PipeChat Digest #2015 - Wednesday, April 11, 2001
 
Re: The Palms
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
Re: Disney Organ
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by <Orgnplayer@aol.com>
Re: organist-bashing
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Disney Organ
  by "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com>
Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: first lady-person of the organ
  by "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
"Her Bishness", "Wizzley" and "LA Confidential"
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
synesthesia
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The Palms From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:10:20   Good Morning All from Not-So-Sunny Sacramento!   Does a recording exist of this song?   Thanks! David Carter     >From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: The Palms >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:06:57 -0500 > >Karl, apparently your congregation is made up of much deeper thinkers - = I'm >not sure my congregation even listen to or read the text. It's just a >pretty song. > >Glenda Sutton > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> > > > So while the essence of Palm Sunday is a horrible story of human > > fickleness and sin, this cutsie song walzes along as though the day = were >a > > victory celebration. People like it, of course, because it lets them >shield > > themselves from the real subject matter and have a good time in = church. > > Popular, yeah; responsible, hardly. Artistic value: just about = zilch. >It > > plays well to the masses, but in the name of responsible music and > > churchmanship, it's best forgotten. > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:20:48 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C279.755044C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The Beagles couldn't have put it better. A round of beagle treats on my = =3D bill please. Bill ----- Original Message -----=3D20 Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ     In a message dated 4/11/01 8:01:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=3D20 JamesM8336@aol.com writes:=3D20       Why do some on this list need to bash any organist who is=3D20 successful and appealing to the public?=3D20         Easy! Diane Bish does not play by the "rules." She does her own =3D thing the=3D20 way she wants to do it, and, the most irritating part of it, she's =3D made a=3D20 bundle o' dough along the way. Unfortunately, as organists, we are =3D often=3D20 taught not to like what is popular and that what we don't like is to =3D be=3D20 considered wrong. Take tracker action, f'rinstance.... or =3D well-temperament.=3D20   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C279.755044C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The Beagles couldn't have put it better.&nbsp; A =3D round of=3D20 beagle treats on my bill please.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: first lady-person = =3D of the=3D20 organ</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 4/11/01 8:01:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:JamesM8336@aol.com">JamesM8336@aol.com</A> writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Why do some on this list need to bash any organist who = =3D is=3D20 <BR>successful and appealing to the public? <BR><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3Darial lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D3D#000000 = =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Easy! &nbsp;&nbsp;Diane = =3D Bish does not=3D20 play by the "rules." &nbsp;&nbsp;She does her own thing the <BR>way =3D she wants=3D20 to do it, and, the most irritating part of it, she's made a <BR>bundle = =3D o'=3D20 dough along the way. &nbsp;Unfortunately, as organists, we are = often=3D20 <BR>taught not to like what is popular and that what we don't like is = =3D to be=3D20 <BR>considered wrong. &nbsp;&nbsp;Take tracker action, f'rinstance.... = =3D or=3D20 well-temperament. <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~=3D20 &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the =3D Beagle's Nest=3D20 ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, =3D Molly,=3D20 and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C279.755044C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:31:56 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C0C27B.039A8C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   That should have Silberman, JSB, et al spinning in their graves. Bill ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Nicholas Good=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Disney Organ     Try http://www.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Stephen Barker=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Disney Organ     As someone who lives in the UK and doesn't get the American Organist = =3D Magazine or what ever this picture was in, is there any site on the =3D internet that has a picture of it? I'm just intrigued to see what =3D you're all talking about! =3D20 Steve Canterbury UK   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C0C27B.039A8C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>That should have Silberman, JSB, et al spinning in = =3D their=3D20 graves.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:nickgood@ix.netcom.com" =3D title=3D3Dnickgood@ix.netcom.com>Nicholas=3D20 Good</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 11, 2001 = =3D 8:19=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Disney Organ</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Try <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm">http://w= =3D ww.