PipeChat Digest #2012 - Tuesday, April 10, 2001
 
Re: Harry Rowe Shelley, "King of Love..."
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: full swell
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Organ Update: Dizzy Disney
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Organ Update: Dizzy Disney
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: full swell
  by "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net>
Re: Roman cathedral
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
"Iron-Person" Holy Week triathaliturgy contest (grin) (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: full swell
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "S LaManna" <showstager@hotmail.com>
Re: high fashion
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
Re: Palm Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted)
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: High Fashion
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Roman cathedral
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Harry Rowe Shelley, "King of Love..." From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:08:32 EDT     --part1_a0.12bced8c.280443b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   SPLENDID piece! Schmaltzy and rich. Very = "turn-of-the-century-Fifth-Avenue- big-Protestant-choir-sound" in my opinion. I have done this piece for = years, in fact even purchased a set in memory of a loved one at a past parish. = It's a great one to have in a Liturgical church which observes the Lectionary, = we have the 23rd Psalm several times a year and between this one, the Thomas Matthews setting, the Rutter setting and others it's nice to have the = variety.   Scott Foppiano   --part1_a0.12bced8c.280443b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">SPLENDID piece! = &nbsp;Schmaltzy and rich. &nbsp;Very "turn-of-the-century-Fifth-Avenue- <BR>big-Protestant-choir-sound" in my opinion. &nbsp;I have done this = piece for years, <BR>in fact even purchased a set in memory of a loved one at a past = parish. &nbsp;It's <BR>a great one to have in a Liturgical church which observes the = Lectionary, we <BR>have the 23rd Psalm several times a year and between this one, the = Thomas <BR>Matthews setting, the Rutter setting and others it's nice to have the = variety. <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a0.12bced8c.280443b0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:10:07 EDT     --part1_9a.129ee139.2804440f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well, to me "full swell" is exactly that. In addition, if one needs more guts than just the Swell, I use Great 16, 8 and 4 (and every other = division at those pitches) WITH full Swell coupled in. Nothing like that English "roar" to get a congregation and/or choir going! (You all should hear it = on the Grand Kilgen- MARVELOUS!)   Scott   --part1_9a.129ee139.2804440f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Well, to me "full = swell" is exactly that. &nbsp;In addition, if one needs more <BR>guts than just the Swell, I use Great 16, 8 and 4 (and every other = division <BR>at those pitches) WITH full Swell coupled in. &nbsp;Nothing like that = English <BR>"roar" to get a congregation and/or choir going! &nbsp;(You all should = hear it on <BR>the Grand Kilgen- MARVELOUS!) <BR> <BR>Scott</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9a.129ee139.2804440f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Organ Update: Dizzy Disney From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:52:23 -0400   When I first saw the photograph I indeed thought it was a California organ damaged by an earthquake. The specification looks very interesting (available from another source) especially the Trompeta de Los Angeles.   At first I thought that the facade layout was a joke then I realized that probably some high pressure PR person at Disney thought that this would be "cute." If Rosales and Glatter-Gotz wanted to build it at all they would have to go along with the facade. It is indeed a monstrosity but I think that the novelty will soon wear off. Organ lovers that would come to listen to this organ would probably leave with a negative comment about the facade. Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Update: Dizzy Disney From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:49:10 -0500   That facade would certainly give the average person a bad first = impression.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:48 -0500   Dear Listers ----   Years ago I was taught to establish "full organ" on a strange instrument by pulling on all stops, then removing one stop at a = time.....anything you can't hear go off.....leave it off.   Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: Roman cathedral From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:29:50 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3069743390_1401162_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   From: ALamirande@aol.com Subject: Roman cathedral   Roman cathedral? I would assume that would be a cathedral located in = Rome.   =3D80=3D80=3D80 Well, that's one perfectly valid interpretation, of = course. But only one of several, unless you conclude that an Anglican cathedral must be one located in Anglia, an Armenian cathedral one located in Armenia, and a Serbian Orthodox cathedral as one located in Serbia. (Well, at least I didn't say "Romish" cathedral!)     Offhand, I don't know of any cathedrals or churches in Rome named "Holy Trinity". But I'll have to check it out.   =3D80=3D80=3D80 But I was thinking of cathedrals of the Roman Church as = Scott Foppiano has often used the term: cathedrals whose bishops' obedience is to the Roman=3D20 Catholic Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father, the Pope. So any location would be a fit example.     Now, if the reference was actually to the Catholic Church (founder: = Christ; first Pope: St. Peter*): there's a "La Trinite' " in Paris. In fact, = it's the church where Messaien was organist for more than 40 years.   =3D80=3D80=3D80 And how could I have forgotten that? Not a cathedral, of = course, but certainly a church made very well known by the man on the bench there for = s=3D o long!     *Before they chop my head off: I am simply reiterating what the Catholic Church claims. From the Pope on down.   =3D80=3D80=3D80 Of course.     I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I seem to recall that approximately two-thirds of all Christians worldwide are Roman Catholic, with the preponderance of the remainder being Eastern Orthodox.   =3D80=3D80=3D80 Close enough for my purposes. "Preponderance" might be a = bit strong. =3D I might look it up next week, but not this week.     People living in the United States can easily get a distorted perspective = o=3D f these matters. Some 25 years ago, I felt compelled to write a letter to = th=3D e AGO magazine, in response to a reference therein to the "three great liturgical traditions: Catholic, Anglican, and Lutheran".   =3D80=3D80=3D80 And you're certainly right, of course. They were = (automatically but wrongly) thinking of "the West" as all of Christendom--and of "Anglican" = an=3D d "Lutheran" as being something "other than Catholic." If one doesn't think clearly, one can hardly write clearly.   What I was really wondering about, though (and here I'd better pull in my reins; I'm getting too off topic for this list) is the medieval NORTHERN European emphasis on the doctrine of the Trinity (think Patrick with the shamrock). The Brits Christianized Scandinavia. Weren't even Bremen and Hamburg under Brit auspices? What is the WHY for the northern fascination with this subject?--which, I suppose, the Mediterranean world had disposed of during the Nicene struggles and all that.   To avoid offending any who (rightly) prefer to remain on topic, I'd prefer responses off list.   Alan             --MS_Mac_OE_3069743390_1401162_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Roman cathedral</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>ALamirande@aol.com <B>Subject: </B>Roman cathedral<BR> <BR> Roman cathedral? &nbsp;I would assume that would be a cathedral located in = =3D Rome.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 Well, that's one perfectly valid interpretation, of = course. &nbsp;But o=3D nly <BR> one of several, unless you conclude that an Anglican cathedral must be one = =3D <BR> located in Anglia, an Armenian cathedral one located in Armenia, and a = <BR> Serbian Orthodox cathedral as one located in Serbia. &nbsp;(Well, at least = =3D I <BR> didn't say &quot;Romish&quot; cathedral!)<BR> <BR> <BR> Offhand, I don't know of any cathedrals or churches in Rome named = &quot;Hol=3D y <BR> Trinity&quot;. &nbsp;But I'll have to check it out.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 But I was thinking of cathedrals of the Roman Church as = Scott Foppiano =3D <BR> has often used the term: &nbsp;cathedrals whose bishops' obedience is to = th=3D e Roman <BR> Catholic Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father, the Pope. &nbsp;So any location = w=3D ould <BR> be a fit example.<BR> <BR> <BR> Now, if the reference was actually to the Catholic Church (founder: = Christ;=3D <BR> first Pope: St. Peter*): &nbsp;there's a &quot;La Trinite' &quot; in = Paris.=3D &nbsp;In fact, it's <BR> the church where Messaien was organist for more than 40 years.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 And how could I have forgotten that? &nbsp;Not a = cathedral, of course, =3D but <BR> certainly a church made very well known by the man on the bench there for = s=3D o <BR> long!<BR> <BR> <BR> *Before they chop my head off: I am simply reiterating what the Catholic = <B=3D R> Church claims. &nbsp;From the Pope on down.