PipeChat Digest #2004 - Sunday, April 8, 2001
 
Re: Potential Hymnal Publishers
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Potential Hymnal Publishers
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
publishing a hymnal
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
The Passion-A little off topic
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
Re: publishing a hymnal
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Widor Toccata cut? -- Musicologists and/or Widorphiles disregard
  by "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
briarwood organ
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ Shoes
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Widor Toccata cut? -- Musicologists and/or Widorphiles disregard
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
drawings for the new organ (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Potential Hymnal Publishers From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:55:58 -0700     --------------1446E9BB9E68B26FAA6AFA2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Scott -- do it yourself. That's what we're doing. Get somebody with some legal expertise to research copyrights, and typeset it yourself on Finale or Sibelius. Remember ... a lot of the TUNES *aren't* copyright, so if you make a congregational tune book with just the words and the soprano part, you save yourself a LOT of hassle ... just indicate on the bottom of the page what hymnal to play the accompaniment out of, or do your own harmonizations.   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > I am curious as to what publishing houses may be available to put > together > and publish a hymnal. Any thoughts, ideas and contact information > will be > very helpful. Thanks so much in advance. (Of course I know about GIA > and > OCP.) > But I need to find sources to speak with about this project asap. > > Scott F. Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower   --------------1446E9BB9E68B26FAA6AFA2B Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Scott -- do it yourself. That's what we're doing. Get somebody with some legal expertise to research copyrights, and typeset it yourself on Finale or Sibelius. Remember ... a lot of the TUNES *aren't* copyright, so if you make a congregational tune book with just the words and the soprano part, you save yourself a LOT of hassle ... just indicate on the bottom of the page what hymnal to play the accompaniment out of, or do your own harmonizations. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I = am curious as to what publishing houses may be available to put = together</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>and publish a = hymnal.&nbsp; Any thoughts, ideas and contact information will be</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>very helpful.&nbsp; = Thanks so much in advance.&nbsp; (Of course I know about GIA and</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>OCP.)</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>But I need to find = sources to speak with about this project asap.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Scott F. Foppiano, = National Shrine of the Little Flower</font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------1446E9BB9E68B26FAA6AFA2B--    
(back) Subject: Re: Potential Hymnal Publishers From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:07:24 -0500     --------------3447E2E756839862BB2D098E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Scott asked:   > I am curious as to what publishing houses may be available to put > together > and publish a hymnal. Any thoughts, ideas and contact information > will be > very helpful.   to which I must comment that there is not quite enough information here to answer the question. How much work do you want to purchase? Are you preparing a hymnal and merely looking for a printer and binder, or do you want to submit a list of texts / tunes and have the publisher secure all of the necessary permissions? What kind of a final product do you evision--coil spring bound with journeyman paper, or archival quality, sewn bindings? And what is wrong with the hundreds of hymnals available on the market already?       --------------3447E2E756839862BB2D098E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Scott asked: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I = am curious as to what publishing houses may be available to put = together</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>and publish a = hymnal.&nbsp; Any thoughts, ideas and contact information will be</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>very = helpful.</font></font></blockquote> to which I must comment that there is not quite enough information here to answer the question.&nbsp; How much work do you want to purchase?&nbsp; Are you preparing a hymnal and merely looking for a printer and binder, or do you want to submit a list of texts / tunes and have the publisher secure all of the necessary permissions?&nbsp; What kind of a final = product do you evision--coil spring bound with journeyman paper, or archival = quality, sewn bindings? <br>And what is wrong with the hundreds of hymnals available on the market already? <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;</html>   --------------3447E2E756839862BB2D098E--    