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk"=3D20 title=3D3Dsteve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>Stephen =3D Barker</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 11, = =3D 2001 8:11=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Disney Organ</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>As someone who lives in the UK = and =3D doesn't get=3D20 the American Organist Magazine or what ever this picture was in, is = =3D there=3D20 any site on the internet that has a picture of it?&nbsp; I'm just =3D intrigued=3D20 to see what you're all talking about!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Canterbury</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>UK</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0034_01C0C27B.039A8C80--    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: <Orgnplayer@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:39:25 EDT     --part1_23.a320941.2805e2bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/11/01 9:25:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wdbabcock@msn.com writes:     > Diane Bish does not play by the "rules." She does her own thing the > way she wants to do it, and, the most irritating part of it, she's made = a >   So we should criticize her for being original and creative, and being able = to make a lot of money for it? Are you just jealous that you didn't think of = an organ music TV series first??   On Monday, I'm headed to Florida to join Diane on her "Joy of Music" = Bermuda cruise. I'm going to enjoy every minute.   Douglas   --part1_23.a320941.2805e2bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/11/01 9:25:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>wdbabcock@msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Diane Bish does = not play by the "rules." &nbsp;&nbsp;She does her own thing the <BR>way she wants to do it, and, the most irritating part of it, she's = made a <BR>bundle o' dough along the way. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>So we should criticize her for being original and creative, and being = able to <BR>make a lot of money for it? &nbsp;Are you just jealous that you didn't = think of an <BR>organ music TV series first?? <BR> <BR>On Monday, I'm headed to Florida to join Diane on her "Joy of Music" = Bermuda <BR>cruise. &nbsp;I'm going to enjoy every minute. <BR> <BR>Douglas</FONT></HTML>   --part1_23.a320941.2805e2bd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organist-bashing From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:52:28 -0700   Thanks for the great story, Bud. Patty B-bach     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Subject: organist-bashing     > Older listmembers will remember when bashing The Fox was the order of > the day. > (snip) > > My comment at the time: "you don't have to PLAY like The Fox to ENJOY > him." And that pretty much summed it up. I would have given just about > ANYTHING to have his "chops." > > Cheers, > > Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:57:22 EDT   In a message dated 4/10/01 9:07:13 PM Central Daylight Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:   << I stress that this post in no way intends to impugn Jillian Weir's artistry, but merely provides an example of why it is necessary to entertain a little at each concert. >>   Very true. Debussy was looking ahead when he wrote that "[music] must = never be shut in and become an academic art." This is exactly what has happened, =   and look where classical music is now- the average person thinks that it = is only for the elite. People who bring the fun back into classical music to reach wider audiences should be applauded, not put down- at least they're looking ahead and trying to keep this noble form of music alive.   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:34:33 -0400   This is exactly what has happened, >and look where classical music is now- the average person thinks that it = is >only for the elite. People who bring the fun back into classical music to >reach wider audiences should be applauded, not put down- at least they're >looking ahead and trying to keep this noble form of music alive.   Haven't we heard all this before??   Isn't it the truth that to keep anything alive it must be more than just a memory? And to do that it takes $$$?   And if you can't appeal to a wide enough audience there won't be any $$$?   If anyone has a concrete reply to the contrary, I'd love to hear it.     John V.....   who's putting on a CD of Andre Rieu's orchestra who has made millions playing sell-out concerts where young people danced in the aisle to that "same old Blue Danube waltz" which he plays FOR the audience and not for himself.      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Organ From: "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:23:57 -0700 (PDT)   --0-172482140-987017037=3D:34307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii       "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> wrote:         That should have Silberman, JSB, et al spinning in their graves. Bill   ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas Good To: PipeChat Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Disney Organ     Try http://www.