PipeChat Digest #2035 - Wednesday, April 18, 2001
 
THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes
  by <JamesM8336@aol.com>
Re: LA "Philharmonic Auditorium"
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Service Manual
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: Easter preludes
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Christ Lag for Easter
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Meredith E. Baker: April 22, 3 PM, Cadet Chapel, WP, NY (x-post)
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Easter Postlude: correction
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Easter Preludes
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Recordings inquiry (X-postedP)
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:26:51 -0500   I received this request today....is there anyone who can help?   thanks,   Jon   From: Barbara Parker Narita <bphnarita@earthlink.net> Subject: THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY I am trying to research the life and work of ARTHUR GUTOW [1895-1965] who worked and played throughout the US, mostly in Chicago and New York City. I know while living in the latter city, he played for the Rockerfeller Center and produced many arrangements. John Muri, too, mentioned him in his eulogy to George Wright. All the Theatre Organ Societies seem to be doing a great job of preserving our Theatre Organs and continuing to present concerts on them. However, I am having a very hard time doing historical work on past players. Can you help me? Or direct me to the appropriate persons or sources? I would very much like to see their stories and memorabilia preserved. Unfortunately I live in neither Chicago nor New York; in fact I live in a rural area on the West Coast. Thanks for you consideration. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated Barbara Parker    
(back) Subject: Re: THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:52:22 -0400   >I received this request today....is there anyone who can help? > >thanks, > >Jon > >From: Barbara Parker Narita <bphnarita@earthlink.net> >Subject: THEATRE ORGANISTS' HISTORY >I am trying to research the life and work of ARTHUR GUTOW [1895-1965] >who worked and played throughout the US, mostly in Chicago and New York >City. I know while living in the latter city, he played for the >Rockerfeller Center and produced many arrangements. >John Muri, too, mentioned him in his eulogy to George Wright. >All the Theatre Organ Societies seem to be doing a great job of >preserving our Theatre Organs and continuing to present concerts on >them. However, I am having a very hard time doing historical work on >past players. Can you help me? Or direct me to the appropriate persons >or sources? I would very much like to see their stories and memorabilia >preserved. >Unfortunately I live in neither Chicago nor New York; in fact I live in >a rural area on the West Coast. >Thanks for you consideration. Any help you can give me would be much >appreciated >Barbara Parker   I suggest you contact Tom Stehle tjskinura@aol.com. he's a virtual encyclopedia of TO facts around the NYC area. (Also the secretary of the New york Chapter of ATOS - N.Y.T.O.S.)   Good luck!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes From: <JamesM8336@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:36:13 EDT     --part1_9.141efed4.280f46ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/17/01 8:31:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:     > But Bruce, I choose music for the text, and point my people to the text = in > their hymnals. If they choose not to read it, that's fine. I also > remember the first time I heard it - as a short postlude on Easter 2. I =   > thought it was glorious then, and still do. We just don't agree, but it =   > doesn't mean you're not a nice person! > > I agree Glenda. I do the same thing. The tune is based on the = medieval > melody for "Christ ist erstanden." which is based on the Gregorian = chant > of the Easter sequence, "Victimae paschali." > > Jim       --part1_9.141efed4.280f46ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/17/01 8:31:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But Bruce, I = choose music for the text, and point my people to the text in <BR>their hymnals. &nbsp;If they choose not to read it, that's fine. = &nbsp;I also <BR>remember the first time I heard it - as a short postlude on Easter 2. = &nbsp;I <BR>thought it was glorious then, and still do. &nbsp;We just don't agree, = but it <BR>doesn't mean you're not a nice person! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I agree Glenda. &nbsp;I do the same thing. &nbsp;The tune &nbsp;is = based on the medieval <BR>melody for "Christ ist erstanden." &nbsp;which is based on the = Gregorian chant <BR>of the Easter sequence, "Victimae paschali." <BR> <BR>Jim</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_9.141efed4.280f46ad_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: LA "Philharmonic Auditorium" From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:52:57 -0700   At 09:32 PM 4/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: >This reference (and several others) to "Philharmonic Auditorium Building"= =20 >was, I believe, Temple Baptist Church, home to the LA Phil for many years. >Am I mistaken? <snip>   That came MUCH later, in the 1960s. With the Philharmonic, the LA Opera=20 and all other tenants moving out, the Auditorium Building management inked= =20 a long-term lease agreement with Temple Baptist for them to use the=20 auditorium portion of the complex. A 1960's modern fa=E7ade was tacked on= to=20 the Olive St. entrance to the building (the third such decorative change to= =20 the building), the balconies were closed off and a faux open mesh "ceiling'= =20 was added. Even the addition of the false ceiling didn't really foul up=20 the hall's vaunted acoustics that much, and its 1910 Austin sounded=20 wonderful to the end, albeit lacking any meaningful upper work. Temple=20 began holding weekly services there after the Phil's move up the hill to=20 the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, and did so until 1984, when the building's=20 owners opted to destroy the building for a high rise project. Destruction= =20 of the auditorium and its attached "skyscraper" (12 stories) started in=20 1985 and took over a year due to its unexpectedly stout constitution,=20 driving the Japanese developer into bankruptcy. Said high rise project=20 never materialized, and now, last I saw, the property is but a parking=20 lot. However, across the street, the aging San Carlos Hotel and the stone= =20 German Methodist Church were removed for Sempra Energy's "The Gas Co."=20 corporate headquarters. The ground floor on the corner of the San Carlos=20 building housed Googie's Coffee Shop, now considered, in its absence, a=20 perfect example of late 1950's Southern California "coffee shop kitsch".   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Service Manual From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:56:07 -0700   At 10:05 PM 4/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I'm looking for a Service Manual for a Hammond Elegante Model = 340107.<snip>   http://www.mitatechs.com   Parts for LSI Hammonds are getting scarce, as they were notoriously unreliable. Organ Service Co. in La Grange, IL is owned by a former Hammond Co. engineer from the "old days", but he only handles parts for tonewheelers. There's another outfit posted on Mitatechs that handles LSI =   Hammonds (post 1974) that may be able to supply you with parts and literature you need. Hint: ALL LSI Hammonds had horrible connector and contact problems. Usually a dead LSI Hammond can be brought back to life, =   however temporarily, cleaning and "exercising" every connector in the = organ.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:08:57 -0400   I'm happy to offer this opportunity as specified at Saint Luke's Lutheran Church (ELCA), in communion with PCUSA.   Look us up at http://home.earthlink.net/~stlukesnyc/index.html   Check especially music-related stuff. On that Sunday we'll have a guest presider/preacher, but a very fine one.   If you like what you see, get back to me.   Alan Freed Parish Administrator Saint Luke's Church   > From: Bruce Rickert <br@theconventioncompany.com> > Organization: The Convention Company > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:56:40 -0400 > To: "'pipechat@pipechat.org'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC > > >> I am planning a trip for a Western Pennsylvania High School choir to = New >> York. They are looking for a Northern New Jersey or New York City = church >> that they may attend on April 29, 2001 - preferably Presbyterian. They >> would also like to be involved in the music of the service if at all >> possible. Does anyone have a suggestion or contact? >> >> I look forward to your reply. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Bruce Rickert >> Peak Performance Tours >> Ph: (215) 862-8095 >> Fx: (215) 862-8096 >> br@peakperformancetours.com > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:07:52 -0500   Since this thread itself refuses to go into Todesbanden, which I kept hoping it would, I should like to know what tempo you people play = the "Christ lag ..." Orgelb=FCchlein setting at and what registration you = use.   Also, I know some people can't get enough of the Orgelb=FCchlein, yet somehow I've ignored it since my very earliest days as an organ = student. The settings are too short to be practical in my experience as a church musician, save for stringing a bunch of settings together, which I = almost would never do anymore. So my question here is: how many mature = organists out there with a vast repertory who can play difficult works are still playing these pieces? For me they are fine for beginning students, and = even then perhaps in small doses. I'm not looking for flames, even though = the weather here in the Chicago area is chilly, but am hoping some others = will join me in feeling that these pieces are of limited value rather than priceless gems that must be taken out of the vault and shown to the = public at regular intervals.   