36 -0500   HI list, I would like an opinion here please. We are thinking about adding a reed stop to the 1922 Pilcher organ at church that is being rebuilt . I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' cornopean. The stop list is this. GT. open dia. 8, melodia 8 and dulciana 8. Sw. aeoline 8, stopped dia. 8, viola 8, harmonic flute 4. Ped. bourdon 16. IMHO I would like to see a round, full sounding reed in the organ that will not be too over powering. I think it should be available to be played on all manuals and pedal without being coupled to add to versatility to the organ. Thanks for your opinion. Gary      
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:56:08 -0500   At 5:54 PM -0500 5/23/2000, Tim Bovard wrote: > >I am quite aware that *I* am not a moderator of this list, and thus have = no >legitimate right to ask the following of you all, but nonetheless I would >like to go out on this limb and plead with you all: > >Can we all please refrain from starting (or continuing) a political = debate >on the list?? PLEEEASE???   Folks   I thank Tim for this posting since I have been driving all day on my way from Michigan back home to Florida and have not been able to monitor this thread.   I know that there are some people on this list that have their problems with the RC Church but PLEASE keep your personal feelings about this and/or any other denomination out of the postings to the list. Every time these comes up there are complaints from other members who feel offended by something that has been said. This list is not the place to air those greviences.   And now back to Happy PipeChatting   David   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT)   David, We're glad your trip was a safe one!    
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:27:53 -0500   Gary- A trumpet may be too strong. Go for the Cornopean. With it, you = have snarl, but not a growl.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: theatre organ question From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:29:34 -0700   When talking about theater organs, it should be noted that the earliest instruments installed in theaters were not necessarily unit organs. There were Kimballs, Esteys and many others that differed little (if at all) = from standard church/concert design. No doubt some had fancier consoles; the = few examples I've seen (in photos) don't even go that far. Some even had drawknobs rather than stopkeys....   In the same vein, Wurlitzer was hardly the most ardent adherent to the everything-everywhere-at-every-pitch syndrome. By unit organ standards, = some Wurlitzers were pretty skimpy, unification-wise. An eight-rank organ built by Page, for example, might well have more stopkeys than a Wurlitzer of twice the size.   The one comment from Stan Krider with which I take mild exception is his characterization of the Wurlitzer chamber layout. It was not so much a = case of loud stops in the Solo and soft stops in the Main; more accurately, the Main was primarily filled with accompaniment ranks. This was a simplification of the Hope-Jones idea, which was to have various tonal families (brass, strings, woodwinds, Diapasons, etc.) housed in their own chambers.   I must say--scoff, o ye purists of both camps--that a non-unit theater = organ would be a wonderful device indeed. Having a separate rank for each pitch = of a Tibia, for example--every one scaled and regulated to blend best with = its fellows--would be far nicer than deriving every pitch from a single rank. Ditto strings, reeds and everything else. If I had the time, space and resources to build up an 80-rank theater organ, that's what I'd want to = do, not simply amass a huge pile of 8' ranks that electronics allowed me to access at several pitches. Sen. Richards' Kimball in Atlantic City (mentioned before) is a good example of what theater organs could be, finances willing. I only wish Wurlitzer had built such instruments.   The unit organ--which I love--was created as a matter of expediency. It = does indeed allow more tonal variety (not all of it good!) than a straight = organ of equal size, but its primary reason for being was financial, not = artistic. It's a way of getting more for less, and if it has definite tonal = failings, as it does, those weaknesses aren't particularly noticeable unless someone chooses to play Bach on one for a roomful of trained ears.   Ray    
(back) Subject: Re: ethics From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:37:30 EDT   In a message dated 5/23/00 2:30:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > If the AGO chapters > would function more like the local guilds they're supposed to be and > prosecute members for cause when they try stuff contrary to the Code = thus > stated, the lot of organists would be a bit better for certain! Yup! ... and the guild would be smaller , too!! ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Catholic Organist????? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:37:27 EDT   In a message dated 5/23/00 2:29:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > I disagree. Job-hunting is the name of the game in any field these = days; > loyalty to an employer is a foreign concept now, and usually just gets = you > booted out eventually, whether it be a church or a typical corporation > nowadays. Good grief! you're almost as synical as ME!!! hehehehe   > 20 years ago, of course, this wasn't the case, as there was a fairly > unwritten contract of loyalty between employers and employees. The > nefarious RayGun era of the '80s took care of that forever. AAAACCCHH! You're such a Democrappe! ;-)   > Unfortunately, this "new" concept of labor > relations is lost on most organists and choir masters, most of whom = slave > away week by week, simply marking time until they're unceremoniously = sacked > by a head-tripping pastor or snooty music committee. The name of the game now is "don't give a damn!" Actually, you should = loan them either!!! ;-)     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:40:57 EDT   In a message dated 5/23/00 10:36:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmelby@prtel.com writes:   > good grief 105 ,,, globel warming? > Luther, in perfect temperature Minnesota > TTTHHHBBBTTTTHHH! It's not global warming. It's the TUBES from = DesSeRtBoBz Baldone schpinnette 5-manual straight TO!!   bbbbwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:44:24 EDT   In a message dated 5/23/00 11:03:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gblack@ocslink.com writes:   > We are thinking about > adding a reed stop to the 1922 Pilcher organ at church that is being > rebuilt . I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' cornopean. > The stop list is this. GT. open dia. 8, melodia 8 and dulciana 8. > Sw. aeoline 8, stopped dia. 8, viola 8, harmonic flute 4. Ped. > bourdon 16.   