PipeChat Digest #2011 - Tuesday, April 10, 2001
 
Re: full swell
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
The New Dobson in Louisiana
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Roman cathedral
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: The New Dobson in Louisiana
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Cliff Temple
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: full swell
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: full swell
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:02:24 EDT   Full Swell is just that... although one can leave off the celestes and the =   aeoline, whichever, in the long run, is lost in the tout ensemble and robs =   wind.   I BELIEVE it was G. Donald Harrison who said of one organ, "The 'Full = Swell' on this instrument is the Plein Jeu VI ranks and the 16' Bombarde -- the = rest is 'gravy'."   Full Swell DOES include all the reeds, the caged beast roaring away behind =   the shutters, in a well designed organ, can be barely heard when coupled = to the Great, but come blazing through like a wall of fire when the box is opened. Stanford, Parry, Elgar, the works -- it's an amazing sound.   It is interesting that you should view the Oboe as apart from the reeds, because in French Romantic organbuilding, the Hautbois is on the Fonds soundboard, and NOT controlled by the ventil. It is a critical part of = the warm Fonds d'Huit.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: The New Dobson in Louisiana From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:36:38 EDT     --part1_4f.a119d7d.2803d9c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/9/2001 6:42:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:     > Surely the new Dobson on the cover of this month's TAO qualifies in the > "stunning" category.   I do agree. When I first saw it, I took pleasure in staring at it for = quite a while, read the copy, and stared again. It is such a great solution to a number of problems, and getting that gentle sound down near the singers, = with the main case above able to sing out into the building is brilliant. It is = a very handsome conception. I'd love to hear it.   In the middle of great thunderboomers in CT,   Malcolm Wechsler       --part1_4f.a119d7d.2803d9c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 4/9/2001 6:42:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Surely the new = Dobson on the cover of this month's TAO qualifies in the <BR>"stunning" category.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I do agree. When I first saw it, I took pleasure = in staring at it for quite a <BR>while, read the copy, and stared again. It is such a great solution to = a <BR>number of problems, and getting that gentle sound down near the = singers, with <BR>the main case above able to sing out into the building is brilliant. = It is a <BR>very handsome conception. I'd love to hear it. <BR> <BR>In the middle of great thunderboomers in CT, <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_4f.a119d7d.2803d9c6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Roman cathedral From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:53:01 EDT     --part1_81.973f160.2803dd9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Roman cathedral? I would assume that would be a cathedral located in = Rome.   Offhand, I don't know of any cathedrals or churches in Rome named "Holy Trinity". But I'll have to check it out.   Now, if the reference was actually to the Catholic Church (founder: = Christ; first Pope: St. Peter*): there's a "La Trinite' " in Paris. In fact, = it's the church where Messaien was organist for more than 40 years.   The Greek Orthodox Church traces its lineage back to St. Andrew, first = bishop of Byzantium (later Constantinople, and now Istanbul). The Orthodox = Church of Jerusalem traces its lineage to St. James. That of Alexandria (Egypt) = to St. Mark. And the Church of Kerala (southwestern India) to St. Thomas. (That church = is now in communion with the See of Rome.)   The actual cathedral of the Pope, in his capacity as Bishop of Rome, is = St. John Lateran. The Basilica of St. Peter --- built over the tomb of St. = Peter --- is the Mother Church of Christendom. (Its onetime rival, St. Sophia = in Constantinople, was turned into a mosque by the Turks in 1453.) Several = of the greatest artists in history collaborated in the design of St. Peter's, = including Michelangelo, Raphael, and Bramante. In the 16th century, Palestrina was the choir director there and official composer to the = Vatican.   The only other church which might be called the Mother Church of = Christianity is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. That church is shared = by the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Armenian, Coptic, and Ethiopian Churches. = The keys to the only door are hereditarily entrusted to a Muslim family!   Arthur LaMirande   *Before they chop my head off: I am simply reiterating what the Catholic Church claims. From the Pope on down. I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I seem to recall that approximately two-thirds of all Christians worldwide are Roman Catholic, with the preponderance of the remainder being Eastern Orthodox.   People living in the United States can easily get a distorted perspective = of these matters. Some 25 years ago, I felt compelled to write a letter to = the AGO magazine, in response to a reference therein to the "three great liturgical traditions: Catholic, Anglican, and Lutheran". I pointed out = that the author of those lines was quite overlooking the Orthodox churches and = the other Eastern churches (Armenian, Coptic, etc.). As I recall, there was = one reasoned response, and several incensed responses --- some said that I = might as well have included Jewish synagogues!           --part1_81.973f160.2803dd9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roman cathedral? = &nbsp;I would assume that would be a cathedral located in Rome. <BR> <BR>Offhand, I don't know of any cathedrals or churches in Rome named = "Holy <BR>Trinity". &nbsp;But I'll have to check it out. <BR> <BR>Now, if the reference was actually to the Catholic Church (founder: = Christ; <BR>first Pope: St. Peter*): &nbsp;there's a "La Trinite' " in Paris. = &nbsp;In fact, it's <BR>the church where Messaien was organist for more than 40 years. <BR> <BR>The Greek Orthodox Church traces its lineage back to St. Andrew, first = bishop <BR>of Byzantium (later Constantinople, and now Istanbul). &nbsp;The = Orthodox Church <BR>of Jerusalem traces its lineage to St. James. &nbsp;That of Alexandria = (Egypt) to <BR>St. Mark. <BR>And the Church of Kerala (southwestern India) to St. Thomas. = &nbsp;(That church is <BR>now in communion with the See of Rome.) <BR> <BR>The actual cathedral of the Pope, in his capacity as Bishop of Rome, = is St. <BR>John Lateran. &nbsp;The Basilica of St. Peter --- built over the tomb = of St. Peter <BR>--- is the Mother Church of Christendom. &nbsp;(Its onetime rival, St. = Sophia in <BR>Constantinople, was turned into a mosque by the Turks in 1453.) &nbsp;Several of <BR>the greatest artists in history collaborated in the design of St. = Peter's, &nbsp; <BR>including Michelangelo, Raphael, and Bramante. In the 16th century, <BR>Palestrina was the choir director there and official composer to the = Vatican. <BR> <BR>The only other church which might be called the Mother Church of = Christianity <BR>is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. &nbsp;&nbsp;That = church is shared by <BR>the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Armenian, Coptic, and Ethiopian = Churches. &nbsp;The <BR>keys to the only door are hereditarily entrusted to a Muslim family! <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande <BR> <BR>*Before they chop my head off: I am simply reiterating what the = Catholic <BR>Church claims. &nbsp;From the Pope on down. &nbsp;I don't have the = statistics at my <BR>fingertips, but I seem to recall that approximately two-thirds of all <BR>Christians worldwide are Roman Catholic, with the preponderance of the =   <BR>remainder being Eastern Orthodox. <BR> <BR>People living in the United States can easily get a distorted = perspective of <BR>these matters. &nbsp;Some 25 years ago, I felt compelled to write a = letter to the <BR>AGO magazine, in response to a reference therein to the "three great <BR>liturgical traditions: Catholic, Anglican, and Lutheran". &nbsp;I = pointed out that <BR>the author of those lines was quite overlooking the Orthodox churches = and the <BR>other Eastern churches (Armenian, Coptic, etc.). &nbsp;As I recall, = there was one <BR>reasoned response, and several incensed responses --- some said that I = might <BR>as well have included Jewish synagogues! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_81.973f160.2803dd9d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The New Dobson in Louisiana From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:59:42 EDT     --part1_72.97385c1.2803df2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   There are more photos and information on the Dobson pages. The St. Joseph's Abbey is a wonderful place.   http://www.dobsonorgan.com/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_72.97385c1.2803df2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>There are more photos = and information on the Dobson pages. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The St. <BR>Joseph's Abbey is a wonderful place. <BR> <BR>http://www.dobsonorgan.com/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_72.97385c1.2803df2e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Cliff Temple From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:23:12 EDT   Howdy-   My school is going to be putting on a concert at the Cliff Temple Baptist Church (OakCliff, Dallas on Beckley Ave between 10th and something) later this month. My sis, who is in the choir, just got back from a rehearsal at =   the said church and was telling me all about the glorious organ that I = missed hearing. Can anyone give me the specs on this instrument? It isn't = mentioned on the church's website as far as I can see.   Thanks in advance, Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:47:57 EDT   In a message dated 4/9/01 10:07:26 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   << Her shoes harmonize completely with her hair and playing: cheap and =3D vulgar. >>   Good God, aren't we feeling rather pretentious? What a horrible thing to say... Thinking it is one thing but broadcasting it to the world is quite =   another!   I will agree that her theatrics are a bit much, not to mention the apparel.... but, she can outplay me any day of the week and for that I owe =   her respect!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:55:02 -0700   I'd say it would include everything at 16-8-4, including the chorus reeds; unless the mixture is a low-pitched Plein Jeu at 2 2/3 or 2, I'd leave it out for Lemare. But if it's needed to brighten up the reeds, then use it.   Usually composers of that period were more specific: "Full Swell to Fifteenth"; ("Full Swell to Mixture", sometimes); "Full Swell To Reeds" ....   Cheers,   Bud   Randolph Runyon wrote:   > What exactly is meant to be included in the registration indication > "Full Swell"--for example, in Edwin Lemare? Would it include a > mixture if one is on the swell? Would it exclude reeds other than > oboe? > > By the way, thanks to all those who responded to my question a couple > of weeks ago about conducting the choir from the organ bench. > > Randy Runyon > organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati > runyonr@muohio.edu > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:28:23 EDT   Hi Bud;   Full swell could be a combination as simple as Fagotto 16' and Plein Jeu = III. the 8' and 4' reeds don't add much. Virgil Fox used this all the time. I added to it the larigot piccolo and nasard and it was fuller with the = swell closed and coupled to the great. Open the swell slowly and you add fire and brimstone. Played on it's own manual it's a bit spartan but not unpleasant. Add the 4' principal to it a more broad French quality. G. Donald Harrison did it this way too and it's quite effective. He said the rest was = frosting, I tried it just that way and really saw his point. It works without = getting too thick.   Regards,   Ron Severin