PipeChat Digest #1425 - Monday, May 29, 2000
 
Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Digital Voices
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Why we should have good real crumhorns on modern  orchestral organs
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Other Crumhorn notes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: And the Organ played on and on and on (x post)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Lorenz tracker organ
  by "Jim" <Bald1@prodigy.net>
Fw: Why we should have good real crumhorns on modern  orchestralorgans
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Digital Voices
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Stories in Glass VI -- Recital Program
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
my lyrics search
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Digital Voices
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Covington Holtkamp, and two Cleveland ones
  by <Quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: The very best Aeolian Skinner From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:59:18 -0500   Actually, a little further East on I 20, in First Baptist, Longview, = exists an absolutely original signature GDH Aeolian Skinner. We re-leathered the = reservoirs and windchests of this organ several years ago. Mary Hall, organist emeritus has insisted on = keeping everything original, even the cracked and wrong stop faces! This includes the somewhat cranky combination action. = Keith Morgan disconnected the lower 2 ranks of the 2 2/3 great mixture some = years ago, but otherwise, I believe it sounds much as it did when GDH finished it! It is a wonderful sound, indeed, in a beautiful contemporary building which is 95' tall at the peak! The only disappointment is that the ceiling consists of spaced slats, so, although the building looks like = a cathedral, it doesn't sound like one. More information is found in = Blanton, The Organ in Church Design. Roy Redman   Roy Redman wrote:   > My point is that it is is the first place a much rebuilt organ, which is = a no, > no, in some circles, and that it is really Roy > Perry's product. This was detailed in Bill's excellent posting. > It is a fine sounding organ indeed, if not actually a GDH Aeolian = Skinner! > Roy > > DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/26/00 5:55:03 PM Central Daylight Time, > > rredman@imagin.net writes: > > > > << You do know, of course, that this organ was originally a Moller, = and that > > there > > is still quite a bit of Moller still in it, including windchests and = some > > pipes: > > That this organ was one of Roy Perry's toys, and that he made = additions and > > changes up until near his death! Still like it??? <SNIP> > > > > What's your point Roy??? It's still the best sounding organ that I've = ever > > heard -- it even surpasses the finest English organs that I've heard = or > > played. And for His sake, what's everyone's beef with Moller????????? > > > > I may be young, dumb, and full of __m, but I DO know what I like and = I just > > don't get your point! I could say something EXTREMELY tacky, but = true, at > > this point; however, I'll hold my fingers back and resist the = temptation... > > > > John > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:54:42   At 02:28 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: >Hey I'm the one trying >to promote playing lively Swing and Salsa dancing music on the = organ<snipo>   You're a little late. Effel Smiff was doing that back in the '40s. Care to hear some?   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Why we should have good real crumhorns on modern orchestral organs From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:57:08   At 02:40 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: >but the role I see for the Crumhorn on the organs I >would design would be as a solo voice for use in jazz settings, possibly = for >duets or dialogues with a saxophone stop.<snipping more funny stuff>   BONG! cuckoo BONG! cuckoo BONG! cuckoo   Ever thought of guesting on the Howard Stern Show??   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Other Crumhorn notes From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:59:40   At 05:08 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: >and that my friends, is a bigger hassle than keeping reeds >in tune.<snip>   It's not the reeds that go out of tune. It's the flues. The flues do all the changing, the reeds take all the beating.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: And the Organ played on and on and on (x post) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:20:52   At 08:53 AM 5/29/2000 +0800, you wrote: >There was a wedding in the local Anglican Church where the bridegroom upchucked all >over the gown of the priest.<snip>   I felt like upchucking at my wedding. When I think about marriage, I want to upchuck even more.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz tracker organ From: "Jim" <Bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:49:11 -0500   Thank God my Allen rep is not like that.   Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Fw: Lorenz tracker organ     > Rankage is Diapason, Chimney Flute, Salicional, Stopped Flute. Has > manual-to-pedal coupler. Non-divided manual, 4 octaves. > > It's like an English chamber organ. 