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 Of course.<BR> <BR> <BR> I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I seem to recall that = <BR=3D > approximately two-thirds of all Christians worldwide are Roman Catholic, = <B=3D R> with the preponderance of the remainder being Eastern Orthodox.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 Close enough for my purposes. = &nbsp;&quot;Preponderance&quot; might be =3D a bit strong. &nbsp;I <BR> might look it up next week, but not this week.<BR> <BR> <BR> People living in the United States can easily get a distorted perspective = o=3D f <BR> these matters. &nbsp;Some 25 years ago, I felt compelled to write a letter = =3D to the <BR> AGO magazine, in response to a reference therein to the &quot;three great = <=3D BR> liturgical traditions: Catholic, Anglican, and Lutheran&quot;.<BR> <BR> =3D80=3D80=3D80 And you're certainly right, of course. &nbsp;They were = (automatically b=3D ut <BR> wrongly) thinking of &quot;the West&quot; as all of Christendom--and of = &qu=3D ot;Anglican&quot; and <BR> &quot;Lutheran&quot; as being something &quot;other than Catholic.&quot; = &n=3D bsp;If one doesn't think <BR> clearly, one can hardly write clearly.<BR> <BR> What I was really wondering about, though (and here I'd better pull in my = <=3D BR> reins; I'm getting too off topic for this list) is the medieval NORTHERN = <B=3D R> European emphasis on the doctrine of the Trinity (think Patrick with the = <B=3D R> shamrock). &nbsp;The Brits Christianized Scandinavia. &nbsp;Weren't even = Br=3D emen and <BR> Hamburg under Brit auspices? &nbsp;What is the WHY for the northern = fascina=3D tion <BR> with this subject?--which, I suppose, the Mediterranean world had disposed = =3D <BR> of during the Nicene struggles and all that.<BR> <BR> To avoid offending any who (rightly) prefer to remain on topic, I'd prefer = =3D <BR> responses off list.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3069743390_1401162_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:21:35 -0700   At 01:47 AM 4/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I will agree that her theatrics are a bit much, not to mention the >apparel.... but, she can outplay me any day of the week and for that I = owe >her respect!<snip>   Well said. However ... just WHAT is she looking for over on the left = side of the pedalboard all the time??? I keep thinking she dropped something over there and is looking for it while she's playing!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:30:29 -0500   I can no longer find the first lady of the organ on the stations around here. In fact I can't find any organ progams on the TV. I wish I could..! Luther    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:39:37 EDT     --part1_82.97d4894.28049f59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/9/01 2:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = rweber@aero.net writes:     > Her shoes harmonize completely with her hair and playing: cheap and = vulgar   Well, I hope that Richard Weber's organ playing is as good as or better = than Ms. Bish's with not a trace of cheapness or vulgarity. If so, he should be = a top level recitalist. How come nobody's ever heard of him except when he makes such incredibly rude remarks as this one?   Mick Berg.   --part1_82.97d4894.28049f59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 4/9/01 2:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = rweber@aero.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Her shoes = harmonize completely with her hair and playing: cheap and = vulgar</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Well, I hope that Richard Weber's organ playing is as good as or = better than <BR>Ms. Bish's with not a trace of cheapness or vulgarity. If so, he = should be a <BR>top level recitalist. How come nobody's ever heard of him except when = he <BR>makes such incredibly rude remarks as this one? <BR> <BR>Mick Berg. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_82.97d4894.28049f59_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "Jeffrey Trimble" <jtrimble@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:29:13 -0400   At 09:21 AM 4/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:47 AM 4/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>I will agree that her theatrics are a bit much, not to mention the >>apparel.... but, she can outplay me any day of the week and for that I = owe >>her respect!<snip>   Back in my graduate days a group of organ majors were at our teacher's house for a cookout. Someone made a comment regarding Diane and we were royally chastised by our teacher. To quote him (and I still remember his quote) " No, No, don't say those things, she can certainly play. But more important, she has reached out to the common man--where none of you organ majors have done so--you sit on your ivory towers."   