PipeChat Digest #1986 - Sunday, April 1, 2001
 
Re: "voicing" the electroid (X-posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond
  by <Doppelflote8@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1985 - 04/01/01
  by "Peter Collings" <Mail@PeterCollings.com>
Its April Fools Day......
  by <Doppelflote8@aol.com>
hammond organ
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
hammond organ!?
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Its April Fools Day......
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Baroque Sheet Music on CD-ROM
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Tunings & Temperaments
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Tunings & Temperaments
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Tunings & Temperaments
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Tempermental temperaments
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: "voicing" the electroid (X-posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:21:23 -0800   At 08:36 PM 3/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: >DesertBob is now the proud owner of the Hammond (grin) ... I think he's >gonna make a roll-top desk out of it (chuckle).<snip>   Actually, it would be a MAHvelous aquarium stand, and the matching spin-dizzies could hold large ferns for the gucci-poochy look! Sure ain't =   worth cr*p as an organ!   dB    
(back) Subject: Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond From: <Doppelflote8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:19:04 EDT     --part1_37.12eb2bad.27f868a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In addition to an aquariun stand, it could be converted into a wet-bar. A =   little plunbing, a speed rack and your all set. If it can be done to = those lovely square grands, why not hammonds?   ( Not that we organbuilders imbide....)   Alan   --part1_37.12eb2bad.27f868a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0">In addition = to an aquariun stand, it could be converted into a wet-bar. &nbsp;A <BR>little plunbing, a speed rack and your all set. &nbsp;If it can be = done to those <BR>lovely square grands, why not hammonds? <BR> <BR>( Not that we organbuilders imbide....) <BR> <BR>Alan</FONT></HTML>   --part1_37.12eb2bad.27f868a8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1985 - 04/01/01 From: "Peter Collings" <Mail@PeterCollings.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:36:45 +0100   Bob Scarborough (desertbob@rglobal.net) wrote: >> Sorry, lil fella. Check your facts next time you decide to tangle with >> me. Whoever wrote this is obviously trying to patronise, and 'be better and more learned'. Obviously not a professor, organist, clergyman, or enthusiast...   I think you should be the one getting back to your comic books, and certainly off this list, as your comments are rude. I would love to tangle with you, but unfortunately I have no interest in such subjects. If you = have any defence for your rude comments, that I find feasible, then I will blow the dust off my hedge trimmer, and untangle your ego for you.         -----Original Message----- From: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 01 April 2001 10:01 Subject: PipeChat Digest #1985 - 04/01/01     >PipeChat Digest #1985 - Sunday, April 1, 2001 > > Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) > by "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com> > Re: Tempermental temperaments > by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) >From: "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com> >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:17:43 -0800 > >* Bob Scarborough (desertbob@rglobal.net) wrote: >> Sorry, lil fella. Check your facts next time you decide to tangle with >> me. > >You don't intimidate me. Obviously you know a lot, but if you assert >something I'm reasonably certain is wrong, I will call you on it, even >if it's a promise of the condescending tone you take with anyone who >disagrees with you. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Why must it be a >contest? > >> The term "codec" does not, nor ever has, any connotation of >> "compression" and "decompression", whether the nefarious MPEG Layer 3, >> or any other. > >The Webopedia (http://webopedia.internet.com/), mirrored by ZDNet, AOL, >and Lycos, lists as the first definition of codec: > > Short for compressor/decompressor, a codec is any technology for > compressing and decompressing data. Codecs can be implemented in > software, hardware, or a combination of both. Some popular codecs > for computer video include MPEG, Indeo and Cinepak. > >A site called "Acronym Finder" (http://www.acronymfinder.com/) lists as >its first match for CODEC: > > Compression/Decompression Module (usually applied to audio data) > >Thomson Multimedia themselves, creators of mp3, refer to "a new mp3 >coding-decoding (codec) format" in a recent press release >(http://www.thomson-multimedia.com/vus/04/042/01/090101.htm). Though >they call it coding-decoding, they're using it in the "compression and >decompression" sense, as it is in reference to mp3. > >I make no claim to the meaning of "codec" in the context of >telecommunications, since I know nothing about the phone system. But in >computer media vernacular, the most common use of "codec" is in >reference to compression/decompression. The device which converts >digital to analog (or vice-versa) is most commonly referred to as a DAC, >or Digital-Analog Converter. > >> The Turtle Beach product is barely better in codec signal-to-noise >> ratio than is a SoundBlaster AWE 32, which is dreadful at about 50 dB, >> less than a quality LP pressing! > >Which Turtle Beach product specifically? Because the website I cited >earlier (http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/) reports the Fiji's S/N >ratio to be 93 dB digital->analog and 83 dB analog->digital. Where do >you get your data? > >Joshua > >-- >Joshua Haberman >University of Puget Sound >http://www.reverberate.org > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Tempermental temperaments >From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 00:07:47 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Mack <mack02445@mindspring.com> wrote: >> Hey guys let's be careful, this is getting towards food fight >> proportions again and is an unwinnable war. My delete key is wearing >> down. >> > >CUTE! Thanks a bunch!!!! <g> > >P.S. Do you have to play today!!??? <BIG g> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Randy Terry >Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster >The Episcopal Church of St. Peter >Redwood City, California >www.stpetersrwc.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >End of PipeChat Digest > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Its April Fools Day...... From: <Doppelflote8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:01:29 EDT     --part1_7a.12b8e1d4.27f87299_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     What...no April Fools Day music postings???? Wheres our sense of humor? A little PDQ Bach would be so appropriate for today, and I bet our congregations would love it!   Hey, we dont have to be serious all the time now do we.   Off to church with grin and a chuckle, Alan   --part1_7a.12b8e1d4.27f87299_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What...no April Fools Day music postings???? <BR>Wheres our sense of humor? &nbsp;A little PDQ Bach would be so = appropriate for <BR>today, and I bet our congregations would love it! <BR> <BR>Hey, we dont have to be serious all the time now do we. <BR> <BR>Off to church with grin and a chuckle, <BR>Alan</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7a.12b8e1d4.27f87299_boundary--  
(back) Subject: hammond organ From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:19:48 EDT     --part1_21.9a19bd1.27f876e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi all! I am writing this post for my new church.... My church has appointed me as their organist, and they want to replace the =   current organ... The current organ is a 126 rank 1971, Aeolian Skinner pipe organ, Opus 1516...4 manual console...over 140 speaking stops, and 180 stops all = together (with couplers and everything) Works perfectly! WOW! They just have no = use for it... A pipe organ with a praise band!? I don't think so!! The solid state combination action of 1971 was replaced by Peterson = Electro Musical-Products, Inc. in 1982 and includes four levels of memory = controlling twelve general pistons, and eight divisional piston (except the Antiphonal =   which has five). In addition there are five master pistons and two tuttis. They will consider trading for a Hammond C-3, with a tone cabinet, cause = with a Lesiie speaker, it just wouldn't be a fair trade...                     In case any of you dont get this, or are shocked by the stupidity of the church................. APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!         --part1_21.9a19bd1.27f876e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all! <BR>I am writing this post for my new church.... <BR>My church has appointed me as their organist, and they want to replace = the <BR>current organ... <BR>The current organ is a 126 rank 1971, Aeolian Skinner pipe organ, Opus =   <BR>1516...4 manual console...over 140 speaking stops, and 180 stops all = together <BR>(with couplers and everything) Works perfectly! &nbsp;WOW! &nbsp;They = just have no use <BR>for it... <BR>A pipe organ with a praise band!? I don't think so!! <BR>The solid state combination action of 1971 was replaced by Peterson = Electro <BR>Musical-Products, Inc. in 1982 and includes four levels of memory = controlling <BR>twelve general pistons, and eight divisional piston (except the = Antiphonal <BR>which has five). In addition there are five master pistons and two = tuttis. <BR>They will consider trading for a Hammond C-3, with a tone cabinet, = cause with <BR>a = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;Lesiie speaker, it just wouldn't be a fair trade...</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>In case any of you dont get this, or are shocked by the stupidity of = the <BR>church................. <BR>APRIL <BR>FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!! <BR> <BR>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.9a19bd1.27f876e4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: hammond organ!? From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:26:37 EDT     --part1_4d.99ed52c.27f8787d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sheesh! I Wish! But we would consider trading our little Hammond C-3 for, say, an Allen Renaissance 480!?   josh   --part1_4d.99ed52c.27f8787d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sheesh! <BR>I Wish! <BR>But we would consider trading our little Hammond C-3 for, say, an = Allen <BR>Renaissance 480!? <BR> <BR>josh</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4d.99ed52c.27f8787d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:28:20 EDT     --part1_69.13566d7d.27f878e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/1/01 4:19:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Doppelflote8@aol.com writes:     > If it can be done to those > lovely square grands, why not hammonds? >   I had a friend who converted a Betsy Ross square grand into a lovely desk. = Her father even painted enameled keys across the edge so it looked like a piano. I almost sat down to tune it the first time I was there! Doink! = ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_69.13566d7d.27f878e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/1/01 4:19:51 AM Pacific = Daylight Time, <BR>Doppelflote8@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If it can be done to those <BR>lovely square grands, why not hammonds? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I had a friend who converted a Betsy Ross square grand into a lovely = desk. &nbsp; <BR>Her father even painted enameled keys across the edge so it looked = like a <BR>piano. &nbsp;I almost sat down to tune it the first time I was there! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Doink! &nbsp; <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_69.13566d7d.27f878e4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Its April Fools Day...... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:31:57 EDT     --part1_fc.421c414.27f879bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/1/01 5:02:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Doppelflote8@aol.com writes:     > What...no April Fools Day music postings???? > Wheres our sense of humor? A little PDQ Bach would be so appropriate = for > today, and I bet our congregations would love it! > >   Today I'm a reader at the Confirmation service. I considered walking to = the lectern and saying:   A reading from the Prophet Jeremiah.   Thus saith the Lord, YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!! BBWWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA   (um.... April Fool!!!)     ya think????   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_fc.421c414.27f879bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/1/01 5:02:06 AM Pacific = Daylight Time, <BR>Doppelflote8@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What...no April Fools Day music postings???? <BR>Wheres our sense of humor? &nbsp;A little PDQ Bach would be so = appropriate for <BR>today, and I bet our congregations would love it! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Today I'm a reader at the Confirmation service. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = considered walking to the <BR>lectern and saying: <BR> <BR>A reading from the Prophet Jeremiah. <BR> <BR>Thus saith the Lord, <BR>YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BBWWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <BR> <BR>(um.... April Fool!!!) <BR> <BR> <BR>ya think???? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fc.421c414.27f879bd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Baroque Sheet Music on CD-ROM From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:57:35 +0100   Wow! this sounds good! But does anyone know whether it is or will be available in the UK?   Steve Organist and Choirmaster, St Stephen's Canterbury, UK      
(back) Subject: Re: Voicing the Electroid/Fate of the Famed Hammond From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:21:06 -0500   Re: Square grands.   Some even line them with zinc and plant flowers. That's some flower box!    
(back) Subject: Re: Tunings & Temperaments From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:24:40 +0800   OK Ron, we have been at cross purposes. Bob E.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bob Elms: > > Now I understand where you are coming from, but I don't mean > Twelfths and Tierces. What I'm talking about is draw a Principal 8' > and play intervals in the middle of the keyboard.    
(back) Subject: Re: Tunings & Temperaments From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:26:57 +0800   Listen to a recording of one of our big organs. There are plenty around. Hear anything wrong with the tuning? Most but not all are equal temperament. I think I can say that ALL in my state are equal temperament. Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote: > > At 09:27 PM 3/31/2001 +0800, you wrote: > >Wrong or not Bob that is the way they are tuned in this part of the > >world. <snip> > > If this is so, Australian organs are tune to Pythagorian!! God help you > should you try to play anything in other than one "mode"! > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Tunings & Temperaments From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:28:54 +0800   We ARE at cross purposes. Read what I said again, Bob. I was NOT talking about fifths on the scale.Of course fifths are tuned to a faster beat than the fourths. However I was talking about the tuning of mutations. Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote: > > At 09:35 PM 3/31/2001 +0800, you wrote: > >As far as the fourths are concerned I wouodn't know without trying what = + or - > >beat there is.<snip> > > In ET, fifths are tuned to a faster "beat" than fourths when "laying the > bearings". There is no way you can have Equal Temperament with "perfect > fifths", period. Research this and get back to us. > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Tempermental temperaments From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:32:44 +0800   Of course I mean the tuning of mutations. If you read my other pots you will see that I mentioned that fact. I know the tuning of fourths and fifths in the scale but I was not referring to them. I know also that the thirds beat faster as you go up the scale. I couldn't tune an organ if I didn't observe those fundamentals matters. Fair go! I'm not a donkey tuner! Bob E. Bob Scarborough wrote: >=20 > At 11:41 AM 3/31/2001 -0500, Doppelfl=F6te wrote: > >The major thirds in a equal tempered scale are tuned "wide" and the be= ats get > >progressively faster.<snip> >=20 > Thanks for stating the obvious, which I neglected to do. It is quite > possible, after reviewing "t'other BawB"'s posts, that he does indeed m= ean > tuning of mutations, which, of course, it done to the true harmonic > series.