PipeChat Digest #2048 - Monday, April 23, 2001
 
Re: the gallery organs at St. Thomas NYC, and a Smoky Mary's question
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
security of the Blessed Sacrament (off-topic)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: unfriendly churches
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Glorious sounds, swiveling heads, etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
piles of papers (slightly off-topic)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: piles of papers (slightly off-topic)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: early computer combo-systems
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: the gallery organs at St. Thomas NYC, and a Smoky Mary's question From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:07:40 EDT   Back in the mid-late 60s there were often visiting choirs at Evensong, = with the St. Thomas Choir singing the service from the rear gallery, = accompanied by the antiphonal organ played from the chancel console. I = always marveled at the timing, especially acccompanying the psalms.   I was also present at Marie-Claire Alain's opening recital on the Adams = organ; it was plagued by ciphers and other mechanical problems. There were = interesting stories about the source of much of the pipework and some of = the vagaries of the mechanical innards. At least the case was quite = impressive.   The Taylor Boody is quite a sight to behold -- and a very lovely sight to = my aging eyes.   And I might add that I have always received a gracious welcome from the = clergy and musicians on the occasions when I have been there, most = recently during the St. Paul's Cathedral choir's visit last June. On that = Sunday morning the sound was not drowned by the subway but by the staging = of the Gay Pride parade on 53rd St. The St. Paul's choristers looked = amazed to hear all sorts of strange loud sounds and heavily amplified rock = music during the quieter moments of the service.  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:17:27 -0400   > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked > > Trials and tribulations of urban churches ... at least we haven't had to = put a > burglar alarm on the Tabernacle ... YET. > Not so far, anyway. I recall from 45 years ago that the black = wrought-iron chancel screen (full height, or nearly so) at Saint Mary of the Angels in ?Hollywood had a big padlock on the door. The problem there was people stealing consecrated hosts for black masses.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly? From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:36:37 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3070881397_15758045_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: ManderUSA@aol.com Subject: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?   The only person I really know there is Gerre, somewhat, and he is a warm = and wonderful man, in addition to being a great practicioner of the organist's art. Another dimension of my experience with this place concerns a number = of occasions in which friends from far away, in and out of the country, have inquired of me about getting in to see the new-ish Taylor and Boody organ = on the west gallery. The invariably friendly people in the St. Thomas' music office have made sure that we were met and escorted up to the loft, and offered whatever time we wanted to play, . . . .   Alan responds:   I've had exactly the same experience with him. I called a day or two in advance, took along a competent organist and a very good teen student from Denmark, and he escorted us personally to the gallery, gave us a decent intro to the T&B, and simply turned it over to us for an hour. Could certainly not ask for more.   Alan   --MS_Mac_OE_3070881397_15758045_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>ManderUSA@aol.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>St. Thomas' Fifth Avenue - unfriendly?<BR> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D3D"4">The only person I really know there is Gerre, somewhat, = and =3D he is a warm and wonderful man, in addition to being a great practicioner = of=3D the organist's art. Another dimension of my experience with this place = conc=3D erns a number of occasions in which friends from far away, in and out of = the=3D country, have inquired of me about getting in to see the new-ish Taylor = and=3D Boody organ on the west gallery. The invariably friendly people in the = St. =3D Thomas' music office have made sure that we were met and escorted up to = the =3D loft, and offered whatever time we wanted to play, . . . .<BR> <BR> Alan responds:<BR> <BR> I've had exactly the same experience with him. &nbsp;I called a day or two = =3D in advance, took along a competent organist and a very good teen student = fro=3D m Denmark, and he escorted us personally to the gallery, gave us a decent = in=3D tro to the T&amp;B, and simply turned it over to us for an hour. = &nbsp;Could=3D certainly not ask for more.