That certainly put all of us in our places. IT also made me think about artist who "show off the organ". I have seen her in concert and she has been stunning to the audience. (And to me too.) She is gracious when a guest and you couldn't ask for anyone to be so nice and reach out to the audience.   When she plays a concert anywhere, there is SRO. (Standing Room Only).   Best wishes,       Jeffrey A. Trimble Trinity United Methodist Church Organist Youngstown, Ohio    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:45:14 -0500   Interesting thread. I think it is both fascinating and telling that = everyone seems to love the look of the Disney organ - except for organists. As a group, it's obvious that we once again have our fingers firmly on the = pulse of the public.   Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: "Iron-Person" Holy Week triathaliturgy contest (grin) (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:57 -0700   I told my choir they came in second; they should give the first-place trophy to St. Mary Magdalene's in Toronto and RETIRE it (grin) ... THEY still sing all THREE nights of Tenebrae AND the liturgies (or did the last time I heard).   Cheers,   Bud, who just finished pasting up the Easter Vigil (60 pages) and two Masses for Easter Day with EVERY word and EVERY note of music in all three    
(back) Subject: Re: full swell From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:27:09 -0400   > > >It is interesting that you should view the Oboe as apart from the reeds, >because in French Romantic organbuilding, the Hautbois is on the Fonds >soundboard, and NOT controlled by the ventil. It is a critical part of = the >warm Fonds d'Huit. > >Sebastian Matthaus Gluck >New York City   Many thanks for the thoughtful replies to my question. Yes, I was thinking gallically, half-remembering those registration indications from French composers in which hautbois is listed separately from anches.   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:44:34   Hello All - I think perhaps that the following 'old saying' may apply here: "Don't judge a book by its cover." Certainly, this organ looks a bit strange, and may offend the = sensibilities of those who are used to straight, parallel lines and such. I hope I'll be =   able to hear this instrument when it, and the hall that it will reside in, =   is complete.   David Carter     >From: "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@HB.QUIK.COM> >Reply-To: "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@HB.QUIK.COM> >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu >Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:13:08 -0400 > >LGMM: > >Ron Severin and Gene Stroble have both described the somewhat bizarre and >fanciful Rosales/Glatter-Goetz being built for Disney Hall as ugly. = Severin >went so far as to call it a "monstrosity" (a term I tend to reserve for >gratuitously big instruments), and Stroble described it as looking = broken. > >Personally, I think I'll reserve judgement on its appearance until I see >the >finished product. I do note, though, that it doesn't look any more >outlandish than the building itself. I'm told that thirty years ago, the >St, >Mark's Flentrop was considered bizarre-looking. > >As far as "ugly" goes, I certainly wouldn't consider the new instrument = to >be nearly as ugly as, say, a typical spinet-model toy. > >-- >James H. H. Lampert >Professional Dilettante > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- >tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- >versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to >listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web >page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "S LaManna" <showstager@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:22:28 -0400   I think that the very fact that the grill/case has been designed in this = way is keeping perfectly with Disney's plan of making EVERYTHING interesting.   It is all show business, and, might just interest more people in the instrument that a standard case.   Living in Orlando and working with the company for many years let's me = speak with confidence in terms of what kind of curiosity this will provide, and maybe more interest that the average bear.       Steve LaManna AVI Creative Show Services 7101 Presidents Drive Suite 105 Orlando, FL 32809 Toll Free: 888.251.9651 x3714 FAX:407.854.0969 A national leader in full service production, staging, video, graphics and =   creative services for the meetings, incentive and convention industries. http://www.aviinc.com/cs   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: high fashion From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:04:36 -0400   At 02:27 PM 04/09/2001, you wrote: >>And Ron Severin in a gold lame sheath would look about like Bud Clark in = a >>gold lame sheath ... a pair of LARGE gold lame SAUSAGES (grin).     