PipeChat Digest #2044 - Monday, April 23, 2001
 
Re: back to Randy and Bruce... practicing
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Practice: a comparison
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Key Recovering
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Practice
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: Practice: a comparison
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
RE: Practice
  by "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk>
Re: Practice: a comparison
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked
  by "Louis Katz" <Louis.Katz@iris.tamucc.edu>
St. Thomas Church recital
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Practice
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Easter at St Domic's San Francisco
  by "Jonathan Roussos" <jroussos@san.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: back to Randy and Bruce... practicing From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:57:44 EDT     --part1_29.13caabb7.2814d808_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Wayne, You did fine expressing yourself. Often when a particular post hits too close to home another lister will take it personally, which is = unfortunate. I used to do this alot, but have learned it easier just to let it go. I found nothing objectionable in your post. If there's any double, just = toss in an insipid smiley face!!!! ;-) !!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_29.13caabb7.2814d808_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wayne, <BR>You did fine expressing yourself. &nbsp;&nbsp;Often when a particular = post hits too <BR>close to home another lister will take it personally, which is = unfortunate. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>I used to do this alot, but have learned it easier just to let it go. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I <BR>found nothing objectionable in your post. &nbsp;&nbsp;If there's any = double, just toss <BR>in an insipid smiley face!!!! &nbsp;;-) !!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.13caabb7.2814d808_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice: a comparison From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:03:32 EDT     --part1_5a.1464c692.2814d964_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/22/01 7:14:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ALamirande@aol.com writes:     > In other words: don't expect any warm greetings at St. Thomas Church, = unless > you are a celebrity, or your pockets are overflowing with cash.   I don't go to church for warm greetings. If I want warm greetings I'll = go to Hooters! I'd worship at St. Thomas in the driop of a mitre, especially I'm pretty = sure I'll be left alone during the peace (if they have it at all!!)...   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_5a.1464c692.2814d964_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/22/01 7:14:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>ALamirande@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In other words: = don't expect any warm greetings at St. Thomas Church, unless <BR>you are a celebrity, or your pockets are overflowing with = cash.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I don't go to church for warm greetings. &nbsp;&nbsp;If I want warm = greetings I'll go <BR>to Hooters! <BR>I'd worship at St. Thomas in the driop of a mitre, especially I'm = pretty sure <BR>I'll be left alone during the peace (if they have it at all!!)... <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5a.1464c692.2814d964_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Key Recovering From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:05:32 EDT   HELP- Can anyone please supply me with a name and address for the key = re-covering service in New York- I believe Syracuse or Rochester- which allegedly does =   one-day turn around service at a reasonable price. It was metioned on this =   board many moons ago. thanks and regards Dick Siegel  
(back) Subject: Practice From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:02:59 EDT   There are several dynamics present in using an organ in a church for = practice that are different from the rest of the music world. I think that a = person who wanted to practice long hours on the church piano would face the same resistance. There would be extra tuning and maintenance, the available practice time for the regular musician would be lessened, and there would = be inevitable complaints from people who have to work in the same room, = cleaning and preparing for the next event(s).   I have always tried to accommodate requests, but find that, sure as ever, = the time I have becoming available for my practice will coincide with that of = the guest(s). Having so much administration work, plus many unexpected things =   that come up, I have to really struggle to get to the Sanctuary for = practice.   The upside of guests practicing is that you can often get them to perform = at services for free or very inexpensively.   But don't fault the organist so much. The organ is a unique instrument, = one that can't be carried around. Damage can be caused by even a well-meaning =   guest, and I can't imagine anyone having any other instrument and allowing =   you to practice on it for any length of time. One disgusting aspect of = organ practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands, and you put = your fingers on gritty keys after they have left. It's worse than all the combinations being changed.   Practice organs can be had quite inexpensively, even if not of very good quality of sound. And the digital salespeople are very pleased to help = you finance an even nicer one, if your credit is good. I do a lot of = practicing at home after 10:00 p.m., with one or two stops, playing as softly as possible.   Devon Hollingsworth, in Chicago Suburb  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice: a comparison From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:12:18 EDT   Cremona writes:     >I don't go to church for warm greetings. If I want warm greetings I'll = go >to Hooters!<<     What kind of organ do they have? :-)     Running for the bomb shelters, JP  
