PipeChat Digest #1421 - Saturday, May 27, 2000
 
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net>
Re: Digital Voices  (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment))
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Digital Voices  (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment))
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Nat'l Shrine Organ Dedication Reminder (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
I found a gem
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Digital Voices  (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment))
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Lorenz tracker organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
The very best Aeolian-Skinner
  by "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com>
Re: Lorenz tracker organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Fw: Lorenz tracker organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Redux: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Lorenz tracker organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Lorenz tracker organ
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:45:17 -0500   John & List ---   People in the DFW metroplex have known oif this organ and its = reputation as well as the long time organist Roy Perry who played it and was always = very willing to show it off. Everything you said about it is true.   Best Regards,   Stan Guy Dallas      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment)) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:43:48 +0800   I can't agree with this. We have a pipe organ with some electronic reeds = on the pedal, but without those additions it is a complete pipe organ. It is a = pipe organ with a few digital additions. Nothing can change that. Bob E.   Bob Conway wrote:   > I may be a minority of one here, but I think that if an organ has any > digital voices at all, then it is not a pipe organ but a combination = organ. > > I have no axe to grind regarding the relative worth of digital versus = pipes, > and in many cases the digital organ is the way to go, but let us = describe an > organ for what it is. > > Bob > > If you think knowledge is expensive, try ignorance. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:00:04 -0700   When I played it, the console was still Moller ... Perry and GDH were more interested in the pipes ... Roy told me they just never got around to the console. I presume some of the bass pipes might have been from the former = Moller organ.   Cheers,   Bud   flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw wrote:   > On Fri, 26 May 2000 Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > > John, you lucky dawg!!!! > > The Kilgore A-S is truly a gem. Now, please sit as I tell you that = it is > > part Moller! eheeheeheeeheee > > I heard a record of it in the A-S record series... > > Oh, it is part Moller? Can you tell us which part of the organ is = Moller > (did the Moller part come from a previous Moller organ?)? > > A sincere, inquiring mind would like to know... > > Morton Belcher > fellow piporg-l list member... > > > > > Bruce > > . . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > > Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com > > HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:13:52   At 01:50 AM 5/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Bruce, this is true... but a majority of the pipes are now A-S, as I=20 >understand it, so does that not make it an Aeolian Skinner by default? ;-)<snip>   Well, no, because some in here feel, since an organ might have 12 notes of a 32' rank electronically produced, it's no longer a "pipe organ". Thus, this organ would properly be an "=C6olim=F6ller".   Logic is a funny thing. It can come back to bite you when you least expect it.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:17:54   At 09:48 AM 5/26/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Anyone who has difficulty coming to terms with this appalling heresy, >can find comfort in First Lutheran Church, Lynn, Mass.<snip>   "Lynn, Lynn, city of sin. You won't come out if you go in!" Also the = home of that eastern culinary staple, "Marshmellow Fluff".   heheheheh!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Terms (of Endearment) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:43:00 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 1:14:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:   > I would dare say that a Pipe Organ of any size with digital voices would = be > a digitally enhanced pipe organ. I'm sure we could all benefit by = that, in > one way or another!... ;-) I would prefer the term "augmented" which indicates an addition, rather = than enhanced which indicates and improvement has been made.   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment)) From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:43:47 -0500   As a member of APOBA, I can tell you that we were brave, and adopted a = position paper on this subject at our recent meeting. It will be published soon. Roy Redman   ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/25/00 4:31:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > david@blackiris.com writes: > > << At least those are my thoughts on the matter. I know there are a > couple of builders on this list so I would hope that they will chime > in on this subject. >> > > It would be a very brave builder indeed who would risk addressing this = topic, > at least if he thought what I think!!!!! My lips are hermetically = sealed on > the subject. Only my hairdresser knows! > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com, 99 and 44/100% pure! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:46:48 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 1:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:   > Bruce, this is true... but a majority of the pipes are now A-S, as I > understand it, so does that not make it an Aeolian Skinner by default? = ;-) > After what Harrison and Perry did to it, it certainly deserves to be = called an AEolian-Skinner!