PipeChat Digest #1416 - Wednesday, May 24, 2000
 
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Re: oboe vs. cornopean
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
Noodles in the Subbass
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: oboe vs. cornopean
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Noodles in the Subbass
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Re: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: oboe vs. cornopean
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re:TO MP3s
  by "Daniel W Hopkins" <danielwh@homefreeweb.com>
Re: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Xpost: Recital Program -- Tyler Robertson UFla
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Fw: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: adding a reed stop
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: social justice and salaries
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: adding a reed stop
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Noodles in the Subbass
  by "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com>
oboe vs. cornopean vs. trumpet vs. clarinet vs. crumhorn vs.  kazoo-en-ch
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: social justice and salaries
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
theatre organ question
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
salaries
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:TO MP3s
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: social justice and salaries
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:28:41 PDT   >I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' >cornopean.   My vote for what's it's worth: Go with the Cornopean. Everyone has a trumpet of some style or other, Cornopeans are not so = common and will give an otherwise fairly unexciting instrument a bit of = character.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: oboe vs. cornopean From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:38:19 PDT   >RIGHT ON BRUCE! The oboe will be just right to solo   On the other hand, well, everyone has an oboe. Here an oboe, there an = oboe, everywhere an oboe oboe oboe. If you want a reedy reed rather than a hornlike reed, another possibility would be a Crumhorn.   But I still vote cornopean... unless a reedless oboe can be found... well, =   then you know my partiality toward reedless reeds, now a reedless cornopean.... :-)   Actually now that I think about it maybe I'll try a reedless cornopean for =   that small organ I mentioned a while back.   DG   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Noodles in the Subbass From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:22:54 -0500   I thought I had seen everything, but yesterday I came across a new first in organ building: noodles in the Subbass chest. We were investigating a complaint from the organist of a Methodist church that there was a sporadic cipher in the Pedal Subbass of her 1966 three-manual M=F6ller.=20 Imagine our astonishment when we found the problem was caused by pasta noodles. Six shell noodles and five macaroni noodles to be precise. We are somewhat mystified as to how they could have got there. They seemed to have been there a long time and we wondered if they have been the lunch of some M=F6ller employee back in 1966, except that they did not ever seem to have been cooked.   John Speller St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Re: oboe vs. cornopean From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:27:08 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G. <dave_hat@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 5:38 AM Subject: Re: oboe vs. cornopean     > >RIGHT ON BRUCE! The oboe will be just right to solo > > On the other hand, well, everyone has an oboe. Here an oboe, there an oboe, > everywhere an oboe oboe oboe. > If you want a reedy reed rather than a hornlike reed, another = possibility > would be a Crumhorn.   <QQQQQUUUUUUAAAAACCCCKKKk!!!> ;-)    
(back) Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:28:08 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org>; Martin Culverwell <mpcul@aol.com>; Robert Mullgardt <mullgardt@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:22 AM Subject: Noodles in the Subbass     > I thought I had seen everything, but yesterday I came across a new first > in organ building: noodles in the Subbass chest.   John, I am ROFLMAO. And I thought bats were bad!!   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:42:55 EDT   In a message dated 5/24/00 7:25:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 jlspeller@stlnet.com writes:   << They seemed to have been there a long time and we wondered if they have been the lunch of some M=F6ller employee back in 1966, except that they did not ever seem to have been cooked. >   I bet a mouse got into the pasta in the church kitchen and somehow got it=20 into the chest. (Maybe through the wind system) I'm sure all of you are=20 familiar with church dinners.......Mac & cheese, pasta salad, macaroni=20 salad.......need I say more? Church dinners have kept the pasta industry=20 alive for years.=20   Tim  
(back) Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:52:05 -0400       Posthorn8@aol.com wrote:   > I bet a mouse got into the pasta in the church kitchen and somehow got = it > into the chest. (Maybe through the wind system) I'm sure all of you are > familiar with church dinners.......Mac & cheese, pasta salad, macaroni > salad.......need I say more? Church dinners have kept the pasta industry > alive for years.   In addition, pasta is a very handy arts and craft supply for Sunday school (and preschool if the church runs one).  