I could further put my neck on the block and say that I think there are an awful lot of uncultured, unknowing parishioners in churches = across America, whose numbers are increasing daily, who would be turned off by = this piece and other pieces like it. Must they suffer because we insist on force-feeding them this cod liver oil?   Bob Lind, who is guilty of having written a number of turgid Easter organ works that he would no longer think of playing =20     The old 11th-century plainsong sequence hymn for Easter and its octave, "Victimae Paschali laudes," was the root onto which the Germans grafted the branch "Christ ist erstanden," which is really the same tune, just in Teutonic rather than Latin musical style. And a tough Teuton it is!   Then Luther, of course, took that same tune and reconstructed it into his "Christ lag in Todesbanden" (in 1524 in the Erfurt "Enchiridia" and in Johann Walther's "Geystliche gesangk Buchleyn")--which Bach thought was good enough to use for two settings in his "Choralges=E4nge" and for all seven movements of the Cantata 4, as well as in Cantata 158. And of course the organ settings in the Miscellaneous Preludes ass well as in the Orgelb=FCchlein.   Really fine stuff.=20   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter preludes From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:14:36 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3070458876_36518679_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: Cremona502@cs.com Subject: Re: Easter preludes   it is far too somber for a celebration of the Resurrection.   Ah, then perhaps it is a matter of taste--or just personal preference. I certainly want bells ringing and snappy music on Easter Sunday morning. Rippling trumpets, etc. But that's not ALL I want. "Somber" is not = TOTALLY out of place on Easter morning.   Alan     --MS_Mac_OE_3070458876_36518679_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Easter preludes</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#FFFF80"> <B>From: </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Easter preludes<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#008000"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"> it = is far to=3D o somber for a celebration of the Resurrection. <BR> <BR> <H2>Ah, then perhaps it is a matter of taste--or just personal preference. = =3D &nbsp;I certainly want bells ringing and snappy music on Easter Sunday = morni=3D ng. &nbsp;Rippling trumpets, etc. &nbsp;But that's not ALL I want. = &nbsp;&qu=3D ot;Somber&quot; is not TOTALLY out of place on Easter morning.<BR> <BR> </H2><FONT SIZE=3D3D"5"><B>Alan</B></FONT><BR> </FONT></FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3070458876_36518679_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Lag for Easter From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:22:48 EDT   I have used it as a prelude on Holy Thursday! A rendition of the same on Easter would get grouchy comments such as "Lent ended yesterday!!" = Personally I have usually done the various movement of the Benoit Suite for Easter . regards Dick Siegel  
(back) Subject: Meredith E. Baker: April 22, 3 PM, Cadet Chapel, WP, NY (x-post) From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:58:58 -0400   Dear Pipechatters,   Hope that some of you can attend what promises to be a fine recital! Please come up to the console after the program to greet Meredith, my colleague of c. 10 years; I shall be somewhere nearby. One of her former students will serve as page-turner.   Pat Maimone Post Chapel Subject: Meredith Baker's program for April 22, 3 PM, Cadet Chapel, West Point, New York (50 miles north of Manhattan..)   Meredith Elaine Baker, organ Organist-Choirmaster, Most Holy Trinity (Catholic) Chapel, West Point, NY, Sep 1991 - present   Sunday, April 22, 2001 3 PM   Cadet Chapel - USMA - West Point     Toccata in F Major BWV 540 Johann Sebastian Bach 1685 - 1750     Kleine Pr=E4ludien und Intermezzi Werk 9 Hermann Schroeder 1904 - 1984 I. Maestoso II. Andante sostenuto III. Allegro moderato IV. Allegretto V. Andantino VI. Poco vivace     Pr=E9lude et Fugue sur le nom d'Alain Maurice Durufl=E9 1902 - 1986   Litanies (15 Aug 1937) Jehan Ariste Alain 1911 - 1940     Free Admission You're Invited!   Directions to Cadet Chapel: please call 845-938-2308 There is an infrequent bus, the Short Line, from Port Authority, NYC; the Metro North train from Grand Central stops in Croton-Harmon and Garrison.   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:14:45 -0400   Very nice website.   