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:53:33 -0500   You do know, of course, that this organ was originally a Moller, and that = there is still quite a bit of Moller still in it, including windchests and some = pipes: That this organ was one of Roy Perry's toys, and that he made additions = and changes up until near his death! Still like it??? Others can give you = more detail than I remember at the moment. Roy Redman   DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote:   > Hi guys and gals, > > Today I heard, in person, the very best Aeolian Skinner (G. Donald = Harrison) > ... Actually, it's the best sounding organ I've ever heard, period! It = is at > First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, TX. I'm still in post coital bliss = over > it all! The strings are large and lush, the solo stops are phenomenal, = and > the principal chorus is strong, not to mention a decent room and = gorgeous > stained glass.... Has anyone else seen/heard this organ? If so, do you > share my feelings? I have a few recordings of it ... if you would like = the > info I'll gladly give it up. > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Nat'l Shrine Organ Dedication Reminder (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:55:44 EDT   Just a reminder............   The Rev. Monsignor William H. Easton, Pastor of the National Shrine of the =   Little Flower, will bless the pipe organ at the Shrine in a brief service = of rededication following an extensive program of refurbishing and tonal restoration.   World renowned concert and recording organist G. THOMAS HAZLETON will be rededicating the 1933 Geo. Kilgen and Son pipe organ on Friday Evening, = June 16, 2000 at 8 PM.   The program will include works by Robert Elmore, Deems Taylor, Charles Courboin, Pietro Yon, Louis Vierne and Charles Marie Widor. In addition, = the entire suite "Music For the Royal Fireworks" by George Fredrick Handel = will be performed in duet transcription by two organists on the two consoles.   There will be a "meet the artist" reception on the church patio at the = base of the tower immediately following the recital.   There is no admission charge however a free-will offering will be taken.   The National Shrine is located on Woodward Avenue at Twelve Mile Road in Royal Oak, Michigan (twelve miles north of downtown Detroit).   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little FLower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: I found a gem From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:15:23 -0500   Listers- A friend is playing a wedding next week in a Catholic Church in southeast Indiana- near Cincinnati. We went to check out the instrument.   Up in the choir loft sits a one-manual, twelve-pedal, seven-stop Lorenz with a latch-down swell.         Immaculate pipe and chest-work, tho a Kinetic blower has been added to replace the disconnected side hand-pump feeders.   It more than fills the church. Very brave tones from this little giant.   Down in front by the altar sits a two-manual Allen with speakers on top of the Lorenz case. Why? Because the lady-organist wanted to be seen playing = a full-size 'organ', and because of a fast-talking salesman.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices (WAS: Organ Terms (of Endearment)) From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:03:45 EDT   I have to agree with Bob Elms on this. As much as I hate to see pipes and electronic voices mixed I must say that as long as it is a complete pipe organ it is a pipe organ. A good example is the Ocean Grove Auditorium = organ. This year it will be up to about 165 ranks ( of pipes ). It has one electronic rank, a 32' string ( for a softer 32' than the Diaphone, = Trombone and Bombarde ). When you sit out there in the Auditorium when this organ rears back and roars you know that you are hearing a pipe organ.   Alan B.  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:07:15 -0000   I first heard the Kilgore organ on the AS King of Instruments series. On = my way back to college in California in the early '50s, I drove through = Texas (and drove and drove) making sure I stopped at Kilgore. It was a Saturday afternoon - horrible time to hit a church, but Roy Perry was practicing = for a wedding that evening. He told me he had to get some dinner so I could enjoy the organ until he came back. I really enjoyed it very much, but = was disappointed that there were no acoustics in the building - not like I had heard on the recording. Several years later I was able to ask Joe = Whiteford who was president of A-S at the time how the record had acoustics but the church didn't. He said that they re-recorded the master tape by running = it through St. John the Divine in New York City.   Roy Perry was a good and sensitive voicer who later came to Hartford to do some finishing on the A-S at Asylum Hill Congregational Church - = especially strings, flutes, celestes. They were yummy. At that time when we renewed our acquaintence, he was suffering with Parkinson's disease, but still = going strong.   I guess they changed the acoustics of the church since I was there.   John          
