PipeChat Digest #2042 - Sunday, April 22, 2001
 
Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Organist as politician
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
professional musicians practicing
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: professional musicians practicing
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
SERIOUS vs. PROFESSIONAL
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: St. Peter's Episcopal Redwood City CA
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:59:42 EDT     --part1_15.130ef3f8.2813b12e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/21/01 7:39:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:     > And why is it that choir directors tend to get more money than > organists when _they_ don't have to spend hours practicing? > >   Silly boy!! It's because choir-directors have to stand up while they = work. Organists get to sit down... ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_15.130ef3f8.2813b12e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/21/01 7:39:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>runyonr@muohio.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And why is it that = choir directors tend to get more money than <BR>organists when _they_ don't have to spend hours practicing? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Silly boy!! &nbsp;It's because choir-directors have to stand up while = they work. &nbsp; <BR>Organists get to sit down... &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15.130ef3f8.2813b12e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:07:35 EDT     --part1_29.13c108ed.2813b307_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/21/01 8:12:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oakesmarilyn@yahoo.com writes:     > I've also said for years that every church musician > would benefit from a counseling degree.   Of course, then you wouldn't have to spend your time working in a = church!!! You could have reasonable hours, a good income and a pipe organ at home. =   Then you could go to church on Sunday and either give needed support to = the organist or join the crown in moaning about why the music is so bad!!! = ;-)   Wishing I'd stayed in counselling!! Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_29.13c108ed.2813b307_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/21/01 8:12:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>oakesmarilyn@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've also said for = years that every church musician <BR>would benefit from a counseling degree. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Of course, then you wouldn't have to spend your time working in a = church!!! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>You could have reasonable hours, a good income and a pipe organ at = home. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>Then you could go to church on Sunday and either give needed support = to the <BR>organist or join the crown in moaning about why the music is so bad!!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Wishing I'd stayed in counselling!! &nbsp; <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.13c108ed.2813b307_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Organist as politician From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:23:40 EDT     --part1_54.134cebbe.2813b6cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The inane remark quoted --- "professional musicians don't need to = practice" --- well, it's hard to believe that ANYONE could be so obtuse as to make = such a comment. But I suppose there really are people that obtuse around.   Personally, I would have no patience whatever with such a remark, or such = a person. That's one good reason why I'm not working in a church. Church organists = --- especially in the U.S. and other Anglo-Saxon countries --- have to be politicians, as well as musicians. Diplomats as well. There are some of = us who are no good at politics or diplomacy. Speaking one's mind is apt to = get a church organist into trouble. (Or a non-church organist into trouble, = on a website like this one!)   Of course: orchestra conductors have the same problem, albeit with a different clientele.   In the French system (which also prevails in Quebec), organists are more insulated from such puerilities. I'm all for that system.   Many Protestant churches are locked up tight all week, so I would imagine = the organists thereof would not have a serious problem with regard to practice =   time. In many Catholic churches, however, the churches are open all day, = for prayer and meditation; and the people doing the praying don't like to be disturbed by "loud" organ music! And are known to express these views = quite vocally to any organist whose practicing disturbs them. In one very well-known cathedral in New York City, the organists are prohibited from practicing at all, while the cathedral is open to the public; so that the organists must do all of their practicing after 9 p.m., when the cathedral =   closes to the public! (They then have to compete with workmen, floor washers, etc.)   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_54.134cebbe.2813b6cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>The inane remark quoted = --- "professional musicians don't need to practice" <BR>--- well, it's hard to believe that ANYONE could be so obtuse as to = make such <BR>a comment. &nbsp;But I suppose there really are people that obtuse = around. <BR> <BR>Personally, I would have no patience whatever with such a remark, or = such a <BR>person. <BR>That's one good reason why I'm not working in a church. &nbsp;Church = organists --- <BR>especially in the U.S. and other Anglo-Saxon countries --- have to be <BR>politicians, as well as musicians. &nbsp;Diplomats as well. = &nbsp;There are some of us <BR>who are no good at politics or diplomacy. &nbsp;Speaking one's mind is = apt to get <BR>a church organist into trouble. &nbsp;(Or a non-church organist into = trouble, on a <BR>website like this one!) <BR> <BR>Of course: orchestra conductors have the same problem, albeit with a <BR>different clientele. <BR> <BR>In the French system (which also prevails in Quebec), organists are = more <BR>insulated from such puerilities. &nbsp;I'm all for that system. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Many Protestant churches are locked up tight all week, so I would = imagine the <BR>organists thereof would not have a serious problem with regard to = practice <BR>time. &nbsp;In many Catholic churches, however, the churches are open = all day, for <BR>prayer and meditation; and the people doing the praying don't like to = be <BR>disturbed by "loud" organ music! &nbsp;And are known to express these = views quite <BR>vocally to any organist whose practicing disturbs them. &nbsp;In one = very <BR>well-known cathedral in New York City, the organists are prohibited = from <BR>practicing at all, while the cathedral is open to the public; so that = the <BR>organists must do all of their practicing after 9 p.m., when the = cathedral <BR>closes to the public! &nbsp;(They then have to compete with workmen, = floor <BR>washers, etc.) <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_54.134cebbe.2813b6cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: professional musicians practicing From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:03:39 -0400   I know where the ignorant lay person was coming from, but there is as little truth to it. Many of us have he ability to practice in packets, or for duration's of time to get our chops down, this careful practice pays off in the programming of our minds and the abilities to recall and have the music under finger, and to even internalize it. On the same side of the coin, some intense practicing and careful planing stores up a lot of music interest in our little mind banks. Many of us ca play off the earned interest for some time and then do it all over again. Typically, it's the "challenged" organist (if you ant to call them that) that has the need for constant practice. For many of us, we can manage or comfort level at any time and then come right back in a do it all over again, Less talented people would have as problem, so In my book, the statement doe have merrit.    