(back) Subject: publishing a hymnal From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:49:40 -0700   I imagine Scott's running into the same thing that has motivated us to produce our own hymnal, or at least another supplement to the 1940.   We sing Office weekly; when the seminary is finished, we'll sing Office daily. At present, we have the Office Hymns for the seasons and major feasts, and a selection of the Commons in the back of the Evensong book I produced. We'll need them all eventually, and they're not to be had in one place in the versions I want. I sometimes take the melodies from the old Antiphonale Monasticum, and the texts from the Anglican Breviary ... to my knowledge, that pairing doesn't exist anywhere.   The 1940 is SERIOUSLY deficient in hymns for Epiphanytide, Lent, Passiontide, Eastertide, and Saint's Days, both Office Hymns and otherwise, and celebratory hymns for the Eucharist, as well as hymns on the Gospel of the Day. The '82 book remedied a lot of that, but not with texts and tunes in forms that WE would use for public worship, i.e., I still follow the OLD Solesmes Method, and we don't sing texts in modern English.   Over the years I've accumulated quite a body of pairings of texts and tunes that I'm fond of ... I'd like to FINALLY get them into a permanent collection. A few that come to mind:   Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus to "Vision" Day of Wrath, O Day of Mourning to the Dykes tune in the 1916 Hymnal The Word of God Proceeding Forth to the Mechlin tune O Come, Creator Spirit, Come to the Mechlin tune Hark! The Sound of Holy Voices to "Ode to Joy" Hail Thee, Festival Day to the Sarum Processionale tune St. Patrick's Breastplate with ALL the verses The Royal Banners Forward Go to "Spires" The Lenten Office Hymns to "Jesu dulcis memoria" (simple tone) The Easter Office Hymns to the Mechlin tune of "O Salutaris" Jesus, Son of Mary to the Ambrosian tune   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:47:31 -0700 (PDT)   Hi-   I've wondered about this, being a new organ student. My teacher gave me an address where I can purchase organ shoes. I assumed these would not be worn except for playing the organ.   If you are purchasing a pair to use for organ/street wear, won't this keep the shoe from sliding around on the organ? This is the purpose of the leather shoes, right?....the sliding aspect.   Also, won't street shoes scratch up the pedals or doesn't it matter?   Cindy-who doesn't know much but knows there are TWO types of organ shoes!! :-)   --- JKVDP@aol.com wrote: > I need to purchase a new pair of men's shoes which > will serve for both street > use and organ playing.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:51:04 EDT   In a message dated 4/7/01 7:54:56 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   << The problem with rubber heels is that they work like putting on the = brakes when your doing pedal work. They also sometimes leave black marks on = the pedals. Some new composition heels do not scuff pedals, but they still work like brakes. >>   Fine steel wool works good at getting heel marks off pedals..... John  
(back) Subject: The Passion-A little off topic From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:02:33 -0700 (PDT)   Hi List!   We just got back from attending "The Passion"..a dramatic musical presentation of God's redemptive plan for mankind. It was held at the Briarwood Pres. Church in Birmingham, AL. Are any of you familiar with this musical?   It is by Greg Nelson in Nashville and score and orchestration by David Hamilton. They are presenting it again tomorrow night and Greg and David are going to be there. There will be a CD made of tomorrow night/s performance.   It was just wonderful! There was full orchestra, about 125 voice choir and 4 soloists: Soprano, bass, tenor and I guess baritone?   Anyway, we were thinking about going back tomorrow night it was so wonderful! I met the pastor and asked if they ever had organ recitals and he introduced me to the conductor! I asked him about organ recitals and he said they had not had them in the past but were thinking of doing something like that. The pastor had said the organ is a big part of their program there... (music to my ears)and it's played every Sunday   Anyway, I had plenty of time to study the pipes and noticed a big box with enclosed pipes. I counted around 300 pipes but surely there are more hidden away. Does any one know anything about this organ? It is at Briarwood Pres. Church in Birmingham, AL.   Funny thing, when we walked in, the organ was playing and sounded so good. I asked the usher which side the organ was on and we headed for that side. I kept walking to our seats and we wound up on the 4th row! I asked my husband if this was close enough!   Well, to my disappointment, the organist finished and then......LEFT!!!   The director told me the only reason they did not use the organ tonight was because they had the orchestration. In my church they use the organ with orchestra but our orchestra is smaller than the one they had tonight.   It will be interesting to see if this church has something to offer as far as an organ recital in the future.   Thanks for letting me share my wonderful evening!!!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: publishing a hymnal From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:00:22 -0500   If or when you publish a hymnal, Bud, I will pay for a copy, if for no = other reason than to enjoy your services vicariously.