Ben Baldus   Alan Freed wrote:   > I'm happy to offer this opportunity as specified at Saint Luke's = Lutheran > Church (ELCA), in communion with PCUSA. > > Look us up at http://home.earthlink.net/~stlukesnyc/index.html > > Check especially music-related stuff. On that Sunday we'll have a guest > presider/preacher, but a very fine one. > > If you like what you see, get back to me. > > Alan Freed > Parish Administrator > Saint Luke's Church > > > From: Bruce Rickert <br@theconventioncompany.com> > > Organization: The Convention Company > > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:56:40 -0400 > > To: "'pipechat@pipechat.org'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Subject: Need help from Churches in Northern Jersey and NYC > > > > > >> I am planning a trip for a Western Pennsylvania High School choir to = New > >> York. They are looking for a Northern New Jersey or New York City = church > >> that they may attend on April 29, 2001 - preferably Presbyterian. = They > >> would also like to be involved in the music of the service if at all > >> possible. Does anyone have a suggestion or contact? > >> > >> I look forward to your reply. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Bruce Rickert > >> Peak Performance Tours > >> Ph: (215) 862-8095 > >> Fx: (215) 862-8096 > >> br@peakperformancetours.com > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Lag in Todesbanden; was: Easter preludes From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:28:54 -0400   Dear Pipe Chatters:   Although I expressed my like for Christ ist Erstanden, and the Purvis = partita thereon; it in no way diminishes my enjoyment of Christ lag in = Todesbanden.   In response to Bob Lind's request, I play Christ lag at a moderate (but = not slow) tempo with a solid plenum on all manuals plus reeds. Whatever the = manual registration, I beef up the pedal a bit more because of the wonderful bass line. Depending on the mood, I may play the chorale from Cantata 4 as = prelude or postlude to the piece. I find it to be in no way gloomy, but, rather, = firey, exciting, intense and most people like it. ...Even Presbyterians.   Who continues to like chorale preludes... ancient, modern or in-between!   Ben Baldus    
(back) Subject: Easter Postlude: correction From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:05:18 EDT     --part1_7a.13a51f63.280f77ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Correction to my earlier posting about the Easter Postludes at l'Oratoire = St. Joseph, Montreal:   Mme. Laurin played the Finale from one of Vierne's symphonies.   M. Daveluy, though, did play the famous Toccata of Widor. Which, incidentally, does succeed very well in impressing the unsophisticated hoi =   polloi --- although, technically, it is child's play compared to, say, = "Der Heiland ist erstanden" [The Saviour is Risen] by Franz Schmidt. Most of = the Widor can be learned at the piano keyboard quite easily.   On a previous occasion, I reviewed, in considerable detail, the Easter services at the Oratory, on that other organ website. Considering some = of the very adverse --- and even hostile --- reactions on that occasion, I am =   not going to give another detailed review here. I'll just say that the = music and the liturgy were about as close as one can get to Heaven on this = earth. (Except, perhaps, for the Patriarchal liturgy at the new Moscow Cathedral = --- which, however, is sans orgue.)   At the Oratory, Renaissance polyphony predominated, in an acoustical = ambience comparable to that of the Vatican. Alas, the Oratory still does not = bother to indicate, in the printed program, what it is that is being sung. So unless one is a real Renaissance expert, it's hard to know what they are singing --- whether it be Palestrina, Lassus, Victoria, or what have you. =   (My guess is that they were singing Palestrina.) There is also some contemporary music for the modern French-language liturgy --- music which, = in my opinion, is far superior to what is generally used nowadays in the American Catholic church. (Inasmuch as the French syllables are = inextricably intertwined with the musical notes, it would be difficult to transcribe = this music for the English-language liturgy.)   There are no hymns, in the American sense. Except for one at the = recessional --- and even there, the congregation sings only the refrain. The congregation is invited to sing the responses at the Reponsorial Psalm, at =   the Sanctus, and at other responses. Otherwise, the singing is done by = the choir, or (for the versicles of the some responses) by the cantor. It's = all very liturgical. (My views on hymn-singing are, I think, already quite = well known.)   Much of the choir singing is a capella, as befits Renaissance music. The organ accompanies the choir at the post-Gospel "Gloire a toi" (followed by = a great organ fanfare), the Sanctus, and a few other places in the Mass.   For the 11 a.m. High Mass on Easter Sunday, the choir entered in = procession, singing a capella (and from memory) the traditional Vide Aquam in Latin. = To be followed by the Kyrie and Gloria (Renaissance polyphony). For the = Gloria, all clergy and congregation sat down, just as in the old (pre-1964) days.   Well, I am now back in New York City. We just don't encounter that kind = of liturgy in this city. Not these days.   