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm   ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Barker To: PipeChat Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Disney Organ     As someone who lives in the UK and doesn't get the American Organist = Magazine or what ever this picture was in, is there any site on the = internet that has a picture of it? I'm just intrigued to see what you're = all talking about! Steve Canterbury UK     --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! = Mail. --0-172482140-987017037=3D:34307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P> <BR> <P>&nbsp; <B><I>"W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" &lt;wdbabcock@msn.com&gt;</I></B> = wrote: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = Transitional//EN"><BR> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR><BR> <STYLE></STYLE> <BR><BR> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>That should have Silberman, JSB, et al spinning in = their graves.</FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:nickgood@ix.netcom.com" = title=3Dnickgood@ix.netcom.com>Nicholas Good</A> </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A> </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 11, 2001 = 8:19 AM</DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Disney Organ</DIV><BR> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try <A = href=3D"http://www.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm">http://www= .gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney_images.htm</A></FONT></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk" = title=3Dsteve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>Stephen Barker</A> = </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A> </DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 11, 2001 = 8:11 AM</DIV><BR> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Disney Organ</DIV><BR> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As someone who lives in the UK and = doesn't get the American Organist Magazine or what ever this picture was = in, is there any site on the internet that has a picture of it?&nbsp; I'm = just intrigued to see what you're all talking about!</FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Canterbury</FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>UK</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr = size=3D1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> <a href=3D"http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dmailiyfoot">Yahoo! = Mail Personal Address</a> - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-172482140-987017037=3D:34307--  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:29:08 -0500   Nonsense! Patronage of the Arts including music has always been a = socially acceptable means for the unwashed, unlettered and untutored to buy their = way "In". Be it in society or through the church into heaven. ;-) Bill   ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Greene <rggreene2@home.com> To: PIPORG-L <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu>; PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Interesting new Disney Hall organ X-Posted     On 4/10/01 3:50 PM, Bill Freiberger wrote:   >> >> >>>>> Interesting thread. I think it is both fascinating and telling that >> everyone >> seems to love the look of the Disney organ - except for organists. <<< > > EVERYONE "seems to like to look of the organ"? I think Mr. Greene's > statement makes a VERY large assumption. On the other hand, if we are to > judge by the airwaves, "EVERYONE" seems to like WWF and Turner = wrestling, > Madame Cleo and her Tarot cards, The Simpsons, and North Park. I think I'll > stick with the (in his view) minority and opine that the G-G organ seems to > be the product of an architect who looks upon Matt Groening's cartooning as > art.   On the contrary, the public and trained visual artists such as architects = do seem to be quite impressed with the design. So I don't feel it's a VERY large assumption. All of the criticism I have seen focuses on the visual design of the fa=E7ade and comes from organists, who are not trained = visual artists, and are therefore no more qualified to comment on the visual = design of the instrument than any member of the general public.   The only real objection that I have to the pretention of the organ world towards the great unwashed public that many organists so disdain is that those same organists expect that same great unwashed public to meekly hand over great gobs of lucre to pay for ever more expensive pipe organs. If = you really feel that the public is so uncultured and unworthy, quit asking = them for money!     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:11:12 -0700   At 12:30 PM 4/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I can no longer find the first lady of the organ >on the stations around here.<snip>   Diane Bish's "Joy of Music (and Airline Travel)" airs twice weekly on TBN, =   but they keep moving her timeslot around to ungodly hours. On the west coast, she is aired on Fridays at around 4:00 AM, thus necessitating = taping.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: first lady-person of the organ From: "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:53:23 -0500   We've had a lot of discussion of Diane Bish's organ playing, but would anyone care to say what they think of her organ compositions?   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church Cincinnati, Ohio  
