PipeChat Digest #1420 - Friday, May 26, 2000
 
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Digital Voices  (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment))
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Re: Digital Voices  (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment))
  by "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net>
Back to Organ Terms, Please
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:07:03 -0500   At 5/25/00 02:08 PM, Paul wrote:   <snip> >This all leads me to my question: > >Can we discuss, rant, rave, opine, delineate, disagree, propound, and = come >to a concensus on what the following terms mean? <snip>   WELLLLLL......I'd bet we can (and will) "discuss, rant, rave, opine, disagree and propound"...   but I doubt that we'll ever "come to a concensus"......   ROTFLMAO!!!   Cheers!   Tim      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment)) From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:29:21 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/00 4:31:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, david@blackiris.com writes:   << At least those are my thoughts on the matter. I know there are a couple of builders on this list so I would hope that they will chime in on this subject. >>   It would be a very brave builder indeed who would risk addressing this = topic, at least if he thought what I think!!!!! My lips are hermetically sealed = on the subject. Only my hairdresser knows!   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com, 99 and 44/100% pure!  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:42:12 -0400     --------------8821D75872B45321A59B165E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Ray Ahrens wrote:   > >A recent > > >symposium held that even the bottom 12 electronic notes of a 32' = bourdon > >make a > > >pipe organ NOT a pipe organ. Comments? (grin)<snip> > > > >Typical crockery. > > > >DeserTBoB > > > > Do we have to endure this AGAIN? I could set my watch by the way these > threads endlessly recycle themselves. >   Amen Ray!   Didn't we hash this one through at the beginning of March or so?   You must forgive me though; I'm going to re-post something The Maitre put = on the last time we went through this (I hope he doesn't mind)! It's just = that I kept this and a few other related postings because they were so funny. I = go back and look at this one every once in a while, and it still manages to = make me laugh so hard that I almost fall out of my chair!   <<Greetings,   In the interest of some of our more vocal members who have been purporting the need for American Names on organ stops - (because those nasty european names always sell) - a new company has formed. Founded by organists who = love european stop nomenclature because of it's more telling and discriptive names, because drawknob consoles look nice and have a certain 'shall we = say' class and elegance to them, and for the fact that the organ is sometimes viewed as boring as it is and find no need to make it more boring or blazee'.   However, our firm has been contracted to replace certain instruments in = this country with rather 'set in their ways' organist who insist on ONLY = American Names on their stops. Here is a specification from our latest endeavour.   Orgues du American Opus 1 3/7 Chapel of the Most Divine Unrest   Middle Keyboard 16' Medium Sized Organy Sound 8' Big Organy Sound 8' Flutey Thingy 8' Sheperds Horn (or Horn for Goats) 4' Medium and Higher Organy Sound 4' Windy Fluty Thingy 2' Bright Organy Sound 5 High Pitched Screaming Organy Sound 8' Snarly Brassy Thing   Top Keyboard 8' Medium Flute Sound 8' Stringy Thingy 8' Slighty Sharp Stringy Thingy 4' Medium Organy Sound 4' Flute Which somewhat sounds like the sound made by a flute of the orchestra (phew hope that fits on a rocker tab !!!) 2' Perky Flute 3 High Pitched Shrieky Organy Sounds 16' Buzzy Thang 8' Loud Snarl - Slighty Brassy 8' Softer Reedy Sound 8' Named Human Voice but sounds like a Cow in Heat 4' Bright Reedy Thing Wind Flutterer   Bottom Keyboard 8' Light Sounding Flute 8' Sort of Stringy / Sort of Organy thang 4' 'Nother Fluty Thingy 2 2/3' Thang 2' 'Nother Organy Thingy 1 3/5' Thang 1' Useless Thang 3 High Pitched Pipes which are useful for cutting glass 8' Buzzy Cute Reddy Thingy Wind Flutterer   Footsy Keyboard 32' "ooh my the floor's a shakin" 16' Organy Thingy 16' Deep Flutey Thingy 8' Organy Thingy (not the same organy thingy from the Middle Keyboard) 8' Flutey Thingy 4' Organy Thingy - yep another one. 2 Always out of tune high pitched things 16' "Hold on to your hat Martha's" 8' More of the same hat thingy 4' Cute Little Reedy thingy   Pedal Range: CCC - CC (1 Octave =3D 13 notes for you Americans) Keyboard Range: FF - C3   NOTE: This is a special request organ - our company does indeed make eclectic organs such as Aeolian Skinners and other Fine examples of = American Organ Building too!   