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_7a.13a51f63.280f77ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Correction to my = earlier posting about the Easter Postludes at l'Oratoire St. <BR>Joseph, Montreal: <BR> <BR>Mme. Laurin played the Finale from one of Vierne's symphonies. <BR> <BR>M. Daveluy, though, did play the famous Toccata of Widor. &nbsp;Which, =   <BR>incidentally, does succeed very well in impressing the unsophisticated = hoi <BR>polloi --- although, technically, it is child's play compared to, say, = "Der <BR>Heiland ist erstanden" [The Saviour is Risen] by Franz Schmidt. = &nbsp;Most of the <BR>Widor can be learned at the piano keyboard quite easily. <BR> <BR>On a previous occasion, I reviewed, in considerable detail, the Easter =   <BR>services at the Oratory, on that other organ website. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Considering some of <BR>the very adverse --- and even hostile --- reactions on that occasion, I am <BR>not going to give another detailed review here. &nbsp;I'll just say = that the music <BR>and the liturgy were about as close as one can get to Heaven on this = earth. &nbsp; <BR>(Except, perhaps, for the Patriarchal liturgy at the new Moscow = Cathedral --- <BR>which, however, is sans orgue.) <BR> <BR>At the Oratory, Renaissance polyphony predominated, in an acoustical = ambience <BR>comparable to that of the Vatican. &nbsp;Alas, the Oratory still does = not bother <BR>to indicate, in the printed program, what it is that is being sung. = &nbsp;So <BR>unless one is a real Renaissance expert, it's hard to know what they = are <BR>singing --- whether it be Palestrina, Lassus, Victoria, or what have = you. &nbsp; <BR>(My guess is that they were singing Palestrina.) &nbsp;There is also = some <BR>contemporary music for the modern French-language liturgy --- music = which, in <BR>my opinion, is far superior to what is generally used nowadays in the <BR>American Catholic church. &nbsp;(Inasmuch as the French syllables are = inextricably <BR>intertwined with the musical notes, it would be difficult to = transcribe this <BR>music for the English-language liturgy.) <BR> <BR>There are no hymns, in the American sense. &nbsp;Except for one at the = recessional <BR>--- and even there, the congregation sings only the refrain. &nbsp;The =   <BR>congregation is invited to sing the responses at the Reponsorial = Psalm, at <BR>the Sanctus, and at other responses. &nbsp;Otherwise, the singing is = done by the <BR>choir, or (for the versicles of the some responses) by the cantor. = &nbsp;It's all <BR>very liturgical. &nbsp;(My views on hymn-singing are, I think, already = quite well <BR>known.) <BR> <BR>Much of the choir singing is a capella, as befits Renaissance music. = &nbsp;The <BR>organ accompanies the choir at the post-Gospel "Gloire a toi" = (followed by a <BR>great organ fanfare), the Sanctus, and a few other places in the Mass. <BR> <BR>For the 11 a.m. High Mass on Easter Sunday, the choir entered in = procession, <BR>singing a capella (and from memory) the traditional Vide Aquam in = Latin. &nbsp;To <BR>be followed by the Kyrie and Gloria (Renaissance polyphony). &nbsp;For = the Gloria, <BR>all clergy and congregation sat down, just as in the old (pre-1964) = days. <BR> <BR>Well, I am now back in New York City. &nbsp;We just don't encounter = that kind of <BR>liturgy in this city. &nbsp;Not these days. <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7a.13a51f63.280f77ae_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Preludes From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:36:06 EDT   In a message dated 4/18/01 1:39:16 PM Central Daylight Time, Bruce writes:   << But, "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" fits the mood of what is going on. =   It's been pounded into my head for years that "Christ lag.." is Easter music, = but I'll be damned if I can hear why? >>   Well, that's rather subjective on all fronts. Not all Easter music is or should be joyous sounding, especially when pondering the great mystery of = the empty tomb... A friend of mine at a Hardin Simmons University had an organ piece commissioned for Easter by a fellow music professor, of his, at the same school and he asked that it be written in a "creepy French style"... and = it works ;-)   Just my nickel's (which happens to be the new state quarter of Florida -- they count a nickel five times there) worth!   John  
(back) Subject: Recordings inquiry (X-postedP) From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:03:04 EDT   Greetings!   I hope everyone had a blessed Easter, Passover, Spring fertility festival, = or (fill-in-the-blank) holiday!   I have just purchased the music to Jean Francais's "Suite Carmelite" and I =   would like to know if anyone out there knows of a recording of these = charming pieces. I heard Gillian Weir play them live last year but I'd like a recording to refer to as I practice and learn these pieces.   Thanks!   Steven