PipeChat Digest #2045 - Monday, April 23, 2001
 
Re: Practice
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Practice: a comparison
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Practice From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:17:26 EDT     --part1_ad.9c0fa97.28153f16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/22/01 7:03:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Devon3000@aol.com writes:   > There are several dynamics present in using an organ in a church for > practice > that are different from the rest of the music world. I think that a = person > who wanted to practice long hours on the church piano would face the = same > resistance. There would be extra tuning and maintenance, the available > practice time for the regular musician would be lessened, and there = would > be > inevitable complaints from people who have to work in the same room, > cleaning > and preparing for the next event(s).   I disagree about the extra tuning and maintenance on an instrument that is =   used for alot of practice, unless its used more than eight or ten hours a day, especially a piano. I see no reason for people working (cleaning = etc) in the same room to complain unless the person is practicing on full organ =   (or loudly on the piano), in which case the person is not really = practicing. The time for the regular musician should not be lessened, as it should be =   understood that the parish musician has precidence. That is a rule I have =   always obeyed as a guest, but have seldom been able to enforce as an incumbent.   > But don't fault the organist so much. The organ is a unique instrument, = one > that can't be carried around. Damage can be caused by even a = well-meaning > guest, and I can't imagine anyone having any other instrument and = allowing > you to practice on it for any length of time. One disgusting aspect of > organ > practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands, and you put = your > fingers on gritty keys after they have left. It's worse than all the > combinations being changed. > It is unrealistic to compare the organ to other instruments. Certainly no =   one would loan their clarinet for someone else to practice on! What = damage can be caused to an organ by a well-meaning guest? It really takes = effort to damage an organ from the console. Even organists have sweaty = hands, and the keys need to be cleaned anyway. This is one of the reasons I like =   wooden keys!     > Practice organs can be had quite inexpensively, even if not of very good =   > Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooot reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally!!!! I hardly consider a appliance a practice instrument, especially one that = fall into the category of "inexpensive". Inexpensive for most organs would be =   tantamount to finding a practice organ at Toys-R-Us or K-Mart.   It's time for organists (and other church musicians) to get off of their = high horses and realize that pipe organs need to be used. And people who use these organs for practice need to PRACTICE and not just go in, hit the = Tutti button and show-off for two hours.   ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ad.9c0fa97.28153f16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/22/01 7:03:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>Devon3000@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There are several = dynamics present in using an organ in a church for <BR>practice <BR>that are different from the rest of the music world. &nbsp;I think = that a person <BR>who wanted to practice long hours on the church piano would face the = same <BR>resistance. &nbsp;There would be extra tuning and maintenance, the = available <BR>practice time for the regular musician would be lessened, and there = would <BR>be <BR>inevitable complaints from people who have to work in the same room, <BR>cleaning <BR>and preparing for the next event(s).</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I disagree about the extra tuning and maintenance on an instrument = that is <BR>used for alot of practice, unless its used more than eight or ten = hours a <BR>day, especially a piano. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I see no reason for people = working (cleaning etc) <BR>in the same room to complain unless the person is practicing on full = organ <BR>(or loudly on the piano), in which case the person is not really = practicing. &nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;The time for the regular musician should not be lessened, as it = should be <BR>understood that the parish musician has precidence. &nbsp;That is a = rule I have <BR>always obeyed as a guest, but have seldom been able to enforce as an <BR>incumbent. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But don't fault = the organist so much. &nbsp;The organ is a unique instrument, one <BR>that can't be carried around. &nbsp;Damage can be caused by even a = well-meaning <BR>guest, and I can't imagine anyone having any other instrument and = allowing <BR>you to practice on it for any length of time. &nbsp;One disgusting = aspect of <BR>organ <BR>practice is the occasion when the person has sweaty hands, and you put = your <BR>fingers on gritty keys after they have left. &nbsp;It's worse than all = the <BR>combinations being changed. &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>It is unrealistic to compare the organ to other instruments. = &nbsp;Certainly no <BR>one would loan their clarinet for someone else to practice on! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What damage <BR>can be caused to an organ by a well-meaning guest? &nbsp;&nbsp;It = really takes effort <BR>to damage an organ from the console. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Even organists have sweaty hands, <BR>and the keys need to be cleaned anyway. &nbsp;This is one of the = reasons I like <BR>wooden keys! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Practice organs can be had quite inexpensively, even if not of very = good <BR>quality of sound. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooot reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I <BR>hardly consider a appliance a practice instrument, especially one that = fall <BR>into the category of "inexpensive". &nbsp;&nbsp;Inexpensive for most = organs would be <BR>tantamount to finding a practice organ at Toys-R-Us or K-Mart. <BR> <BR>It's time for organists (and other church musicians) to get off of = their high <BR>horses and realize that pipe organs need to be used. &nbsp;And people = who use <BR>these organs for practice need to PRACTICE and not just go in, hit the = Tutti <BR>button and show-off for two hours. <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.9c0fa97.28153f16_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice: a comparison From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:18:29 EDT     --part1_78.13c0d764.28153f55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/22/01 7:12:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:     > What kind of organ do they have? :-) > Need you ask!!! ;-) Silly boob!! heeheehee   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_78.13c0d764.28153f55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/22/01 7:12:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What kind of organ = do they have? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:-) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Need you ask!!! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;Silly = boob!! &nbsp;&nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_78.13c0d764.28153f55_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:23:57 EDT     --part1_d9.134cb175.2815409d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/22/01 7:20:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I called the next morning and had a working lock put on the organ. = Everybody > who > needs a key was given one; people are still welcome to use it (there's a =   > key in > the church office); but from now on it stays LOCKED 24/7. It took me = four > YEARS > to get it; I'm not ABOUT to have it vandalized less than a month after = we > acquired it. > >   Poor Bud.... I think you're over-reacting. Had the console been locked you might = have been greeted with a smashed lid or pried open lock. Are you going to = put a lock-box over the mirror that was smashed? What demented intruder, = though, to cancel your pistons! Do you know where the secretary was during the night??? ;-)   Seems like with all of this computer technology, that piston combinations should be able to be stored in some way that they can be retrieved... a floppy disc maybe?   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d9.134cb175.2815409d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/22/01 7:20:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I called the next = morning and had a working lock put on the organ. Everybody <BR>who <BR>needs a key was given one; people are still welcome to use it (there's = a <BR>key in <BR>the church office); but from now on it stays LOCKED 24/7. It took me = four <BR>YEARS <BR>to get it; I'm not ABOUT to have it vandalized less than a month after = we <BR>acquired it. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Poor Bud.... &nbsp; <BR>I think you're over-reacting. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Had the console been = locked you might have <BR>been greeted with a smashed lid or pried open lock. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you going to put a <BR>lock-box over the mirror that was smashed? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What = demented intruder, though, <BR>to cancel your pistons! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you know where the = secretary was during the <BR>night??? &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Seems like with all of this computer technology, that piston = combinations <BR>should be able to be stored in some way that they can be retrieved... = a <BR>floppy disc maybe? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d9.134cb175.2815409d_boundary--