All the Best,   The Maitre>>         --------------8821D75872B45321A59B165E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> &nbsp; <BR>Ray Ahrens wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE>>A recent <BR>> >symposium held that even the bottom 12 electronic notes of a 32' bourdon <BR>>make a <BR>> >pipe organ NOT a pipe organ. Comments? (grin)&lt;snip> <BR>> <BR>>Typical crockery. <BR>> <BR>>DeserTBoB <BR>> <P>Do we have to endure this AGAIN?&nbsp; I could set my watch by the way these <BR>threads endlessly recycle themselves. <BR><A HREF=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></A>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> Amen Ray! <P>Didn't we hash this one through at the beginning of March or so? <P>You must forgive me though; I'm going to re-post something The Maitre put on the last time we went through this (I hope he doesn't mind)!&nbsp; It's just that I kept this and a few other related postings because they were so funny.&nbsp; I go back and look at this one every once in a while, and it still manages to make me laugh so hard that I almost fall out of my chair! <P>&lt;&lt;Greetings, <P>In the interest of some of our more vocal members who have been = purporting <BR>the need for American Names on organ stops - (because those nasty = european <BR>names always sell) - a new company has formed. Founded by organists who love <BR>european stop nomenclature because of it's more telling and = discriptive <BR>names, because drawknob consoles look nice and have a certain 'shall we say' <BR>class and elegance to them, and for the fact that the organ is = sometimes <BR>viewed as boring as it is and find no need to make it more boring or <BR>blazee'. <P>However, our firm has been contracted to replace certain instruments in this <BR>country with rather 'set in their ways' organist who insist on ONLY American <BR>Names on their stops.&nbsp; Here is a specification from our latest endeavour. <P>Orgues du American&nbsp; Opus 1 3/7 <BR>Chapel of the Most Divine Unrest <P>Middle Keyboard <BR>16' Medium Sized Organy Sound <BR>8' Big Organy Sound <BR>8' Flutey Thingy <BR>8' Sheperds Horn (or Horn for Goats) <BR>4' Medium and Higher Organy Sound <BR>4' Windy Fluty Thingy <BR>2' Bright Organy Sound <BR>5 High Pitched Screaming Organy Sound <BR>8' Snarly Brassy Thing <P>Top Keyboard <BR>8' Medium Flute Sound <BR>8' Stringy Thingy <BR>8' Slighty Sharp Stringy Thingy <BR>4' Medium Organy Sound <BR>4' Flute Which somewhat sounds like the sound made by a flute of the <BR>orchestra (phew hope that fits on a rocker tab !!!) <BR>2' Perky Flute <BR>3 High Pitched Shrieky Organy Sounds <BR>16' Buzzy Thang <BR>8' Loud Snarl - Slighty Brassy <BR>8' Softer Reedy Sound <BR>8' Named Human Voice but sounds like a Cow in Heat <BR>4' Bright Reedy Thing <BR>Wind Flutterer <P>Bottom Keyboard <BR>8' Light Sounding Flute <BR>8' Sort of Stringy / Sort of Organy thang <BR>4' 'Nother Fluty Thingy <BR>2 2/3' Thang <BR>2' 'Nother Organy Thingy <BR>1 3/5' Thang <BR>1' Useless Thang <BR>3 High Pitched Pipes which are useful for cutting glass <BR>8' Buzzy Cute Reddy Thingy <BR>Wind Flutterer <P>Footsy Keyboard <BR>32' "ooh my the floor's a shakin" <BR>16' Organy Thingy <BR>16' Deep Flutey Thingy <BR>8' Organy Thingy (not the same organy thingy from the Middle Keyboard) <BR>8' Flutey Thingy <BR>4' Organy Thingy - yep another one. <BR>2 Always out of tune high pitched things <BR>16' "Hold on to your hat Martha's" <BR>8' More of the same hat thingy <BR>4' Cute Little Reedy thingy <P>Pedal Range: CCC - CC (1 Octave =3D 13 notes for you Americans) <BR>Keyboard Range: FF - C3 <P>NOTE: This is a special request organ - our company does indeed make <BR>eclectic organs such as Aeolian Skinners and other Fine examples of American <BR>Organ Building too! <P>All the Best, <P>The Maitre>> <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>   --------------8821D75872B45321A59B165E--    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment)) From: "ldpatte@attglobal.net" <ldpatte@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:47:48 -0400     Bob Conway wrote:   > I may be a minority of one here, but I think that if an organ has any > digital voices at all, then it is not a pipe organ but a combination = organ. > > I have no axe to grind regarding the relative worth of digital versus = pipes, > and in many cases the digital organ is the way to go, but let us = describe an > organ for what it is. > > Bob > > If you think knowledge is expensive, try ignorance.   If this is the case Bob, then I too am happy to be "part of the minority"   Dave C. London, Ont.      