(back) Subject: Re: professional musicians practicing From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:27:40 EDT     --part1_3c.a8988ee.2813c5cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/21/01 10:04:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:     > . Many of us can play off the earned interest for some time and then do = it > all over again. > This is true. When it comes to service playing, which I've been doing = for over forty years now, I don't have to practice hymns or service music = (except for new canticles). I do practice, or play, hymns daily since I love to play them, but if the priest turned around and asked for just about any = hymn in the book I wouldn't be hard pressed to play it. My practice is and = has been primarilyi directed toward literature, which makes everything else easier.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3c.a8988ee.2813c5cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/21/01 10:04:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. &nbsp;Many of us = can play off the earned interest for some time and then do it <BR>all over again. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">This is true. &nbsp;&nbsp;When it comes to = service playing, which I've been doing for <BR>over forty years now, I don't have to practice hymns or service music = (except <BR>for new canticles). &nbsp;&nbsp;I do practice, or play, hymns daily = since I love to <BR>play them, but if the priest turned around and asked for just about = any hymn <BR>in the book I wouldn't be hard pressed to play it. &nbsp;&nbsp;My = practice is and has <BR>been primarilyi directed toward literature, which makes everything = else <BR>easier. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.a8988ee.2813c5cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: SERIOUS vs. PROFESSIONAL From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:41:42 -0700 (PDT)     --- Wayne Grauel <wgvideo@attglobal.net> wrote:   > Typically, it's the "challenged" organist (if you ant to call them that) > that has the need for constant practice. For many of us, we can manage > or comfort level at any time and then come right back in a do it all > over again, Less talented people would have as problem, so In my book, > the statement doe have merrit.   Wayne - I am sure you don't intend your comments to insult anyone, I wish = you had used more tact in how you made them! On a list such as PipeChat with numerous people on = both sides of the tracks, including many beginners, we need to be very careful in how we express = ourselves.   Of course you are right. I have known organists who could play anything = with almost no practice. These people have the right brain chemistry and training to back it up. = Sometimes, though, this ability can lead to absolutely flawless accuracy, but with little musical = communication. So there is reason to practice beyond simply playing something correctly.   While I have to practice large works, I can get by for most service = playing with little or no rehearsal time. For me, much of the joy that I get from my music comes in = practice sessions when nobody is around - in a pitch black nave when a chord on full organ is = released and I can seize the moment and relish the way the sound reacts in the room, etc., with a = thousand different variables. There is a completely different set of joys when playing for = others.   I didn't touch the organ for a week, nor did I have any desire to, since = Easter, until last night when I played for a wedding rehearsal. The reverberation seemed to last = forever. There wasn't anything special about the service today, and I was not totally = enthusiastic. Even after I arrived, the organ seemed out of tune, the music - trumpet voluntaries, = etc., seemed more bland than ever, but something happend as I started the 1/2 hour prelude, and it = was like a light turned on and everything worked out.   Yes, I guess we can call on those reserves when they are needed after all, = but if we are really *SERIOUS* musicians (as opposed to PROFESSIONAL - there is a difference!) = then should we not be devoting dedicated time to practicing our craft? I am the worlds worst, = but I also know what I am missing!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Peter's Episcopal Redwood City CA From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:03:59 -0700 (PDT)     Check out updated stoplist - this will be the interim specification until = the funds are raised for a solid state retrofit. > > GREAT: > > 16' Gedeckt > 8' Diapason (exposed) > 8' Hohlflote > 8' Gemshorn > 8' Gemshorn Celeste > 4' Octave (exposed) > 4' Koppelflote > 2-2/3' Nasard > 2' Fifteenth (ext 8) > IV Mixture 1-1/3' (encl) > IV Sharp (ext) > 16' Double Trumpet > 8' Trumpet > 8' Oboe > 4' Clarion > Cymbelstern > > > PEDAL: > > 32' Resultant > 16' Subbass > 16' Quintadena > 8' Octave > 8' Gedeckt > 8' Gemshorn > 4' Choralbass > 4' Koppelflote > V Mixture 2' > 16' Double Trumpet > 8' Trumpet > 4' Clarion > 4' Oboe > > SWELL: > > 8' Principal (bass from S.bass) > 8' Gedeckt > 8' Gemshorn > 8' Gemshorn Celeste > 4' Principal > 4' Rohrflote > 2-2/3' Nasard > 2' Octave > 2' Blockflote > 1-3/5' Tierce > 1-1/3' Larigot > IV Mixture 1-1/3' > 8' Trumpet > 4' Oboe > Tremolo   FANFARE: (playable on manual II only w/swell)   8' Trompeta Real (TC, copper - chamade) Chimes Cymbelstern   13 Ranks, 1972 Swain & Kates organ, 6 ranks added 2001, including new = pipes by Tommy Anderson, and vintage pipes by Aeolian, Austin, Murray Harris, and Moller.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/