PipeChat Digest #2054 - Wednesday, April 25, 2001
 
Re: Please Read Regarding Arthur LaMirande
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
FELIX HELL in Arkansas
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice...
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Program help needed!!
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
fresh air
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Need Help Finding CD's,Tapes
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
1812 Overture -- arranged for organ and brass?
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Arthur
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Good Old Fashioned May Processions with Organs and Choirs
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Establishing Boundaries
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: fresh air
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: fresh air
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Establishing Boundaries
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Please Read Regarding Arthur LaMirande From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:19:33 EDT     --part1_55.149df797.28177215_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/24/01 4:07:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rbrown7@bigpond.net.au writes:     > From where I sit (down under) I don't think you guys can see the wood = for > the trees. The guy just likes to bait you all occasionally (or even = often). > Why not just ignore the bait - he has, even recently, has some extremely > useful and interesting things to say. > >   Thank you, Roger. I would really like to see Arthur reinstated to the = list. Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_55.149df797.28177215_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/24/01 4:07:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>rbrown7@bigpond.net.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">From where I sit = (down under) I don't think you guys can see the wood for <BR>the trees. The guy just likes to bait you all occasionally (or even = often). <BR>Why not just ignore the bait - he has, even recently, has some = extremely <BR>useful and interesting things to say. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Thank you, Roger. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would really like to see Arthur = reinstated to the list. <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_55.149df797.28177215_boundary--  
(back) Subject: FELIX HELL in Arkansas From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:22:13 -0500   Since I posted the help request for putting together the program I should also make the announcement about his upcoming recitals here in Arkansas.   FRIDAY, April 27, 2001 - 7:30 PM, Felix will play the following program at Christ Church on the 1990 Nichols & Simpson Organ (http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com/prod01.htm)   JSBach: - Prelude and Fugue E Minor (The "Wedge"), BWV 548 ;Choral Prelude "O Mensch bewein dein Suende gross", BWV 622 ; Toccata F Major, BWV 540; "Schmuecke dich o liebe Seele" (Leipzig Choral), BWV 654 ; Toccata, Adagio and Fugue C Major, BWV 564   INTERMISSION   Felix Mendelssohn - Sonata No. 1, f minor, op.65 Norbert Schneider - Toccata for organ "Brother of Sleep" Franz Liszt -Prelude and Fugue on B-A-C-H C.M.Widor - Symphony No. 5 - Adagio and Toccata   I know that a couple of list members from out of the Little Rock area will be attending this concert and we invite anyone else that might be able to make the trip to join us for this wonderful event.   Felix will also be playing a concert next Tuesday night (May 1st) at St. Benedict Abbey Church, Subiaco, AR. For those that are in the Northwest Arkansas area and can't make the trip into Little Rock on Friday this is another chance to hear this talented young musician. I don't have the time of the concert or his program available to me but hopefully someone from Subiaco Academy will post it to the list. The organ is a WICKS that has had a new console supplied by Nichols and Simpson along with some tonal renovations.   Tim and I will be at both events so if anyone from the list does attend please find us and introduce yourself to us.   I hope to see some of you at one or the other of these concerts.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Professional Musicians don't need to practice... From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:31:31 EDT     --part1_a0.136a1a83.281774e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 4/24/2001 5:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     >=3D20 > >> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CIf I miss one day of practice, I can notice it in my = performan=3D ce; if I=3D20 >> miss=3D20 >> two days, the critics notice; but if I miss three days, the = audience=3D20 >> notices.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D=3D20 >>=3D20 >=3D20 > This is a great quote. =3D20 >=3D20 > Neil B   Paderewski, yes? And I thought he said "but if I miss three days, the = whole=3D20 world knows!"   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler   --part1_a0.136a1a83.281774e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D3D2=3D >In a message dated 4/24/2001 5:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">=3DE2=3D80=3D9CIf I miss = one day=3D20=3D of practice, I can notice it in my performance; if I=3D20 <BR>miss=3D20 <BR>two days, the critics notice; but if I miss three days, the = audience=3D20 <BR>notices.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D=3D20 <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>This is a great quote. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Paderewski, yes? And I thought he said "but if I miss = three=3D20=3D days, the whole=3D20 <BR>world knows!" <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a0.136a1a83.281774e3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Program help needed!! From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:27:37 -0400   Dear David.,   You mean you don't have them memorized? (Hey, David, you now have reason AND permission to sock me in the jaw next time we're together!!) :-)   Allegro moderato e serioso Adaio Andante, R=E9cit Allegro assai vivace   Herliche Gr=FCssen nach Ihnen.   Karl    
(back) Subject: fresh air From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:40:29 -0400   it seems that someone opened a window. The air seems much fresher now.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Need Help Finding CD's,Tapes From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:53:24 -0700 (PDT)   Bruce,   I see what you are saying but in the past I almost NEVER listened to music I was learning. When I started doing this, I learned the music so much faster.   I agree with you that rhythms should be broken down, etc. but this takes SO long. Maybe the more I do it though the faster I will get at it! With rhythm not being one of my strong points, organ lessons are really helping me with this since in organ everything has to be so precise. Not that I don't try to be precise with piano but it is just different as with piano you can 'fudge' at times.   Sometimes I will hear a person play a piece (like the church organist and I just HAVE to learn the piece. I don't play by ear very well but if someone plays something for me one time, I pretty well can figure out the piece. I think this is still using my individual approach to the piece though.   Thanks for your comments.   Cindy           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: 1812 Overture -- arranged for organ and brass? From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:33:01 -0400   Hi, Y'all!   In all of our conversations some time ago about the "Fare for the Common Man," was it ever decided or announced or typed or proclaimed whether or not there is a transcription (derangement) of the 1812 Overture for Organ and Brass?   