(back) Subject: "Her Bishness", "Wizzley" and "LA Confidential" From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:15:31 -0700   At 08:10 PM 4/10/2001 -0500, David wrote (and I didn't excise completely,=20 for many of his points bear repeating): >It seems that history is repeating itself! Back when i was in college the= =20 >organist that many tired to put down as being crash was Virgil Fox. There= =20 >were all sorts of noses up in the air about him and his playing.<snip>=20 >Virgil with all his touring, including his touring with "Black Beauty" or= =20 >whatever electronic organ he was using at various times, did more for our= =20 >art than any other organist of his time except for E. Power Biggs. <snip>= =20 >Yet, I also know that Virgil could play Bach and other composers in a=20 >complete "academic" fashion if he wanted to. But he also knew that the=20 >"unwashed masses" wouldn't and didn't relate to that type of performance.= =20 ><snip> We need more artists like Diane and Virgil to bring the organ to=20 >the general public. Luckily, it seems that some of the younger generation= =20 >of artists is following their lead with programs of transcriptions and fun= =20 >music. And NOT being so academic in their playing. <il snippo al fine>   I agree with all of the above, for what it's worth. I recall the great=20 panning of Fox in the '60s, and the allegiance of AGO forces with=20 Biggs. However, for the public, there was, in those times, a wonderful=20 dichotomy ... Fox, for those "unwashed masses" who loved the tons of syrup= =20 be poured forth out of the Riverside =C6-S, and Biggs, whose hard-edged=20 "trackerbackerism" and re-exposure of long dormant Baroque repertoire=20 tickled the fancies of the more academic among us.   What's important here is that the organ had TWO major recording and=20 performance stars in American at this time, each with his own=20 following. It would be crass to dismiss other, more scholarly performers,= =20 of course, such as Catherine Crozier (whose local performances I'd never=20 miss), but they simply lacked the essence of "showmanship" that the "top=20 two" did. Bish revels in such theatrics because she knows her public, who= =20 faithfully attend her recitals anywhere she goes, demands it. I'm quite=20 sure the historic record shows much showmanship in the performances of=20 greats such as Edwin LeMare and Lynnwood Farnham, also, among others.   Transferring this to the "Wizzley Trainwreck", however, I don't find the=20 premise of "showmanship" to be applicable. This organ, with its ridiculous= =20 excesses in tracker action, its "Super-Scoop of Fries" fa=E7ade (designed by= =20 failed but "popular" architect Frank Gehry, whose acoustical dabblings at=20 the Hollywood Bowl over the years only made things even worse) and=20 off-the-wall specification (just WHAT would you DO with a 32' Clarinet,=20 anyway???), does NOT bode well for the near future of organbuilding in=20 general, and the "Wizzley" venue in particular. Assertions that the=20 "Wizzley" mess is critically acclaimed are patently false, as anyone who's= =20 had their eyes in the Los Angeles Times over the last few years would know= =20 first off. Words like "unconventional" and "controversial" accompany every= =20 article, though the authors at the time were obviously being held at bay by= =20 the pre-Tribune takover Times' commercially and politically brown-nosing=20 editorial and publishing offices. As for Rosales, his work has already=20 made itself known in Los Angeles, searing the ears off of listeners with=20 coarse, loudly voiced tone, reminding one of another failed builder,=20 "Rough-Fatty", although minus the usually unreliable Italian electrical=20 components.   There were better choices, to be sure, in both architects and=20 organs. However, the cultural elitism in Los Angeles, and the unchecked=20 influence of a well-connected mayor left these choices possibly not being=20 the best aesthetically or artistically. I've asked many "non organists"=20 about the "trainwreck" downtown, most being involved in the arts in one=20 discipline or another. The responses thus far have been unanimous ...=20 "This thing's a cartoon!" Ask any Seattle resident about Gehry's late=20 disaster, financed by "Microsoft Money", the Museum of Rock 'n=20 Roll. Comments like "it looks like an airplane from Boeing crashed=20 downtown" are far more common than anything complimentary, with words like= =20 "eyesore" being heard and read far more often. Due to LA being still a=20 "company town", and Disney being one of the biggest "companies", the=20 reasons for the cartoonish architecture are quite clear ... it's an ego=20 stroke job for the insufferable Michael Eisner, with Disney family members= =20 being used as "front men"!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: synesthesia From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:33:33 -0700   Dear List,   This week's New York Times Science Times section has an article about = synesthesia, the commingling of senses. People with synesthesia process = inputs from one sense as though they were coming from another. According = to the article, some can "taste shapes", others "feel sounds", etc. At = least in some contexts, synesthesia is regarded as a capability, rather = than a problem or a sympton of something else, because it allows people to = apply pattern matching and other skills in novel ways.   I frequently find myself thinking of flavors in terms of sound spectra, = and I can't help but imagine that a lot of organists do the same thing. = Not only is it a convenient way to describe a taste sensation, but judging = from a lot of discussions I've read here, it allows us to commingle two of = our favorite activities.   A big, soft Merlot, for instance, has a lot of fundamental in it. A = tannic Bordeaux that's not quite ready still has a little too much tierce. = What's more fitting to go with a Cornet than a lively Retsina? You might = want to avoid chorus reeds, except at those times when you really need a = dose of the hard stuff.   If the organ really is on the way out, maybe we can all become sommeliers. = Or have I just drawn one baarpijp too many?   Dick Meckstroth