(back) Subject: Re: oboe vs. cornopean From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:51:13 -0500   Rebekah Ingram wrote:   > > On the other hand, well, everyone has an oboe. Here an oboe, there an > oboe, > > everywhere an oboe oboe oboe. > > If you want a reedy reed rather than a hornlike reed, another = possibility > > would be a Crumhorn. > > <QQQQQUUUUUUAAAAACCCCKKKk!!!> ;-)   At Quimby Pipe Organs we have started using a Cromorne (ours is a fairly large scale, based on a Skinner Clarinet and tends more to a Clarinet than a Krummhorn, sounding nice and woody in the bass) as the Swell reed on small organs, and this seems to work very well. The problem with the Oboe is that often it is NOT interesting (in spite of what G. Donald Harrison said to the contrary!) On a larger instrument, there is nothing like a Cornopean, however, for making a nice fat Full Swell sound!   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re:TO MP3s From: "Daniel W Hopkins" <danielwh@homefreeweb.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:11:27 -0300     Does anyone know where I could get some nice TO Mp3s I found one Some may be interested It is the Portland Oregons former Organ Grinder A Christmas Melody 16 megs it takes up of space and Is 15 mins long http://206.132.245.136:70/?audiofindsearch=3Dpipe+organ&audiofindsize=3D0 Thanks Daniel       GET THE BEST FREE INTERNET ACCESS *Free Email***Free Support***Free Software***No Credit Check***Privacy = Guaranteed* GO TO http://www.homefreeweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:01 -0500   >I thought I had seen everything, but yesterday I came across a new first >in organ building: noodles in the Subbass chest. We were investigating >a complaint from the organist of a Methodist church that there was a >sporadic cipher in the Pedal Subbass of her 1966 three-manual M=F6ller. >Imagine our astonishment when we found the problem was caused by pasta >noodles. Six shell noodles and five macaroni noodles to be precise. We >are somewhat mystified as to how they could have got there. They seemed >to have been there a long time and we wondered if they have been the >lunch of some M=F6ller employee back in 1966, except that they did not >ever seem to have been cooked.   I would think mice. They carry the darndest things around. Does the place have a kitchen? Maybe left overs from a community dinner?   John V      
(back) Subject: RE: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist????? From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:43:05 -0500   Hey, big deal -- we had 112 F.... :-~   -----Original Message----- From: Bob Scarborough [mailto:desertbob@rglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:52 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: was Re: Jobs in Church Re: Catholic Organist?????     At 05:54 PM 5/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I can think of few other things that would be so guaranteed to create >nothing but flames upon flames<snip>   Well, jes' about anything's liable to "flame" out here today in da = desert! 105=B0 again today, no end in sight...record heat continues!   'Tis handy, though...one does not need to consume energy to cook a = hefty breakfast. One simply needs to crack one's eggs on the driveway!   Omeletting in da desert,   DeserTBoB   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Xpost: Recital Program -- Tyler Robertson UFla From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:11:01 -0500   Get him to send a tape to From the Top (see www.fromthetop.net). I've already suggested including an organist in a future show to Chris O'Riley, the host. They could braodcast from Busch Hall at Harvard (Flentrop) or = the Sherman Union at BU (Nelson Barden, et al.) since Chris's alma mater, NEC, doesn't have a concert hall instrument that's functional.   Peter       -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:41 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Xpost: Recital Program -- Tyler Robertson UFla     In a message dated 5/22/00 2:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, darylrobinson@hotmail.com writes:   > Perhaps one reason for Tyler's pedal technique is that he studied with Joyce > Jones at Baylor for a POE. Very possible. I will publish more information on him after I've talked with him more. Can we help make this guy famous, maybe??? ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Fw: Noodles in the Subbass From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:25:04 -0500   What!! -no maranara sauce?     ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass     >I thought I had seen everything, but yesterday I came across a new first >in organ building: noodles in the Subbass chest. We were investigating >a complaint from the organist of a Methodist church that there was a >sporadic cipher in the Pedal Subbass of her 1966 three-manual M=F6ller. >Imagine our astonishment when we found the problem was caused by pasta >noodles. Six shell noodles and five macaroni noodles to be precise. We >are somewhat mystified as to how they could have got there. They seemed >to have been there a long time and we wondered if they have been the >lunch of some M=F6ller employee back in 1966, except that they did not >ever seem to have been cooked.   I would think mice. They carry the darndest things around. Does the place have a kitchen? Maybe left overs from a community dinner?   John V       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: adding a reed stop From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:24:24 -0500   Gary:   I had a cornopean 8' on the swell of a 1924 E.M. Skinner (II/12) I played = as a kid. I remember it pretty much as you describe your desired addition. = If you're confident you can have the new rank voiced to match your Pilcher = you should be very pleased with the result.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Gary Black [mailto:gblack@ocslink.com] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:40 PM To: PipeChat Subject: adding a reed stop     HI list, I would like an opinion here please. We are thinking about adding a reed stop to the 1922 Pilcher organ at church that is being rebuilt . I was thinking of either an 8' trompete or an 8' cornopean. The stop list is this. GT. open dia. 8, melodia 8 and dulciana 8. Sw. aeoline 8, stopped dia. 8, viola 8, harmonic flute 4. Ped. bourdon 16. IMHO I would like to see a round, full sounding reed in the organ that will not be too over powering. I think it should be available to be played on all manuals and pedal without being coupled to add to versatility to the organ. Thanks for your opinion. Gary       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Noodles in the Subbass From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:26:59 -0500   Any homeless souls residing in the chambers?   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: John L. Speller [mailto:jlspeller@stlnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:23 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org; Martin Culverwell; Robert Mullgardt Subject: Noodles in the Subbass     I thought I had seen everything, but yesterday I came across a new first in organ building: noodles in the Subbass chest.  