(back) Subject: Back to Organ Terms, Please From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:05:38 -0400   <html> Am I to assume that what Bud has described as the definitions of duplexed, unified, borrowed, straight, etc. are agreeable to everyone else.&nbsp; Let's please not get off the topic and onto the digital things AGAIN!.<br> Paul.<br> <br> <br> someone wrote: <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><blockquote type=3Dcite cite>Do we have to endure this AGAIN?=A0 I could set my watch by the way these <br> threads endlessly recycle themselves. <br> =A0</blockquote></blockquote> <BR> </html>  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:11:01 -0400   <html> As I tell people who don't know anything about organs, there are two kinds of pipes:&nbsp; the ones that work like and sound like blowing over a Coke bottle and the ones that work like and sound like kazoos.<br> <br> At 08:42 PM 5/25/00 -0400, Dave C. wrote: <br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>You must forgive me though; I'm going to re-post something The Maitre put on the last time we went through this (I hope he doesn't mind)!&nbsp; It's just that I kept this and a few other related postings because they were so funny.&nbsp; I go back and look at this one every once in a while, and it still manages to make me laugh so hard that I almost fall out of my chair! <br> <br> &lt;&lt;Greetings, <br> <br> In the interest of some of our more vocal members who have been purporting <br> the need for American Names on organ stops - (because those nasty european <br> names always sell) - a new company has formed. Founded by organists who love <br> european stop nomenclature because of it's more telling and discriptive <br> names, because drawknob consoles look nice and have a certain 'shall we say' <br> class and elegance to them, and for the fact that the organ is sometimes <br> viewed as boring as it is and find no need to make it more boring or <br> blazee'. </blockquote><br> </html>    
(back) Subject: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:58:08 EDT     Hi guys and gals,   Today I heard, in person, the very best Aeolian Skinner (G. Donald = Harrison) .... Actually, it's the best sounding organ I've ever heard, period! It = is at First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, TX. I'm still in post coital bliss = over it all! The strings are large and lush, the solo stops are phenomenal, = and the principal chorus is strong, not to mention a decent room and gorgeous stained glass.... Has anyone else seen/heard this organ? If so, do you share my feelings? I have a few recordings of it ... if you would like = the info I'll gladly give it up.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:13:08 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/00 2:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prswank@bellatlantic.net writes:   > Can we discuss, rant, rave, opine, delineate, disagree, propound, and = come > to a concensus on what the following terms mean? All, but possibly "propound". There are just some lines that shouldn't = be crossed!! ;-)   1. straight organ: each stop has its own pipework.   2. unit organ: an organ in which all ranks are extended, borrowed and duplexed to play in all divisions.   3. unified organ: an organ with some stops extended to play at more than =   one pitch.   4. duplexed organ: an organ with some stops available to play at the same =   pitch in both divisions and/or pedal   5. borrowed ranks: those ranks which play in another division than the "home" division at more than one pitch, or a pitch different from the = "home" rank.     Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:11:30 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/00 2:48:04 PM Central Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << Here's another one: is an organ with one or more digital voices still a =   pipe organ? >>   I would dare say that a Pipe Organ of any size with digital voices would = be a digitally enhanced pipe organ. I'm sure we could all benefit by that, in =   one way or another!... ;-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:16:59 -0700   It is indeed ... I played it in '71 when I was at SMU ... Roy Perry was = still alive then.   Did you note the plaque on the organ?   "In memory of G. Donald Harrison who loved this organ; by Roy Perry who loved them both."   Hope I have it right ...   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - GDH had the strings back to the factory several times trying to = duplicate what he'd done ... don't know if he ever succeeded.   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > Hi guys and gals, > > Today I heard, in person, the very best Aeolian Skinner (G. Donald = Harrison) > ... Actually, it's the best sounding organ I've ever heard, period! It = is at > First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, TX. I'm still in post coital bliss = over > it all! The strings are large and lush, the solo stops are phenomenal, = and > the principal chorus is strong, not to mention a decent room and = gorgeous > stained glass.... Has anyone else seen/heard this organ? If so, do you > share my feelings? I have a few recordings of it ... if you would like = the > info I'll gladly give it up. > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:28:28 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 12:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, Quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << Did you note the plaque on the organ? "In memory of G. Donald Harrison who loved this organ; by Roy Perry who loved them both." >>   No, Jimmy said the plaque had cracked and was being repaired...that's = rather interesting...   