Could serve as a live facade for Sebastian's Sausage Organ.   <g>   --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:50:39 EDT     --part1_6f.13dd3182.2804cc1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/10/01 11:41:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rggreene2@home.com writes:     > . As a group, it's obvious that we once again have our fingers firmly on = the > pulse > of the public. >   Funny, I was thinking of another place!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6f.13dd3182.2804cc1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/10/01 11:41:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>rggreene2@home.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. As a group, it's = obvious that we once again have our fingers firmly on the <BR>pulse <BR>of the public. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Funny, I was thinking of another place!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.13dd3182.2804cc1f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:51:22 -0500   On 4/10/01 3:50 PM, Bill Freiberger wrote:   >>=20 >>=20 >>>>> Interesting thread. I think it is both fascinating and telling that >> everyone >> seems to love the look of the Disney organ - except for organists. <<< >=20 > EVERYONE "seems to like to look of the organ"? I think Mr. Greene's > statement makes a VERY large assumption. On the other hand, if we are to > judge by the airwaves, "EVERYONE" seems to like WWF and Turner wrestling, > Madame Cleo and her Tarot cards, The Simpsons, and North Park. I think I'= ll > stick with the (in his view) minority and opine that the G-G organ seems = to > be the product of an architect who looks upon Matt Groening's cartooning = as > art.   On the contrary, the public and trained visual artists such as architects d= o seem to be quite impressed with the design. So I don't feel it's a VERY large assumption. All of the criticism I have seen focuses on the visual design of the fa=E7ade and comes from organists, who are not trained visual artists, and are therefore no more qualified to comment on the visual desig= n of the instrument than any member of the general public.   The only real objection that I have to the pretention of the organ world towards the great unwashed public that many organists so disdain is that those same organists expect that same great unwashed public to meekly hand over great gobs of lucre to pay for ever more expensive pipe organs. If you really feel that the public is so uncultured and unworthy, quit asking them for money!    
(back) Subject: Re: Palm Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted) From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:03:15   Bud - Don't worry - folks in all professions suffer brain f***s. I worry if I don't have one at least once a day (I'm a computer geek at my day job).     >From: quilisma@socal.rr.com >I forgot to play the Kyrie, if you please (grin) ... it was Merbecke, so >it was no great loss. I believe the technical liturgical term is brain >f*** (grin).     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: High Fashion From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:22:57 -0400   Shirley Wrote: "Could serve as a live facade for Sebastian's Sausage Organ."   Now Desert Bob, you for sure want to stay away from this one. Don't got there. Just breathe and teach--breath and take medicine--that's it :-)   Cheers Mike (who is having a belly laugh just imagining your reply <grin> )    
(back) Subject: Re: Roman cathedral From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:19:20 -0500       Alan Freed wrote, in part:   > The Brits Christianized Scandinavia. Weren't even Bremen and > Hamburg under Brit auspices?   I know the Norway was evangelized by the British, but I always understood that the balance of Scandinavia was evangelized from Germany....   ns      
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:22:26 -0400   Amen and amen.   Russ Greene wrote:   > On the contrary, the public and trained visual artists such as architec= ts do > seem to be quite impressed with the design. So I don't feel it's a VERY > large assumption. All of the criticism I have seen focuses on the visua= l > design of the fa=E7ade and comes from organists, who are not trained vi= sual > artists, and are therefore no more qualified to comment on the visual d= esign > of the instrument than any member of the general public. > > The only real objection that I have to the pretention of the organ worl= d > towards the great unwashed public that many organists so disdain is tha= t > those same organists expect that same great unwashed public to meekly h= and > over great gobs of lucre to pay for ever more expensive pipe organs. If= you > really feel that the public is so uncultured and unworthy, quit asking = them > for money! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org