(back) Subject: Re: social justice and salaries From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:44:10 -0400   Just to add to the statistical database.   Today, in New York, among Lutherans, "scale" for a rent-a-presider to come in and preside and preach on a Sunday morning is $100. "Scale" for an organist to come in and sub (choir rehearsal at 9, mass at 11) is $150. = So at St. Luke's we pay clergy $200 just to salve their egos. I think the = paid section-leaders get $65 to $75; brass, etc., varies wildly depending on = the day--easily $400 per horn for Easter (rehearsal and service).   Alan   > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > Subject: social justice and RC salaries > > I think I got a dollar a Mass in those days, and it came out of the = priest's > five-dollar stipend. And I DIDN'T get room, board, or medical. >    
(back) Subject: Re: adding a reed stop From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:12:40 +0800   I don't know about that. The organ I play has a chorus reed on the swell - = the only reed. It is a Horn 8 and it is very useful as a solo stop or as a = chorus reed adding considerable fire to the swell and the full organ. With the = box closed it is not unlike an oboe, and can be used in place of an oboe as a = solo stop. Bob E.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/23/00 11:03:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > gblack@ocslink.com writes: > > successful is that reed is an Oboe. Trumpets really need a strong = chorus and > other reeds to blend with to really work well. As a solo stop they are > usually too loud. The oboe is most successful when approached as an = oboe > and not as an oboe/trumpet and being expected to do double duty; in = this > instance, they usually wind up doing neither well! > > Bruce > .    
(back) Subject: Re: Noodles in the Subbass From: "Dave G." <dave_hat@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:46:53 PDT   >Six shell noodles and five macaroni noodles to be precise. We >are somewhat mystified as to how they could have got there.   Maybe they were put there by Hope-Jones' ghost.   DG     ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: oboe vs. cornopean vs. trumpet vs. clarinet vs. crumhorn vs. kazoo-en-chamade, etc. From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:04:20 -0700   There's a very fine Schlicker, about 25 years old, in Pilgrim LCMS in = Chula Vista, CA ... Rosales did the installation, but I don't know how much he = had to do with the voicing ... at any rate, the only Swell reed is a Schalmei, = voiced as a cross between a big Oboe and a small Trumpet ... very effective as a = solo or a chorus reed.   A few miles away is an historic one-manual Johnson that came around the = Horn on a sailing ship ... thes only reed is a very assertive, colorful Oboe that = caps the miniature chorus splendidly.   It ain't the stop-name that counts, it's the VOICING.   Cheers,   Bud   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > Rebekah Ingram wrote: > > > > On the other hand, well, everyone has an oboe. Here an oboe, there = an > > oboe, > > > everywhere an oboe oboe oboe. > > > If you want a reedy reed rather than a hornlike reed, another = possibility > > > would be a Crumhorn. > > > > <QQQQQUUUUUUAAAAACCCCKKKk!!!> ;-) > > At Quimby Pipe Organs we have started using a Cromorne (ours is a fairly > large scale, based on a Skinner Clarinet and tends more to a Clarinet > than a Krummhorn, sounding nice and woody in the bass) as the Swell reed > on small organs, and this seems to work very well. The problem with the > Oboe is that often it is NOT interesting (in spite of what G. Donald > Harrison said to the contrary!) On a larger instrument, there is > nothing like a Cornopean, however, for making a nice fat Full Swell > sound! > > John Speller > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: social justice and salaries From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:06:42 -0400   At 09:44 AM 5/24/00 -0400, Alan Freed wrote: >Just to add to the statistical database. > >Today, in New York, among Lutherans, "scale" for a rent-a-presider to = come >in and preside and preach on a Sunday morning is $100. "Scale" for an >organist to come in and sub (choir rehearsal at 9, mass at 11) is $150. = So >at St. Luke's we pay clergy $200 just to salve their egos. I think the = paid >section-leaders get $65 to $75; brass, etc., varies wildly depending on = the >day--easily $400 per horn for Easter (rehearsal and service).   Just goes to show, sometimes the free market works.   Evie  
(back) Subject: theatre organ question From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:17:58 EDT   I concur with Ray's assessment.   I further add that the 4/16 Grande Page in the Fort Wayne Embassy Theater =   seems to have more stoptabs than a RCMH Wurli console which has three = times as many ranks.   Stan Krider     Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:29:34 -0700   When talking about theater organs, it should be noted that the earliest instruments installed in theaters were not necessarily unit organs. There were Kimballs, Esteys and many others that differed little (if at all) = from standard church/concert design. No doubt some had fancier consoles; the = few examples I've seen (in photos) don't even go that far. Some even had drawknobs rather than stopkeys....   