(back) Subject: Lorenz tracker organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:46:24 -0700   Stoplist??? Twelve ranks, or is it six ranks divided? Do they use it, or = do they wanna get rid of it???   Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder? Thought most of the = tri-state area was Koehnken & Grimm ...   Cheers,   Bud     VEAGUE wrote:   > Listers- A friend is playing a wedding next week in a Catholic Church = in > southeast Indiana- near Cincinnati. We went to check out the instrument. > > Up in the choir loft sits a one-manual, twelve-pedal, seven-stop Lorenz > with a latch-down swell. > > Immaculate pipe and chest-work, tho a Kinetic blower has been added to > replace the disconnected side hand-pump feeders. > > It more than fills the church. Very brave tones from this little giant. > > Down in front by the altar sits a two-manual Allen with speakers on top = of > the Lorenz case. Why? Because the lady-organist wanted to be seen = playing a > full-size 'organ', and because of a fast-talking salesman. > > Rick > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: The very best Aeolian-Skinner From: "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:59:24 -0400   Regarding Aeolian-Skinner op. 1173 of 1949 at First Presbyterian Church, Kilgore, Texas, I had the honor to produce Lorenz Maycher's CD of works by Leo Sowerby as played on this organ. And, it includes Lorenz's teacher's, William Watkins', remarkable performance of the Sowerby Carillon as recorded on the same organ in 1951 for the famed A-S "King of Instruments Series." What a delight it is!   I write not just to crow, but to say that the history of the organ is reasonably well documented in the CD booklet, replete with notes by Roy Perry himself and his successor, Jimmy Culp, who is also heard on the CD playing the piano in the Sowerby Dialog for piano and organ.   I have also just done a little research on my own, and find that the Pilcher pipes now contained within the A-S are from the 2m organ of 12 ranks built in 1933 as op. 1557 for this church. Just two years later, Moller enlarged it, then moved it to the present building in 1939. Then, A-S and G. D. H. built a new organ incorporating some of the earlier instrument. Perry speaks highly of Pilcher pipework contained within the A-S, placed there at his insistence.   Regarding the authenticity of the G. D. H. voicing, the CD booklet says, "In 1964, the bottom 12 notes of the 32' Bombarde were installed by Mr. Perry as a memorial to Mr. Harrison. In 1966, final additions included the exposed pipework on each side of the chancel window and alterations and additions to the chambered divisions; the console was rebuilt. The organ was voiced (final tonal finishing of the pipes) by Roy Perry. So, from its inception, the instrument bore the perosnal stamp of the man who presided over its console for so many years."   However it got that way, it is a wonderful organ today. Lorenz Maycher's Sowerby CD is available from OHS. And, for a while, an earlier and very fine CD made by Jimmy Culp is also available from OHS. Alas, the firm that manufactures it has gone out-of-business, but OHS had a few in stock the last time I looked. Jimmy Culp's CD is listed under Cheap CDs at the OHS website http://www.ohscatalog.org. Or, to see both of these CDs, just use the search engine and enter the word common to both CDs, "Kilgore."   The good news about the Culp CD is that another firm will reissue it in a few months. The bad news is that it will be full priced instead of $5.99 ($4.99 to OHS members)!   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz tracker organ From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:50:53   At 04:46 PM 5/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder?<snip>   Nope, but they might have been the ones to later publish those really cheesy "Organist" collections!! LOLOL   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Fw: Lorenz tracker organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:49:27 -0500   Rankage is Diapason, Chimney Flute, Salicional, Stopped Flute. Has manual-to-pedal coupler. Non-divided manual, 4 octaves.   It's like an English chamber organ. 6-feet wide, 2.5 -feet deep, and 11-feet high. Free-standing.   The priest, congregation and choir prefer the instrument over the Allen. There may be an on-going battle between the Allen player-lady and the congregation as to which instrument will be the victor.   What ruffled my tweeters was what the #@%^& Allen salesman said," Oh, = you'll never use that old organ again!"   I've got just the place for his Allen!   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: Lorenz tracker organ     > Stoplist??? Twelve ranks, or is it six ranks divided? Do they use it, or do > they wanna get rid of it??? > > Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder? Thought most of the tri-state > area was Koehnken & Grimm ... > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > Listers- A friend is playing a wedding next week in a Catholic Church in > > southeast Indiana- near Cincinnati. We went to check out the = instrument. > > > > Up in the choir loft sits a one-manual, twelve-pedal, seven-stop = Lorenz > > with a latch-down swell. > > > > Immaculate pipe and chest-work, tho a Kinetic blower has been added to > > replace the disconnected side hand-pump feeders. > > > > It more than fills the church. Very brave tones from this little = giant. > > > > Down in front by the altar sits a two-manual Allen with speakers on = top of > > the Lorenz case. Why? Because the lady-organist wanted to be seen playing a > > full-size 'organ', and because of a fast-talking salesman. > > > > Rick > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:11:51 +0800 (CST)       On Fri, 26 May 2000, John M. Doney wrote:   > I really enjoyed it very much, but was > disappointed that there were no acoustics in the building - not like I = had > heard on the recording.   Look on the A-S record.... I don't have it readily at hand; but didn't the program notes mention that a carpet in the church was removed for the recording?   Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member...     > > I guess they changed the acoustics of the church since I was there. > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:17:05 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 5:55:03 PM Central Daylight Time, rredman@imagin.net writes:   << You do know, of course, that this organ was originally a Moller, and = that there is still quite a bit of Moller still in it, including windchests and some =   pipes: That this organ was one of Roy Perry's toys, and that he made additions = and changes up until near his death! Still like it??? <SNIP>     What's your point Roy??? It's still the best sounding organ that I've = ever heard -- it even surpasses the finest English organs that I've heard or played. And for His sake, what's everyone's beef with Moller?????????   I may be young, dumb, and full of __m, but I DO know what I like and I = just don't get your point! I could say something EXTREMELY tacky, but true, at =   this point; however, I'll hold my fingers back and resist the = temptation...   John  