(back) Subject: RE: Practice From: "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 03:13:05 +0100   This reminds me of an amusing occurrence that happened regularly to me during the first half of 1997 - I was in my last year of secondary school = in Dundee, Scotland, and was regularly in practising on the Harrison & = Harrison 1923 III/50 in the Caird Hall there, preparing for a music exam and a = school prize giving ceremony.   Anyway, each time I arrived at the hall, I annoyed the caretaking staff - they had to go and hunt down the always-elusive organ key. Meantime, the cleaning ladies in the hall were happy to see me and started to bombard me with requests for this and that.   Within 20 minutes, however, all was turned around. The caretakers had = found the key, and on returning to their varied work around the hall complex, would ask me to play something loud and fun that they could hear all the = way through the building. (It was a hard request to succumb to...!!) = Meanwhile, however, the cleaning ladies had discovered that even when playing ppp, = they couldn't have their shouted conversations across the hall about Auntie Jean's visit to the hospital, or what happened on TV the night before, so they would ask me to stop playing, or play very quietly. By this point, = the caretakers had come up to the organ to ask why they weren't being treated = to Sousa's Liberty Bell March played fff, etc. etc.   Eventually I gave up and ignored both requests!   Andrew   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Devon3000@aol.com Sent: 23 April 2001 03:03 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Practice     There are several dynamics present in using an organ in a church for practice that are different from the rest of the music world. I think that a = person who wanted to practice long hours on the church piano would face the same resistance. There would be extra tuning and maintenance, the available practice time for the regular musician would be lessened, and there would = be inevitable complaints from people who have to work in the same room, cleaning and preparing for the next event(s).   I have always tried to accommodate requests, but find that, sure as ever, the time I have becoming available for my practice will coincide with that of the guest(s). Having so much administration work, plus many unexpected things that come up, I have to really struggle to get to the Sanctuary for practice.     The upside of guests practicing is that you can often get them to perform = at services for free or very inexpensively.   But don't fault the organist so much. The organ is a unique instrument, = one that can't be carried around. Damage can be caused by even a well-meaning guest, and I can't imagine anyone having any other instrument and allowing you to practice on it for any length of time. One disgusting aspect of organ practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands, and you put = your fingers on gritty keys after they have left. It's worse than all the combinations being changed.   Practice organs can be had quite inexpensively, even if not of very good quality of sound. And the digital salespeople are very pleased to help = you finance an even nicer one, if your credit is good. I do a lot of = practicing at home after 10:00 p.m., with one or two stops, playing as softly as possible.   Devon Hollingsworth, in Chicago Suburb   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Practice: a comparison From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:20:23 -0400       Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > Cremona writes: > > >I don't go to church for warm greetings. If I want warm greetings = I'll go > >to Hooters!<< > > What kind of organ do they have? :-) >   I dunno, but the Strumpets en chamade were impressive. :-)   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:24:44 -0700   I arrived on Easter Day to find that our "new" Allen organ (new to us, = anyway) had been tampered with ... the power switch was on, the combination setter = lock was undone, all the pistons were erased, the transposer was on ... things = I WOULDN'T have done, particularly at the Vigil service ... I'd left the = cover open from the night before.   A mirror outside the choir room was also smashed, and the sacristy was = open. Thankfully, nothing in the Sanctuary or the sacristy was touched. I = discovered the mirror first, and had visions of Easter lilies and altar hangings = strewn all over, but they weren't. But someone DID get in SOMEHOW. Since I was the = first one there, I MIGHT have scared them away.   I called the next morning and had a working lock put on the organ. = Everybody who needs a key was given one; people are still welcome to use it (there's a = key in the church office); but from now on it stays LOCKED 24/7. It took me four = YEARS to get it; I'm not ABOUT to have it vandalized less than a month after we acquired it.   Trials and tribulations of urban churches ... at least we haven't had to = put a burglar alarm on the Tabernacle ... YET.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked From: "Louis Katz" <Louis.Katz@iris.tamucc.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:17:19 -0500   Hi Bud, I have not been in many churches, don't know what a Sachristy is, but I = did read a sign once in Ann Arbor. "We forgive those who trespass against us. We also tow them." My take is that a buglar alarm for off hours seems fine, just as it serves = to have a lock on the organ. Louis Katz   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I arrived on Easter Day to find that our "new" Allen organ (new to us, = anyway) > had been tampered with ...    