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:22:41 -0400   Neither Florsheims for the Penneys shoes have 'marking' black heels.   In organ pedal technique the sole is called upon to hold notes and to slide from pedal to pedal, hence the necessity of a leather sole. The heel is called to hold notes and not to slide, but to serve as a pivot often holding a note while the toe moves.   Anyone doubt this? Name one composition in which the heel is required to slide from pedal to pedal in a legato fashion. As hard to find as parallel fifths in Bach chorales since sliding action can physically only occur when moving from a surface higher (a flat or sharp) to a lower surface (a natural). PLaying next to teach other naturals with the sole of one foot is possible only when the heel is used to hold the first pedal and the foot is pivoted on the heel...no slide.   For that reason non-leather heels can be a benefit rather than a detriment to pedal technique -- noel jones, aago ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ moderator, rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com/rodgers.html  
(back) Subject: Widor Toccata cut? -- Musicologists and/or Widorphiles disregard From: "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:27:37 -0500 (EST)   Pipechatters,   I'm wondering if anyone out there has ever figured out a logical way to cut out the middle section of the Widor Toccata. I'm anticipating Masses being longer than usual next weekend, and there's not much time (and too much to do) between them, so...I'd just assume cut out the middle section...every minute counts! (Besides, it'll mean less practice time this week!!)   Any suggestions? Surely somebody's come up with a "wedding" version of this piece?   Thanks, -greg bloomington, IN    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:04:32 -0400   The wonderful new line of Birckenstock Orgelpedalsandeln. They're airy, durable and have treads that grip those historic flat pedal claviers. They're very good for Flentrops. You can get them for an obscene price at the many shoe stores, especially in university towns with up-to-snuff organ departments.   Ben Baldus   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > I need to purchase a new pair of men's shoes which will serve for both > street > use and organ playing. I know there are at least two firms in North > America > which provide shoes specifically for organ playing. My general > impression > is that they are not durable for street use. I generally cannot carry > an > extra pair with me, especially when traveling. Does anyone have a > suggestion? > Jerry in Seattle    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:34:32 -0400   Come on, Gang,   This subject is crammed in the archives look there let's not beat it about here yet again thats what the archives are for.   Mack    
(back) Subject: briarwood organ From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:51:27 -0700 (PDT)   Cindy, The organ is a Casavant organ built in 1988. It is a 4/83. = Information about this and other Birmingham area instruments can be found at the Birmingham AGO website - = the index for the organ page is pasted in below:   http://panther.bsc.edu/~bhamago/organs/index.html   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Shoes From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:52:29 EDT   But Mack~~~~~   This time around its appearing that one CAN pedal the organ without the "correct" (politically and podiatrically) footwear,,,,this seems to make = it different, and I have been enjoying the convo this time around. hahahahahh =   (remember its gotta be fun) Cheers, ---Roc L V Rockafellow (who is glad to learn that he has been pedalling well,,,albeit NOT in the "correct" footwear all these years, penny loafers, with leather soles, correctly fitted -work for me)  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Toccata cut? -- Musicologists and/or Widorphiles disregard From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:16:27 -0700   Sure, just cut from the end of the F major section to the return of the = theme in F major in the pedal in octaves. "Everybody's Favorite Organ Music" has = it PRINTED that way (grin) ... leaves out the whole middle section.   Cheers,   Bud   Greg wrote:   > Pipechatters, > > I'm wondering if anyone out there has ever figured out a logical way to > cut out the middle section of the Widor Toccata. I'm anticipating = Masses > being longer than usual next weekend, and there's not much time (and too > much to do) between them, so...I'd just assume cut out the middle > section...every minute counts! (Besides, it'll mean less practice time > this week!!) > > Any suggestions? Surely somebody's come up with a "wedding" version of > this piece? > > Thanks, > -greg > bloomington, IN > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: drawings for the new organ (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:28:30 -0700   Got 'em today, and I don't like 'em ... the Great is cantilevered out over most of the choir seating ... there's no way in the WORLD they'll be able to hear the Great, much less the Swell behind it.   I suppose we could put the Great on the rail ... the little Beckerath that got moved from Mission San Luis Rey to the Immaculata in San Diego is like that ... Great on the rail, Swell/Positiv behind in the main case.   I'll think about it after Easter ...   Cheers,   Bud