We no longer use full orchestra for our patriotic concerts in February, = but would like to include this audience-fave piece next year.   As always, thanks for your help.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Arthur From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:57:16 EDT     --part1_48.14cd886c.2817970c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I saw this quote, and couldn't help but think of Arthur:   > I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an = argument on > any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me = at > parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite = me. >     Vicki Ceruti     --part1_48.14cd886c.2817970c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I saw this quote, and = couldn't help but think of Arthur: <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I argue very well. = Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an argument on <BR>any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of = me at <BR>parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even = invite me. <BR><I>- Dave Barry</BLOCKQUOTE></I> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_48.14cd886c.2817970c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Old Fashioned May Processions with Organs and Choirs From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:12:58 EDT     --part1_91.9cca776.28179aba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/24/01 9:59:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes:     > Does anyone have an "order of service" or a checklist of what needs to = be > includes in such an event? Needless to say we are planning a huge May > Crowning and Procession here at the National Shrine. I did this every = year > as a kid but do not begin to remember what all is included.   Scott,   Moms being Moms, I'm willing to bet that some of your older parishoners = still have some programs from when their kids (your contemporaries?) were = involved. Speaking as a Mom, of course. :-)   Vicki Ceruti   --part1_91.9cca776.28179aba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated = 4/24/01 9:59:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScottFop@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone have = an "order of service" or a checklist of what needs to be <BR>includes in such an event? &nbsp;Needless to say we are planning a = huge May <BR>Crowning and Procession here at the National Shrine. &nbsp;I did this = every year <BR>as a kid but do not begin to remember what all is included. = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Scott, <BR> <BR>Moms being Moms, I'm willing to bet that some of your older = parishoners still <BR>have some programs from when their kids (your contemporaries?) were = involved. <BR>&nbsp;Speaking as a Mom, of course. &nbsp;:-) <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti</FONT></HTML>   --part1_91.9cca776.28179aba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Establishing Boundaries From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:37:49 EDT   Ladies and Gentlemen:   Since there was, to my dismay, a confusion as to the nature of the = dismissal of Arthur LaMirande, let us collectively, yet briefly, examine the issue = that seems to have been missed.   The objection was not to Arthur's "baiting" of others, since he has a decades-long history of this, confirmed by another list member (who was incidentally kicked off the list for her expose of his catalogue raisonnee = of crimes against manners). Nor was it an objection to his ability to accumulate staggering numbers of facts about topics of interest to few. = Nor was it about his obsession with one particularly obscure writer of music, = nor his disturbing and unrelenting praise of a large organ, with an = unsuccessful swell division, in a confusing acoustic, north of our borders.   It was plain and simply about bigotry. Not very well veiled bigotry. And = if I were at all perceptive, I might easily see it as obviously projected bigotry. Hatred is not sickness; hatred is evil. We can "shrug it off" = and "be adults" about it, but NOT setting boundaries leads to many awful = things, not only perpetuating them, but planting notions in the minds others who normally would not have an opinion. It takes only a few small minds to create one large atmosphere in which irreversible things happen because = too many people just look on. A half century after Auschwitz, we still cannot =   believe that human beings DID that; it is MUCH harder to believe that = during the years and millions of manhours it took to design, construct, and = operate it, there were was no outcry.   NO, Arthur's statements will not result in the murder of another Matthew Shepard. And he will not singlehandedly bring about the downfall of the Protestant Church. While he may be persona non grata in every Protestant church in the Tri-State area (it seems as though ALL of his nemeses opt to =   live in Connecticut...) everybody ELSE in this jovial collective seems to have enjoyed their hospitality, with fond memories of great services, warm =   greetings, access to organs, and caffeine overload from those elegant = coffee hours at Saint Thomas on Fifth.   So let all of us on this list who love, play, build, restore, and choose = to devote our lives to the study of the pipe organ, continue to do so without =   the spectre of being judged for what we are or are not. We owe our list moderators two rounds of congratulations: the first one for being = honorable enough to give Arthur a chance, and the second one for being strong enough = to realize that the experiment didn't work. Thank you Tim and David.   Seb  
(back) Subject: Re: fresh air From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:58:47 EDT     --part1_104.25dcb1e.2817b387_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/24/01 6:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > it seems that someone opened a window. The air seems much fresher now. > >   Seems we just had a long administrative letter about unkind posts! = Perhaps you missed it!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_104.25dcb1e.2817b387_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/24/01 6:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">it seems that = someone opened a window. The air seems much fresher now. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Seems we just had a long administrative letter about unkind posts! = &nbsp;&nbsp;Perhaps <BR>you missed it!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.25dcb1e.2817b387_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: fresh air From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:01:45 -0400   Bruce,   don't ruin the moment. I wasn't being unkind at all. I've NEVER been = unkind to anyone on this list, and I'm not going to start now. Don't worry........be happy.......<G>   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Establishing Boundaries From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:06:45 EDT     --part1_35.142867f8.2817b565_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   May we please have an END to all of the Arthur bashing. You've all whines =   and bellyaches to the list owners, now PLEASE DROP IT and get on to = something else. You all have your opinions and you are welcomed to them, but please =   keep them to yourselves. They're OFF TOPIC.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_35.142867f8.2817b565_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>May we please have an = END to all of the Arthur bashing. &nbsp;You've all whines <BR>and bellyaches to the list owners, now PLEASE DROP IT and get on to = something <BR>else. &nbsp;You all have your opinions and you are welcomed to them, = but please <BR>keep them to yourselves. &nbsp;They're OFF TOPIC. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_35.142867f8.2817b565_boundary--