In the same vein, Wurlitzer was hardly the most ardent adherent to the everything-everywhere-at-every-pitch syndrome. By unit organ standards, = some Wurlitzers were pretty skimpy, unification-wise. An eight-rank organ built by Page, for example, might well have more stopkeys than a Wurlitzer of twice the size.   The one comment from Stan Krider with which I take mild exception is his characterization of the Wurlitzer chamber layout. It was not so much a = case of loud stops in the Solo and soft stops in the Main; more accurately, the Main was primarily filled with accompaniment ranks. This was a simplification of the Hope-Jones idea, which was to have various tonal families (brass, strings, woodwinds, Diapasons, etc.) housed in their own chambers.   I must say--scoff, o ye purists of both camps--that a non-unit theater = organ would be a wonderful device indeed. Having a separate rank for each pitch = of a Tibia, for example--every one scaled and regulated to blend best with = its fellows--would be far nicer than deriving every pitch from a single rank. Ditto strings, reeds and everything else. If I had the time, space and resources to build up an 80-rank theater organ, that's what I'd want to = do, not simply amass a huge pile of 8' ranks that electronics allowed me to access at several pitches. Sen. Richards' Kimball in Atlantic City (mentioned before) is a good example of what theater organs could be, finances willing. I only wish Wurlitzer had built such instruments.   The unit organ--which I love--was created as a matter of expediency. It = does indeed allow more tonal variety (not all of it good!) than a straight = organ of equal size, but its primary reason for being was financial, not = artistic. It's a way of getting more for less, and if it has definite tonal = failings, as it does, those weaknesses aren't particularly noticeable unless someone chooses to play Bach on one for a roomful of trained ears.   Ray  
(back) Subject: salaries From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:18:50 -0700   Paid singers in Orange County CA get around $25 an hour for occasional = gigs, which for us means $100 for a service and rehearsal ... I'm told that decent = regular section leaders can be engaged for $75 a week for one service and one = rehearsal (which seems low to me), but most area churches pay time and a half or = double time to their regular singers at Christmas, Holy Week and Easter to insure that = they'll be available.   I've always thought that singers get the short end of the deal, compared = to instrumentalists, who invariably get union scale or more. I think scale in = Orange County is about $90 for a two-hour performance, plus around $30 an hour = (two hours minimum) for rehearsal.   Alan's right about the brasses ... they cost at LEAST $400 a gig, and = you'd better book them in the summer for the following Easter!   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > Just to add to the statistical database. > > Today, in New York, among Lutherans, "scale" for a rent-a-presider to = come > in and preside and preach on a Sunday morning is $100. "Scale" for an > organist to come in and sub (choir rehearsal at 9, mass at 11) is $150. = So > at St. Luke's we pay clergy $200 just to salve their egos. I think the = paid > section-leaders get $65 to $75; brass, etc., varies wildly depending on = the > day--easily $400 per horn for Easter (rehearsal and service). > > Alan > > > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > > Subject: social justice and RC salaries > > > > I think I got a dollar a Mass in those days, and it came out of the = priest's > > five-dollar stipend. And I DIDN'T get room, board, or medical. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re:TO MP3s From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:13:16   At 11:07 AM 5/24/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>--=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_9591797= 04=3D=3D_ >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >> >>At 09:11 AM 5/24/2000 -0300, you wrote: >>> >>>Does anyone know where I could get some nice TO Mp3s<snip> >> >>Here ya go....<snip>     Oooops! My apologies..that was supposed to go to the lad that wanted the mp3s! Sorry....!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: social justice and salaries From: <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:34:48 EDT   To the list, I hope that no one felt that I was in any way berating any denomination when I brought up the Papal Encyclical,"Rerum Novarum". It = was just a point of discussion regarding social justice in all denominations. = I think that anyone who desires to play for religious services and conscientiously attempts to reproduce music for the greater honor and = glory of God deserves a fair shake salary wise from their church. We contribute = so much, above and beyond the mere production of music.It is the product of music in turn with the service and dogma behind it, that unites the congregation in group worship. I only used the encyclical and my sister-in-law's situation since I have first hand knowledge of both. We = all have our tales of a shortage of finances if we are engaged in this field. But. as they say, the church should not just talk the talk but walk the = walk. It's not greed but keeping an organists head above water. That's why I decided to go into the engineering field rather than limit myself to = church organ. Paul