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3070881397_15758045_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: security of the Blessed Sacrament (off-topic) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:40:56 -0700   The screen is gone at St. Mary of the Angels, but as I recall the = Tabernacle is now a VERY secure safe set into solid marble in the east wall. Plus, I think = they now keep the church locked except in service-time.   We had the same problem in Cincinnati, with consecrated Hosts being stolen = for voodoo ceremonies.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > > Subject: Re: Practice, and keeping the organ locked > > > > Trials and tribulations of urban churches ... at least we haven't had = to put a > > burglar alarm on the Tabernacle ... YET. > > > Not so far, anyway. I recall from 45 years ago that the black = wrought-iron > chancel screen (full height, or nearly so) at Saint Mary of the Angels = in > ?Hollywood had a big padlock on the door. The problem there was people > stealing consecrated hosts for black masses. > > Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: unfriendly churches From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:45:34 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3070881934_15790374_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: ALamirande@aol.com Subject: unfriendly churches   Unfriendly churches? Try getting into a Mormon temple --- if you're not a Mormon!   About like getting into Mecca, if you're not a Muslim!       Well, yes, Arthur. But it's not really comparable. I can't imagine = MYself defending the Mormons, but their temples are not houses of worship. Even Mormons don't go there for corporate worship purposes. Just not the same thing.   Alan         --MS_Mac_OE_3070881934_15790374_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: unfriendly churches</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>ALamirande@aol.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>unfriendly churches<BR> <BR> Unfriendly churches? &nbsp;Try getting into a Mormon temple --- if you're = n=3D ot a <BR> Mormon! <BR> <BR> About like getting into Mecca, if you're not a Muslim! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Well, yes, Arthur. &nbsp;But it's not really comparable. &nbsp;I can't = imag=3D ine MYself defending the Mormons, but their temples are not houses of = worshi=3D p. &nbsp;Even Mormons don't go there for corporate worship purposes. = &nbsp;J=3D ust not the same thing. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3070881934_15790374_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:52:52 EDT     --part1_93.9bea2f9.2815d404_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/23/01 9:44:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Does ANYBODY in an Anglican church REALLY balance the two = responsibilities?   I did discover in my past positions that there are things I did as a = director that were not necessary, and could easily be either delegated or skipped. = It's a matter of setting up priorities. I realize Bud's situation is unique, but I think now with the availability of copying machines that far =   too much is copied for choir use.   We do not carry hymnals. Our hymns and canticles are copied onto a recyclable sheet, that's thirty-five to seventy sheets of paper each week, =   not to mention the amount of time it takes to do this. I think wiser use =   would be purchase Hymnbooks for the choir and maybe print only canticles, psalms and texts to processional hymns. It would require less time and paper. Even with psalms and canticles, a seasonal booklet could be = prepared and save time and paper.   About fifteen years ago, I decided that my organ practice was going to be =   first or equal to everything else. It has been difficult at times, but I have managed, and nothing has suffered.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_93.9bea2f9.2815d404_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/23/01 9:44:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does ANYBODY in an = Anglican church REALLY balance the two responsibilities? </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I did discover in my past positions that there are things I did as a = director <BR>that were not necessary, and could easily be either delegated or = skipped. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>It's a matter of setting up priorities. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I realize = Bud's situation is <BR>unique, but I think now with the availability of copying machines that = far <BR>too much is copied for choir use. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>We do not carry hymnals. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Our hymns and canticles are = copied onto a <BR>recyclable sheet, that's thirty-five to seventy sheets of paper each = week, <BR>not to mention the amount of time it takes to do this. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = think wiser use <BR>would be purchase Hymnbooks for the choir and maybe print only = canticles, <BR>psalms and texts to processional hymns. &nbsp;It would require less = time and <BR>paper. &nbsp;Even with psalms and canticles, a seasonal booklet could = be prepared <BR>and save time and paper. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>About fifteen years ago, I decided that &nbsp;my organ practice was = going to be <BR>first or equal to everything else. &nbsp;It has been difficult at = times, but I <BR>have managed, and nothing has suffered. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_93.9bea2f9.2815d404_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Glorious sounds, swiveling heads, etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:07:16 EDT     --part1_a6.13038240.2815d764_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/23/01 10:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ALamirande@aol.com writes:     > If I want to hear glorious sounds coming from both front and rear, I'll = go > to > l'Oratoire St. Joseph in Montreal, where there is a glorious choir in = the > front (behind the high altar) and a glorious organ in the back (in the > "tribune").   Sheesh. That reminds me of my Mormon days when I tried to get the bishop = to replace the Allen with a pipe organ. He said, "we have a wonderful pipe =   organ in Salt Lake City." DAH! L'Oratoire having stereo resources =   doesn't help St. Thomas Church much, now does it. Why would you begrudge =   them this if they can afford it and want it?     > One can also have this experience at Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris; and = other > French cathedrals. > And..... I repeat.... how does this help St. Thomas Church?     > As for the Gilbert Adams gallery organ (late 1960s) in St. Thomas = Church, > New > York: my understanding is that it was intended to be French baroque in > character. ... The brand-new organ apparently had mechanical problems = even > on that opening night, which became only worse as time went on. >   Hence, its replacement. Wasn't Adams a "trusted" curator of the St. = Thomas main organ? Better to replace a poorly built organ than throw good money after bad.     > I wouldn't know what St. Thomas Church spends on the poor, though I tend = to > suspect that they probably spend more on the rent for the rector's posh > Park > Avenue apartment! I do know that they've spent huge sums of money on > unnecessary luxuries: endless rebuilds of the main organ, two rear = gallery > organs in succession, etc. Plus trying (not very successfully) to undo = the > chemical damage inflicted on the walls when the church was first built = --- > back when the spoken word was considered king. There are lots of other > churches in New York City with fine organs and even distinguished = organs, > which they are unable to maintain or restore --- not having a tiny = fraction > of St. Thomas's financial resources. To me, it just doesn't seem fair, > somehow. > Oh dear! Life is not fair. For a long time I have advocated large, = rich churches helping out the little poor ones by donating pipes organs for = them, rather than having huge and/or multiple organs for themselves. No one agrees, apparently. However, I feel that the parishioners must want this =   enough to support it. Some churches in NYC refuse to take care of their =   fine organs despite adequate funds. This isn't fair either. I hardly = think that St. Thomas' efforts to maintain their buildings is a waste of money, even if what they tried didn't work.   I really think you're being a bit hard on this parish for a not so obvious =   reason.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_a6.13038240.2815d764_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/23/01 10:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>ALamirande@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If I want to hear = glorious sounds coming from both front and rear, I'll go <BR>to <BR>l'Oratoire St. Joseph in Montreal, where there is a glorious choir in = the <BR>front (behind the high altar) and a glorious organ in the back (in the =   <BR>"tribune"). </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">Sheesh. &nbsp;That reminds me of my Mormon days = when I tried to get the bishop to <BR>replace the Allen with a pipe organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He said, "we = have a wonderful pipe <BR>organ in Salt Lake City." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DAH! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;L'Oratoire having stereo resources <BR>doesn't help St. Thomas Church much, now does it. &nbsp;&nbsp;Why = would you begrudge <BR>them this if they can afford it and want it? <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One can also have = this experience at Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris; and other <BR>French cathedrals. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>And..... &nbsp;I repeat.... how does this help St. Thomas Church? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">As for the Gilbert Adams gallery organ (late 1960s) in St. Thomas = Church, <BR>New <BR>York: &nbsp;my understanding is that it was intended to be French = baroque in <BR>character. ... &nbsp;The brand-new organ apparently had mechanical = problems even <BR>on that opening night, which became only worse as time went on. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">Hence, its replacement. &nbsp;&nbsp;Wasn't Adams = a "trusted" curator of the St. Thomas <BR>main organ? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Better to replace a = poorly built organ than throw good <BR>money after bad. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I wouldn't know what St. Thomas Church spends on the poor, though I = tend to <BR>suspect that they probably spend more on the rent for the rector's = posh <BR>Park <BR>Avenue apartment! &nbsp;I do know that they've spent huge sums of = money on <BR>unnecessary luxuries: endless rebuilds of the main organ, two rear = gallery <BR>organs in succession, etc. &nbsp;Plus trying (not very successfully) = to undo the <BR>chemical damage inflicted on the walls when the church was first built = --- <BR>back when the spoken word was considered king. &nbsp;There are lots of = other <BR>churches in New York City with fine organs and even distinguished = organs, <BR>which they are unable to maintain or restore --- not having a tiny = fraction <BR>of St. Thomas's financial resources. &nbsp;To me, it just doesn't seem = fair, <BR>somehow. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Oh dear! &nbsp;&nbsp;Life is not fair. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For a long = time I have advocated large, rich <BR>churches helping out the little poor ones by donating pipes organs for = them, <BR>rather than having huge and/or multiple organs for themselves. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No one <BR>agrees, apparently. &nbsp;&nbsp;However, I feel that the parishioners = must want this <BR>enough to support it. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some churches in NYC refuse to = take care of their <BR>fine organs despite adequate funds. &nbsp;This isn't fair either. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I hardly think <BR>that St. Thomas' efforts to maintain their buildings is a waste of = money, <BR>even if what they tried didn't work. <BR> <BR>I really think you're being a bit hard on this parish for a not so = obvious <BR>reason. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a6.13038240.2815d764_boundary--  
(back) Subject: piles of papers (slightly off-topic) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:51:33 -0700   One thing that's often overlooked in any discussion of what I do at St. Matthew's is that I compose or arrange the vast majority of what the choir sings week by week ... the Propers, English editions of Latin motets that aren't otherwise available, transcriptions of Gregorian Ordinaries for choir and congregation with exact indications as to who is to sing what, texts and tunes of hymns that aren't in the 1940, etc. etc. etc.   Up until recently, the choir had great black two-inch loose-leaf choirbooks with everything in them ... they got so heavy I had to buy them music stands to hold them (grin). Now, after four years, we've developed a sufficiently stable repertoire of Propers that I take them out of the choirbooks after a season and bind them into permanent books .... after I've done that for a year, we will have a five or six-volume set of Proper books for each choir member ... and the big black notebooks will finally go away.   We DO carry hymnals in procession, and if the hymn ISN'T in the hymnal, the choir simply puts the congregational insert in the middle of the hymnal and carries them anyway.   Since I'm fairly fluent in Sibelius, and I have the leisure to do it, I'm basically of the opinion that it's better for me to spend an hour writing something out IN FULL than to waste rehearsal time trying to explain to the choir how to do something from hard-to-read pointing or an edition that doesn't have things the way I want them. For instance, Good Friday has gone ever so much better since I discarded the Burgess books and wrote EVERYTHING out, verse by verse, with the repeats and refrains in place each time.   As a result, we cover a LOT more service music in relatively little time .... we basically had only two rehearsals on each of the Holy Week liturgies this year, now that they're all printed out, where in former years it took ENDLESS rehearsals to get everything right.   Unfortunately, I don't have the SECRETARIAL help to do those things that I DON'T need to be doing, like printing and binding.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: piles of papers (slightly off-topic) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:01:41 -0400   At 12:51 23/04/2001 -0700, Bud wrote: > I compose or arrange the vast majority of what the >choir sings week by week ... the Propers, English editions of Latin >motets that aren't otherwise available, transcriptions of Gregorian >Ordinaries for choir and congregation with exact indications as to who >is to sing what, texts and tunes of hymns that aren't in the 1940, etc. >etc. etc. > My question for Bud is how many hours are you being paid for each week to do this time consuming work?   HD      