(back) Subject: St. Thomas Church recital From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:25:13 EDT     --part1_27.145f3bc3.2814fa99_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I went to St. Thomas Episcopal Church on fashionable 5th Avenue in New = York this afternoon, expecting to hear our colleague Scott Foppiano. Alas, it transpired that Scott is seriously ill. And so was unable to = appear. Those who believe in prayer will want to pray for his speedy recovery. Those who don't will just have to hope that he gets better.   On short notice, Stephen Tharp performed the recital. He was formerly assistant organist at St. Patrick's Cathedral, and is now assistant = organist at St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church on Park Avenue --- right next door = to the ultra-swank Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. (Quite a switch, it would seem to = me.)   Mr. Tharp performed the Mendelsohn 2nd Sonata, and five excerpts from Messiaen's last (1984) organ work: Livre du Saint Sacrement.   The Mendelsohn was well performed. As to the Messiaen: I heard this performed a year ago by Olivier Latry at St. Ignatius Loyola Church in New =   York, so it was not entirely unfamiliar. My reaction? I am interested to =   hear it. But not interested enough to learn it. All those bird calls! = (In Nature: bird "songs" are for the purpose either of (1) establishing/maintaining territory, or (2) mating.) Aside from the bird calls, the music is largely static --- a precursor, actually, of the "minimalism" of such later composers as Philip Glass and John Adams.   The organ --- which has undergone several transformations in its checkered =   history --- sounded well, although it is still buried in facing chambers, which impedes its projection into the main body of the church. The acoustics: still only less than 2 seconds of reverberation. Not, I'm = sure, what Messiaen had in mind when he composed the music.   I congratulate Mr. Tharp on a convincing presentation of the music.   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_27.145f3bc3.2814fa99_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I went to St. Thomas = Episcopal Church on fashionable 5th Avenue in New York <BR>this afternoon, expecting to hear our colleague Scott Foppiano. <BR>Alas, it transpired that Scott is seriously ill. &nbsp;And so was = unable to appear. <BR>Those who believe in prayer will want to pray for his speedy recovery. <BR>Those who don't will just have to hope that he gets better. <BR> <BR>On short notice, Stephen Tharp performed the recital. &nbsp;He was = formerly <BR>assistant organist at St. Patrick's Cathedral, and is now assistant = organist <BR>at St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church on Park Avenue --- right next = door to <BR>the ultra-swank Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. &nbsp;(Quite a switch, it would = seem to me.) <BR> <BR>Mr. Tharp performed the Mendelsohn 2nd Sonata, and five excerpts from <BR>Messiaen's last (1984) organ work: Livre du Saint Sacrement. <BR> <BR>The Mendelsohn was well performed. &nbsp;As to the Messiaen: &nbsp;I = heard this <BR>performed a year ago by Olivier Latry at St. Ignatius Loyola Church in = New <BR>York, so it was not entirely unfamiliar. &nbsp;My reaction? &nbsp;I am = interested to <BR>hear it. &nbsp;But not interested enough to learn it. &nbsp;All those = bird calls! &nbsp;(In <BR>Nature: &nbsp;bird "songs" are for the purpose either of (1) <BR>establishing/maintaining territory, or (2) mating.) &nbsp;Aside from = the bird <BR>calls, the music is largely static --- a precursor, actually, of the <BR>"minimalism" of such later composers as Philip Glass and John Adams. <BR> <BR>The organ --- which has undergone several transformations in its = checkered <BR>history --- sounded well, although it is still buried in facing = chambers, <BR>which impedes its projection into the main body of the church. = &nbsp;The <BR>acoustics: still only less than 2 seconds of reverberation. &nbsp;Not, = I'm sure, <BR>what Messiaen had in mind when he composed the music. <BR> <BR>I congratulate Mr. Tharp on a convincing presentation of the music. <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_27.145f3bc3.2814fa99_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:59:58 EDT     --part1_b6.14742e39.281502be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > One disgusting aspect of organ > practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands   My personal pet peeve is when I play the organ after some person that had used hand lotion.   Neil B. Barnegat, NJ USA   --part1_b6.14742e39.281502be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One disgusting = aspect of organ <BR>practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>My personal pet peeve is when I play the organ after some person that = had <BR>used hand lotion. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B. <BR>Barnegat, NJ USA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b6.14742e39.281502be_boundary--  
(back) Subject: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly? From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:17:50 EDT     --part1_1e.14a68a37.281506ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > In a message dated 4/22/01 7:14:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ALamirande@aol.com writes: > > > >> In other words: don't expect any warm greetings at St. Thomas Church, =   >> unless >> you are a celebrity, or your pockets are overflowing with cash. >   St. Thomas' is a big and busy church, and while the rule is a packed = church on Sunday morning, I think the fact that there is always a quite good = crowd for Evensong says even more about this congregation's devotion to worship. =   It's hard for a big place to put on a friendly face, but I think part of = what one feels can well be a projection of what one expects, and that = expectation can be wrong. I can't imagine anyone finding the place unfriendly. I am = not a celebrity, and I certainly don't look like my