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:35:17 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/00 3:47:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > Here's another one: is an organ with one or more digital voices still a = pipe > organ? A minority of digital voices? A MAJORITY of digital voices? A = recent > symposium held that even the bottom 12 electronic notes of a 32' = bourdon > make a pipe organ NOT a pipe organ. Comments? (grin) I would suggest using the designation begun by Rogers:   an electronic with pipes for organs with more electronic/digital ranks than pipes.   a pipe organ with digital augmentation for organs with more pipes that digitals   A pipe organ must have the major number of stops from pipes, with digital augmentation. For instance digital extensions for 32s, or even a digital division (or two).   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:37:22 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/00 4:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > >A recent symposium held that even the bottom 12 electronic notes of a = 32' bourdon > make a pipe organ NOT a pipe organ. Comments? (grin)<snip> > > Typical crockery.   Are you saying that these people are psychoceramic??? ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:42:58 EDT   John, you lucky dawg!!!! The Kilgore A-S is truly a gem. Now, please sit as I tell you that it = is part Moller! eheeheeheeeheee   Skinner really worked a miracle with it. It's all in the finishing. I've =   only heard it in recording, but it is gorgeous.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:43:09   At 12:58 AM 5/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Today I heard, in person, the very best Aeolian Skinner (G. Donald = Harrison) >... Actually, it's the best sounding organ I've ever heard, period! It = is at >First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, TX.<snip>   I've heard "of" it. It's one of those organs that just "came together" right, and is justly famous. I've heard that Harrison himself was quite taken with the results. Pity about the location.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:50:18 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 12:44:04 AM Central Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << The Kilgore A-S is truly a gem. Now, please sit as I tell you that = it is part Moller! eheeheeheeeheee >>   Bruce, this is true... but a majority of the pipes are now A-S, as I understand it, so does that not make it an Aeolian Skinner by default? ;-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:18:42 +0800 (CST)       On Fri, 26 May 2000 Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > John, you lucky dawg!!!! > The Kilgore A-S is truly a gem. Now, please sit as I tell you that it = is > part Moller! eheeheeheeeheee   I heard a record of it in the A-S record series...     Oh, it is part Moller? Can you tell us which part of the organ is Moller (did the Moller part come from a previous Moller organ?)?     A sincere, inquiring mind would like to know...     Morton Belcher fellow piporg-l list member...       > > Bruce > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:48:36 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 1:18:31 AM Central Daylight Time, flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw writes:   << Oh, it is part Moller? Can you tell us which part of the organ is = Moller (did the Moller part come from a previous Moller organ?)? >>   I can tell you that in it's earliest stage it began as a Pilcher, in the = mid Thirties Moller enlarged it, and then in the late Forties it was = redesigned, revoiced, and much enlarged by G. Donald Harrison, and has evolved into = the Aeolian Skinner which we enjoy today!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:39:02 +0100     ----- Original Message ----- From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Subject: The very best Aeolian Skinner     > Today I heard, in person, the very best Aeolian Skinner (G. Donald Harrison) > ... Actually, it's the best sounding organ I've ever heard, period! It is at > First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, TX. I'm still in post coital bliss over > it all!   You don't think you might be getting just a little *too* involved ...... and on a first date, well !!   :) Chris    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:48:00 +0100     ----- Original Message ----- From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)     > I would dare say that a Pipe Organ of any size with digital voices would be a > digitally enhanced pipe organ. I'm sure we could all benefit by that, in > one way or another!... ;-)   Anyone who has difficulty coming to terms with this appalling heresy, can find comfort in First Lutheran Church, Lynn, Mass. The organ there is a pipe-enhanced digital organ. <g> (Copeman Hart)   Chris