(back) Subject: Re: early computer combo-systems From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:33 EDT     --part1_14.1303f356.2815e369_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/23/2001 1:10:59 PM Central Daylight Time, Arthur La Mirande writes:     > For these organs, Mr. Noehren invented a computerized system, whereby = the > organist could punch his chosen combinations onto a computerized card. & > nbsp;That > computer card would then carry a permanent record of the combinations. & > nbsp; > Which, I presume, could be re-activated by punching the card into the > appropriate slot in the organ console. > > For some reason, this invention does not seem to have been adopted by = other > organ companies. &nbsp;Whether that is because Noehren holds the patent, = or > for > some other reason, I don't know. &nbsp;But it certainly sounds like a = good > idea to >   In the above quote replace the word <could> with the word <must> and you = will have the key to why this early computer system was abandoned. It seemed = like a good idea at the time, but proved far too awkward in comparison to other =   systems, and an enigma to guest organists. The Noeren system was replaced = by a more user-friendly standard computer system a few years ago.   MEANWHILE BACK AT RUMOR CENTRAL - I heard a shocking rumor yesterday that = the Archbishop, Rembery Weakland has proposed removing the aforementiond = Noeren organ in his efforts to remodel the Cathedral Church of St. John in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I have no reason to believe this shocking tale - the =   Archbishop has been supportive of church music in the past and is himself = an acomplished musician - except the the source is usually trustworthy. IMHO, =   removal of this large Noeren masterpice from this splendid acoustical = setting would be a travesty. Is there anyone out there who can confirm or deny = this rumor. PLEASE NOTE - THIS IS, SO FAR, JUST A RUMOR - LETS CONFIRM IT = BEFORE WE START BURNING PEOPLE AT THE STAKE.   Larry L. Wheelock Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55       --part1_14.1303f356.2815e369_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/23/2001 1:10:59 PM = Central Daylight Time, Arthur La <BR>Mirande writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For these organs, = Mr. Noehren invented a computerized system, whereby the <BR>organist could punch his chosen combinations onto a computerized card. = &amp; <BR>nbsp;That <BR>computer card would then carry a permanent record of the combinations. = &amp; <BR>nbsp; <BR>Which, I presume, could be re-activated by punching the card into the <BR>appropriate slot in the organ console. <BR> <BR>For some reason, this invention does not seem to have been adopted by = other <BR>organ companies. &amp;nbsp;Whether that is because Noehren holds the = patent, or <BR>for <BR>some other reason, I don't know. &amp;nbsp;But it certainly sounds = like a good <BR>idea to <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>In the above quote replace the word &lt;could&gt; with the word = &lt;must&gt; and you will <BR>have the key to why this early computer system was abandoned. It = seemed like <BR>a good idea at the time, but proved far too awkward in comparison to = other <BR>systems, and an enigma to guest organists. The Noeren system was = replaced by <BR>a more user-friendly standard computer system a few years ago. <BR> <BR>MEANWHILE BACK AT RUMOR CENTRAL - I heard a shocking rumor yesterday = that the <BR>Archbishop, Rembery Weakland has proposed removing the aforementiond = Noeren <BR>organ in his efforts to remodel the Cathedral Church of St. John in <BR>Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I have no reason to believe this shocking tale - the <BR>Archbishop has been supportive of church music in the past and is = himself an <BR>acomplished musician - except the the source is usually trustworthy. = IMHO, <BR>removal of this large Noeren masterpice from this splendid acoustical = setting <BR>would be a travesty. Is there anyone out there who can confirm or deny = this <BR>rumor. PLEASE NOTE - THIS IS, SO FAR, JUST A RUMOR - LETS CONFIRM IT = BEFORE <BR>WE START BURNING PEOPLE AT THE STAKE. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">Larry L. Wheelock <BR>Organist <BR>Conductor <BR>Composer <BR>Kenwood United Methodist Church <BR>Milwaukee, WI <BR>Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_14.1303f356.2815e369_boundary--