pockets are overflowing with =   cash, but somehow, when I walk in, if the rector is in the narthex as he often is, greeting people, I receive what appears for all the world to be = a friendly greeting. I am handed a leaflet with a smile, I walk into a pew, = and the people who are already there say hello cheerfully enough. The only = person I really know there is Gerre, somewhat, and he is a warm and wonderful = man, in addition to being a great practicioner of the organist's art. Another dimension of my experience with this place concerns a number of occasions = in which friends from far away, in and out of the country, have inquired of = me about getting in to see the new-ish Taylor and Boody organ on the west gallery. The invariably friendly people in the St. Thomas' music office = have made sure that we were met and escorted up to the loft, and offered = whatever time we wanted to play, this generally after one of the weekday Evensongs, =   when people are leaving and the building is being closed up.   It is unfortunate that anyone would find this place unfriendly, but I do believe meeting people half way with a smile can make a great difference. Honestly, I don't know any unfriendly churches, although I suppose they = might exist somewhere.   Malcolm Wechsler Cheerful in CT     --part1_1e.14a68a37.281506ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated = 4/22/01 7:14:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>ALamirande@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In other words: = don't expect any warm greetings at St. Thomas Church, <BR>unless <BR>you are a celebrity, or your pockets are overflowing with = cash.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>St. Thomas' is a big and busy church, and while the rule is a packed = church <BR>on Sunday morning, I think the fact that there is always a quite good = crowd <BR>for Evensong says even more about this congregation's devotion to = worship. <BR>It's hard for a big place to put on a friendly face, but I think part = of what <BR>one feels can well be a projection of what one expects, and that = expectation <BR>can be wrong. I can't imagine anyone finding the place unfriendly. I = am not a <BR>celebrity, and I certainly don't look like my pockets are overflowing = with <BR>cash, but somehow, when I walk in, if the rector is in the narthex as = he <BR>often is, greeting people, I receive what appears for all the world to = be a <BR>friendly greeting. I am handed a leaflet with a smile, I walk into a = pew, and <BR>the people who are already there say hello cheerfully enough. The only = person <BR>I really know there is Gerre, somewhat, and he is a warm and wonderful man, <BR>in addition to being a great practicioner of the organist's art. = Another <BR>dimension of my experience with this place concerns a number of = occasions in <BR>which friends from far away, in and out of the country, have inquired = of me <BR>about getting in to see the new-ish Taylor and Boody organ on the west =   <BR>gallery. The invariably friendly people in the St. Thomas' music = office have <BR>made sure that we were met and escorted up to the loft, and offered = whatever <BR>time we wanted to play, this generally after one of the weekday = Evensongs, <BR>when people are leaving and the building is being closed up. <BR> <BR>It is unfortunate that anyone would find this place unfriendly, but I = do <BR>believe meeting people half way with a smile can make a great = difference. <BR>Honestly, I don't know any unfriendly churches, although I suppose = they might <BR>exist somewhere. <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR>Cheerful in CT <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e.14a68a37.281506ee_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:21:34 EDT     --part1_7a.13dc6a87.281507ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Some of the 'friendliest' congregations I've experienced have been in Manhattan.   But I do think all churches should do better about greeting people, especially newcomers.   Neil B   --part1_7a.13dc6a87.281507ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Some of the = 'friendliest' congregations I've experienced have been in <BR>Manhattan. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>But I do think all churches should do better about greeting people, <BR>especially newcomers. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7a.13dc6a87.281507ce_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly? From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:52:49 -0500     I have always found St. Thomas' friendly place to worship... my 20 years in NYC gave me frequent days.... both morning and Evensong..... it is a CORNERSTONE of what a church should be.....   Sand      
(back) Subject: Easter at St Domic's San Francisco From: "Jonathan Roussos" <jroussos@san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:42:32 -0700   Hello List, A while back I requested advise about services in San Francisco for = Easter.   My hope had been to go to at least parts of several services. After a = later start than I had planned, I went to St. Igtatius on the campus for the University of San Francisco. This is a very large beautiful church but at the first sound of a guitar I was out of there.   My target church was St Domic which turned out to be a wonderful choice. This is a large gothic structure with saints behind the altar etc. This place feels like a church.   The organ they are using is an Eben tracker colocated with the choir which is very nice for choral accompaniment. The Mass was the Mozart Missa Trinite which was done with trumpet and string quintet.   For the hymns, the organ was almost inaudible from about 40 ft away. This is a Catholic church where they sing like Lutherans.   The church also has a large instrument built in 1929, I don't remember the builder. At this point it is unplayable but they have just started the process of having it rebuilt. I'm sure it will be well used when it is available again.   Thanks for all the suggestions Jon Roussos