My experience at OHS recitals has been that organs with one one reed are = more successful is that reed is an Oboe. Trumpets really need a strong chorus = and other reeds to blend with to really work well. As a solo stop they are usually too loud. The oboe is most successful when approached as an = oboe and not as an oboe/trumpet and being expected to do double duty; in this instance, they usually wind up doing neither well!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Mr. Jan S. VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:58:40 -0400   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > > My experience at OHS recitals has been that organs with one one reed are = more > successful is that reed is an Oboe. Trumpets really need a strong = chorus and > other reeds to blend with to really work well. As a solo stop they are > usually too loud. The oboe is most successful when approached as an = oboe > and not as an oboe/trumpet and being expected to do double duty; in = this > instance, they usually wind up doing neither well! > > Bruce   RIGHT ON BRUCE! The oboe will be just right to solo over the Dulciana and/or Melodia on the Great if the Oboe is placed in the Swell. Yet, it also is nice as an accompanimental stop cause it doesnt overpower the entire organ.   On my tuning rounds I am responsible for a Hillgreen-Lane organ. The Swell Oboe is a beauty to play against the Great division. If anyone is interested I can post the specs. In some ways unfortunately the organ is no longer a tracker. Actually, it may have been tubular-pneumatic or an early electric action, but I'll have to check. Anyone have Hillgreen-Lane opus lists around?   Take care, all   Jan VanDerStad  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:42:07   At 05:39 PM 5/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >HI list, I would like an opinion here please. We are thinking about >adding a reed stop to the 1922 Pilcher organ at church that is being >rebuilt . I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' = cornopean.<snip>   Hard to say just from a post on the list, but I'd probably go for the "corny". It's an all-around good "general purpose" reed in a smallish organ like this, without being overpowering like a full trompete.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:16:40   At 11:44 PM 5/23/2000 EDT, you wrote: >My experience at OHS recitals has been that organs with one one reed are more >successful is that reed is an Oboe.<snip>   Yes, another "eggsellent" choice, and a bit more versatile than the = "corny".   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:16:53 EDT   In a message dated 5/23/00 11:58:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcob@nac.net =   writes:   > On my tuning rounds I am responsible for a Hillgreen-Lane organ. The > Swell Oboe is a beauty to play against the Great division. If anyone = is > interested I can post the specs. Silly boy!!! Of course we want the specs!   Thanky...   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:28:21 EDT   Gary--- I agree with most,, a trumpet is too "strong" for that sized pipe = organ. Cornopean---Yes,,,if voiced "down"---and they do come in a lot of = different "flavors" They were a versatile and oft found stop, albeit in a bit larger =   organ. My pick--if available--would be the Oboe,,,,not "orchestral" but = just "oboe". Many small organs the size and vintage that you mention had an = Oboe, and in the case of Estey, that vintage and size would probably have been replete with a "reedless oboe". The Oboe would ensemble nicely if well voiced, and would be a most useful solo stop. Just my opinion. Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:40:05 -0700   If you contact Alan Laufman at Organ Clearing House you can probably GET a vintage Pilcher oboe of the right scale and wind-pressure. I'd prefer that to a Cornopean or a modern reed from somewhere else.   Cheers,   Bud   Gary Black wrote:   > HI list, I would like an opinion here please. We are thinking about > adding a reed stop to the 1922 Pilcher organ at church that is being > rebuilt . I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' cornopean. > The stop list is this. GT. open dia. 8, melodia 8 and dulciana 8. > Sw. aeoline 8, stopped dia. 8, viola 8, harmonic flute 4. Ped. > bourdon 16. IMHO I would like to see a round, full sounding reed in > the organ that will not be too over powering. I think it should be > available to be played on all manuals and pedal without being coupled > to add to versatility to the organ. Thanks for your opinion. Gary > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:28:29   At 01:16 AM 5/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/23/00 11:58:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = dcob@nac.net >writes: > >> On my tuning rounds I am responsible for a Hillgreen-Lane organ. The >> Swell Oboe is a beauty to play against the Great division. If anyone = is >> interested I can post the specs. >Silly boy!!! Of course we want the specs!<snip>   Oooh goody! Does it have a horseshoe console?? I need one to go along with my logo that bReWsE made 4 me! hehehehhe!   dB