6-feet wide, 2.5 -feet deep, and > 11-feet high. Free-standing. > > The priest, congregation and choir prefer the instrument over the Allen. > There may be an on-going battle between the Allen player-lady and the > congregation as to which instrument will be the victor. > > What ruffled my tweeters was what the #@%^& Allen salesman said," Oh, you'll > never use that old organ again!" > > I've got just the place for his Allen! > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:46 PM > Subject: Lorenz tracker organ > > > > Stoplist??? Twelve ranks, or is it six ranks divided? Do they use it, = or > do > > they wanna get rid of it??? > > > > Anybody ever heard of Lorenz, the organ-builder? Thought most of the > tri-state > > area was Koehnken & Grimm ... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > > > Listers- A friend is playing a wedding next week in a Catholic = Church > in > > > southeast Indiana- near Cincinnati. We went to check out the instrument. > > > > > > Up in the choir loft sits a one-manual, twelve-pedal, seven-stop Lorenz > > > with a latch-down swell. > > > > > > Immaculate pipe and chest-work, tho a Kinetic blower has been added = to > > > replace the disconnected side hand-pump feeders. > > > > > > It more than fills the church. Very brave tones from this little giant. > > > > > > Down in front by the altar sits a two-manual Allen with speakers on top > of > > > the Lorenz case. Why? Because the lady-organist wanted to be seen > playing a > > > full-size 'organ', and because of a fast-talking salesman. > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Why we should have good real crumhorns on modern orchestralorgans From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:58:43 -0500   Hey- Don't knock cuckoo clocks. I gotta houseful of 'em! Heehee.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Why we should have good real crumhorns on modern orchestralorgans     > At 02:40 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: > >but the role I see for the Crumhorn on the organs I > >would design would be as a solo voice for use in jazz settings, = possibly for > >duets or dialogues with a saxophone stop.<snipping more funny stuff> > > BONG! cuckoo BONG! cuckoo BONG! cuckoo > > Ever thought of guesting on the Howard Stern Show?? > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:00:56 -0500   I prefer (The) Munster(s) on cable tv. They gotz a organ with dust = blowing out the pipes on the pump organ.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: Re: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral     > From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> > Subject: Re: The 4 organs of the M=FCnster Cathedral > > "Muster" is the word for design (without an Umlaut). "M=FCnster" means > "minster" (whatever that means) > Chris:   The Brit word "minster" is from the Latin "monasterium" (monastery). The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church says:   A name applied to certain cathedrals and other large churches in England, esp. the cathedrals of York, Lincoln, Ripon, Southwell, and Litchfield, = and the churches at Beverley, Wimborne, &c. As a common noun it originally meant any monastic establishment or its church, whether strictly a = monastery (e.g. the abbey at Westminster) or a house or college of secular canons (which was also often called "monasterium' in the Middle Ages), such as = were all those mentioned above. In Anglo-Saxon England 'old minsters' founded = by kings and bishops on their estates and staffed by gruops of clergy living = in the community, were the centres of vast parishes, within which new = churches, each served by a single priest, were created to serve smaller areas. One such minster is still recalled by Minster Street in Reading; Lambourn, Aylesbury, Brampton and Sonning were others in the same region.   whatever that means   Alan, who likes M=FCnster cheese more than most, but not as much as = Havarti with caraway seeds.           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: Digital Voices From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:06:18 -0500   Hey Bob- I DARE ya ta say Effel Smiff real fast three times!!     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Digital Voices     > At 02:28 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: > >Hey I'm the one trying > >to promote playing lively Swing and Salsa dancing music on the organ<snipo> > > You're a little late. Effel Smiff was doing that back in the '40s. = Care > to hear some? > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Stories in Glass VI -- Recital Program From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:17:12 EDT   Subj: Stories in Glass VI Date: 5/28/00 10:05:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Dawgma502">Dawgma502</A> To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Anglican-Music@dragon.com">Anglican-Music@dragon.com</= A> BCC: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502">Cremona502</A>   Today was Stories in Glass VI.... a good crowd of around 75 people. =20   S T O R I E S I N G L A S S V I =20   HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH   The Fourth Window in the South Wall The Good Shepherd   28 May 2000 ~ + ~ The Sixth Sunday of Easter ~ + ~ Four o=E2=80=99clock=20= pm =20   Program     Voluntary in C . . . Maurice Greene (1696-1755) Diapasons R--Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, 2-2/3, 2 Trumpets H-- Praestant 8, Trompet 8; R--Praestant 8, Spitsfluit 4; =20 P-- +R=20 Z--Holpijp, Gemshoorn 8, Trompet 8 =20 Diapasons H--Praestant 8, Octaaf Flute R--Gedekt 8, Tremulant P-- +R   Sheep May Safely Graze . . . Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) (from Birthday Cantata) H--Nachthoorn 4; Z--Gemshoorn, Salicional 8; R--Spitsfluit; P-- +Z   Fountain Reverie . . . Percy Fletcher (1879-1932) Z--Gemshoorn, Holpijp 8, Koppelfluit 4; H--Octaaf, Nachthoorn 4 (octave=20 lower);=20 R--Krumhoorn 8; P--Gedektbass 16 +Z   The Prodigal Son . . . James Biery (on the tune St. Columba, No. 645, Hymnal 1982) P--Subbass 32, Praestant 16, Octaaf 8 =20 H--Bourdon 16, Praestant 8 (+Octaaf 4, + 2) R--Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 Z--Gemshorn, Holpijp 8, Praestant 4, 2, Fagotto 16, Trompet 8 (+V,=20 Klaroen 4) =20 Pastorale . . . Cesar Franck (1822-1890) Z--Gemshoorn, Holpijp, Salicional 8, Koppelfluit 4=20 H--Bourdon 16, Roerfluit 8 +Z=20 P--Gedektbass 16 +Z   The Green Mountain Organ Book . . . Charles Callahan (b. 1951) Prelude H--Praestant 8, (and) Octaaf 4 played an octave lower=20 Fugue Z--Gemshoorn 8 (+Holpijp 8; + Celeste 8) =20 Rondeau H--Roerfluit 8 (+Nachthoorn 4; +2; -4; +16; +4, 2-2/3;=20 +P--Krumhoorn 8) =20 Canon H--Nachthoorn 4; R--Spitzfluit 4; P--Gedekt 8 =20 Dialogue H--Roerfluit 8, Nachthoorn 4; Z--Holpijp 8, Koppelfluit 4=20 (-HZ 4; +H/Z) Fanfare R--Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, 2-2/3, 2, 1-3/5 Meditation Z--Gemshoorn 8, Koppelfluit =20 Interlude R--Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 (-8 octave lower) P--+Z Holpijp 8=20= =20 Procession H--16, Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, 2-2/3, 2, II (-II; +II; - 2;=20= -=20 2-2/3, - 4) =20 Carillon H--16, 2-2/3, 2 (played octave higher) =20   At the conclusion of the program I asked for a hymn improvisation request,=20 and "Praise, my soul, the King of heaven" was requested.=20     Bruce Cornely in the Diocese of Florida (gainesville) Dawgma502@cs.com=20 visit us at HOWLING ACRES http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502/     Bruce=20 .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: my lyrics search From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:19:13 -0400   I've received no reponses to my inquiry for the words to "Southtown USA", = as recorded by the Dixiebelles in 1964. Thanks to a friend of mine right here in Montreal, not only do I have all the lyrics, but also a copy of the music, and a mint-condition recording. Thank you for your time.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Voices From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:49:24 -0700   They played "Tico-Tico" at her funeral ... on a Hammond, naturally.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 02:28 PM 5/28/2000 PDT, you wrote: > >Hey I'm the one trying > >to promote playing lively Swing and Salsa dancing music on the = organ<snipo> > > You're a little late. Effel Smiff was doing that back in the '40s. = Care > to hear some? > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: The Covington Holtkamp, and two Cleveland ones From: <Quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:47:40 -0700       ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/27/00 3:20:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << Does anyone know if the historic Holtkamp in St. John's RC = (Covington, > KY) still exists? Big brick church ... you can see it from the > Interstate right after you cross the bridge ... >> > > (snip)   > Not long after that, on a trip to Ohio, again, because of Blanton, we > detoured to Covington to see the very organ Bud mentions above - it was = a > pre-war, exposed pipework organ by Walter Holtkamp, certainly one of the > first, if not the first - I think 1938. There is a picture of it in = Blanton, > and we were very caught up in that whole spirit, I, at least, having = gone > first to Oberlin, where Holtkamp was then King, and, I still think, > deservedly so. I seem to recall that this was a monastic establishment, = quite > large, and a very tall building. The trek up to the organ loft in the = west > gallery was a serious climb. I wish I could remember more of what my = 1960s > ears thought of the instrument. We were given free access to it for as = long > as we wanted, and I believe it was a surprisingly mild instrument, = compared > to the postwar instruments, which were certainly more robust. We were = filled > with the spirit of seeing a great and important monument in the history = of > the Organ, and were a bit nonplussed that the people at the church just = saw > it as a plain old church organ, one that had given good service, = however. We > really did think the whole world revolved around our interest in the = Pipe > Organ, or at least, we thought it ought to. Perhaps one should never = lose > that naive hope! I do hope the organ is still there. > > Malcolm Wechsler (who played for very few this holiday Sunday). >   I remember it as being mild also.   When the historic Holtkamp rueckpositiv at St. Philomena's in East = Cleveland got its new chest (by John Leek, then curator of organs at Oberlin), David = Dunkle (organist at the time) was surprised at how mild it was ... he had assumed = the soft sounds were due to the disintegrating chest. It was almost Italiante.   Lou Hill at St. James on 55th Street writes me that his Holtkamp is = getting the reservoirs releathered, and a pedal chest rebuilt (replaced?); the sagging = choir area is being rebuilt. I wonder if the pedal chest was from the original = Johnson tracker ... the Sub Bass was ... Walter Sr. built that organ out of bits = and pieces ... the church's Johnson, a Kimball from East Cleveland Baptist, = and some unidentified Wurlitzer parts (!) ... a little one-rank chest was added in = the '60s for a Pedal 4' Choral Bass. I remember Lou being annoyed because = "Aunta" Peterson, the Rector's wife, ordered the new stop and had it installed = without consulting him.   It's certainly a unique sound, in any case ... wonder why NOBODY could = ever get it to stay in TUNE (grin)?   Cheers,   Bud