(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:23:13 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 8:09:24 PM Central Daylight Time, jdoney@email.msn.com writes:   << I guess they changed the acoustics of the church since I was there. >>   I can only speculate that they have, I can check on it. The room isn't = "very alive" but It's far from being dead... If you want to hear a dead room = come to my church where I'm fighting tooth and nail to have the carpet removed from the chancel, choir loft, and side aisles (I think it's a lost cause = but I'm keeping the faith).   John  
(back) Subject: Redux: direct electric vs. electro-pneumatic From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:30:49   At 02:54 PM 5/18/2000 -0800, Grant Chapman wrote: >Now since I was raised in the shadow of the AT&T telephony >maven "Weird Harold,"<snip> >This is what he said, in a nutshell: >1) The cost of maintaining telephone switching >systems is far greater today than 20 years ago. ...<snip>   In real dollars, perhaps...in adjusted dollars, NO way. Most ESS end offices are totally unmanned and are controlled by "switching control centers". Major toll switches, such as the 4ESS, now function with a day-shift crew only, no weekend coverage, and little overtime, and are watched from a central location in Bedminster, NJ. Compare that to a smaller 4A crossbar switch around 1975, which have over 150 communications technicians in a work group, manning 3 shifts, 24 hours a day, 7 days a = week.   >2) Back 20 years ago the central office did not >mandate the need for air conditioning.<snip>   Harold's off his rocker. Almost all Bell System central offices of any size were fully air conditioned, with high efficiency air filtration, by 1960. Most were so equipped in the middle '50s.   >3) Further more the electrical bill to operate a >switch was lower because ... (cost varied with call load)<snip>   Wrong again. A 5ESS at 25% load factor draws 10% of the current that a comparable #5 Crossbar switch did just sitting there, doing nothing! The consumption factors get more favorable as the switch is loaded.   >4) 20 years ago you did not have to train people as >maintenance programmers, on-line switch technicians and >yield to mandatory hardware and software updates dictated >by a switch supplier.<snip>   Sounds like sour grapes from someone who had to buy software from Western Electric. Instead of "maintenance programmers", you had line assigners, switchmen, test desk technicians, wire men, in far greater numbers, and = costs.   >5) ... if you do not take the upgrade they will >orphan your switch and provide no further maintenance help   See above.   >6) Give me twenty years ago anytime in preference to >todays hijackings of the telephone company operating cost   I have no idea what he's trying to say here...."hijackings"?   >Since Weird Harold was amongst the first group of engineers >to develop the technology that made a solid state telephone >switch possible and has had to keep stuff going for a very >picky clientele I think I will side with him.<snip>   Wierd Harold is weird, indeed, and obviously doesn't know much about contemporary telephone industry operations. I suppose he's a contemporary of Shockley, who was off HIS rocker, too!   >Therefore, >There is no such thing as "maintenance free" equipment.<snip>   There is some "maintenance", (usually changing out of circuit packs on a non-routine basis), but no mechanical "routine maintenance", as there was with panel, step-by-step, crossbar and other systems. Building plant maintenance is still done, but using far less manhours than 20 years ago.   I was there, I saw it. I also ran this by some of my Bell Labs ESS gurus, who got quite a laugh out of it.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz tracker organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:36:22 EDT   In a message dated 5/26/00 10:14:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > >Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder?<snip> Haven't heard of them as organ builders, but this might be the very FIRST pipe organ "made practical." ;-)   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz tracker organ From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:23:15 -0700   All kidding aside, I wondered if there was a connection ... perhaps Lorenz Publishing Co. at one time sold little "stock" organs (built by someone else) with their nameplate on it. After all, Sears did (!).   Lorenz the publisher was germanic enough at one time to issue their choral publications in bilingual German-English editions ... somebody on the Net was kind enough to send me some. Maybe they also dabbled in organ-building (or marketing) at one point.   But a Lorenz organ in a Catholic church WOULD be strange ... German Catholics and German Protestants didn't SPEAK to one another back then (grin).   Oddly enough, though, Koehnken (who built most of the organs in Catholic churches in the tri-state area around Cincinnati) WAS a Protestant.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 04:46 PM 5/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder?<snip> > > Nope, but they might have been the ones to later publish those really > cheesy "Organist" collections!! LOLOL > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org