PipeChat Digest #2055 - Wednesday, April 25, 2001
 
Going to Hell in Arkansas--cross posted
  by "Bruce Dersch" <bedersch@earthlink.net>
Wanted: Mixture
  by <JFick@aol.com>
Re: Carlo, Welcome Back!
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
Re: Carlo, Welcome Back!
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Wanted: Mixture
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
LaMirande
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Access to organs
  by "Jonathan Roussos" <jroussos@san.rr.com>
Re: Establishing Boundaries
  by "edward a mc callum" <edmack2@juno.com>
Re: Establishing Boundaries
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Tubes for Allen Organs
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Access to organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Establishing Boundaries
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Establishing Boundaries
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Please Read Regarding Arthur LaMirande
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
Re: retrievable piston combinations
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Going to Hell in Arkansas--cross posted From: "Bruce Dersch" <bedersch@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:21:53 -0500   Dear List:   Yes we are extremely pleased that Felix Hell will be making his second appearance at Subiaco Abbey's St. Benedict Church on Tuesday, May 1, 2001, at 7:30 p.m. As David Scribner mentioned on one of the lists, this is an additional opportunity to hear Felix, and he will be playing a somewhat different program here from the one at Little Rock. The Wicks/Nichols-Simpson organ at the Abbey has a unique sound and we have been privleged to have different artists get it to respond in such differing manners. This concert is free since we have a sponsor who underwrites all of them. If you attend, please make it a point to walk up and introduce yourself to us. We do so enjoy meeting people from the list and the reception afterwards will offer a splendid opportunity for all of us to mingle with the artist. If you need directions please call the Arts Dept. Office at the number below.   Here is Felix's Program: (If any of you have notes or information about the following pieces please drop me an email... thanks in advance...)     1. JSBach - Fantasy and Fugue in G Minor, BWV 542 (need notes)   2. JSBach - "Schmuecke dich o liebe Seele" (Leipzig Choral), BWV 654 (need notes)   3. JSBach - Prelude and Fugue E Minor, BWV 548 (need notes)   4. Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy Prelude G Major, op. 37 (need notes)   5. Leon Boellmann Suite gothique, op. 25 (need notes)   INTERMISSION   6. Felix Mendelssohn - Sonata No. 2, c minor, op.65 (need notes)   7. Norbert Schneider - Toccata for organ "Brother of Sleep" (have notes)   8. Franz Liszt - Prelude and Fugue on B-A-C-H (need notes)   9. C.M.Widor -> Symphony No. 5 - Adagio (need notes) - Toccata (need notes)     regards,   Bruce Dersch Director of Music Subiaco Academy Subiaco, AR 72865 501-934-1276 (Arts Dept. Office)    
(back) Subject: Wanted: Mixture From: <JFick@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:12:29 EDT   Does anyone have a Mixture III for sale somewhere in the northeast USA? = It's intended for our newly installed church organ = (http://www.ChristMemorialChurch.org) which operates at just under 3" W.P.   Forgive me if this is not the appropriate forum for this request. This is = a cross posting from the Diyapason-L list.   Thanks. Jon Fick Westford, Vermont jfick@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Carlo, Welcome Back! From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:10:33 EDT     --part1_fc.561bac5.281834d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Carlo, welcome back! I'm glad to see you decided to stay with us. The reason the air is fresher is becuase of your return. You were sorely = missed. Now, where's desertbob been lately? We miss him too. By the way, I'm = very proud to announce that my church has established an organ fund and I'm = hoping that it's to procure a pipe organ although I'm not privy to such matters = as I just moved there. However, our parish is quite progressive and everybody there loves to sing and our organist loves to crank it up! Mass is quite enjoyable for that reason and there are times I hate to see it end (especially this Easter past, WOW!!!!).   Since Carlo has returned, can we throw an online party?   Best to all Dennis R.   --part1_fc.561bac5.281834d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Carlo, welcome back! = &nbsp;I'm glad to see you decided to stay with us. &nbsp;The <BR>reason the air is fresher is becuase of your return. &nbsp;You were = sorely missed. <BR>&nbsp;Now, where's desertbob been lately? &nbsp;We miss him too. = &nbsp;By the way, I'm very <BR>proud to announce that my church has established an organ fund and I'm = hoping <BR>that it's to procure a pipe organ although I'm not privy to such = matters as I <BR>just moved there. &nbsp;However, our parish is quite progressive and = everybody <BR>there loves to sing and our organist loves to crank it up! &nbsp;Mass = is quite <BR>enjoyable for that reason and there are times I hate to see it end <BR>(especially this Easter past, WOW!!!!). &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Since Carlo has returned, can we throw an online party? <BR> <BR>Best to all <BR>Dennis R. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fc.561bac5.281834d9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Carlo, Welcome Back! From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:16:04 -0400   Dennis et al,   I highly doubt I'm worth an online party. To be honest, I never left PipeChat. I've been receiving all the posts, and replying privately. Good luck with the organ fund project. I hope your congregation is very = generous <G>   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Mixture From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500   JFick@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone have a Mixture III for sale somewhere in the northeast USA? = It's intended for our newly installed church organ = (http://www.ChristMemorialChurch.org) which operates at just under 3" W.P. > > Forgive me if this is not the appropriate forum for this request. This = is a cross posting from the Diyapason-L list. >   Not just any mixture would do, and in discovering a suitable one it would = be important to know the stop list of the organ, together with the scaling = (or failing that the diameter of low C) of the Principal chorus stops on the division where the mixture is to be placed. = Only then would it be possible to assess the composition and scaling the = mixture required. Even a minor change in the composition of a mixture can make an enormous difference. The organ in = our church (A-S Op. 979) has a three-rank Plein Jeu on the Swell. In the = 1960's the composition of this was changed by moving a break at treble C up a fifth. I recently reversed this change. You = wouldn't think moving a break a fifth would make much of a difference, but = it has in fact transformed the Plein Jeu from a hideous and screeching one in the treble to the rich and noble sound that G. = Donald Harrison had originally intended.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: LaMirande From: "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:03:39 -0700 (MST)   I've learned a great deal from Arthurs posts here and will miss them. He contributes to http://musiclassical.com frequently and see his posts frequently on their list.   ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^= *^*^ R. A. Campbell, KUAT Communications-Modern Languages Building P.O.Box = 210067 University of Arizona, Tucson AZ 85721 on the www: http://kuat.org    
(back) Subject: Access to organs From: "Jonathan Roussos" <jroussos@san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:02:25 -0700   In response to the access to organs thread,   During my college years, I worked summers in the Washington, DC area. I found that by offering to sing in their summer choirs I was granted both church keys and unlimited access to the organ at a couple of different churches. This association also led to my first paying gig.   Joining the choir at St John's Episcopal, Los Angeles also gained me keys and access to the four manual EM Skinner/ Austin.   If you are planning to use an instrument on a regular basis, it is not unreasonable for a church to expect something in return. Choose your = church carefully and you could wind up with a very nice instrument to practice = on, and watching a good organist in action can be sort of a free organ lesson.   I never have learned to use pistons effectively since I wouldn't dream of changing someones settings without permission.   As one without the talent level to make a living doing music, I can't imagine working a full time job, and family, and playing somewhere without without some sort of a practice machine at home.    
(back) Subject: Re: Establishing Boundaries From: "edward a mc callum" <edmack2@juno.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:40:31 -0400   "to do so without the spectre of being judged for what we are or are not"   sounds like this statement cuts both ways, i shall miss arthur----ed mc callum, melbourne, florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Establishing Boundaries From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 25 Apr 2001 09:58:56 -0700   On Tue, 24 April 2001, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > We owe our list > moderators two rounds of congratulations: the first one for being = honorable > enough to give Arthur a chance, and the second one for being strong = enough to > realize that the experiment didn't work. Thank you Tim and David.   I would add two more rounds: the third for all the work Tim and David do = to keep this list going, and the fourth for putting up with the rest of = us!   Thanks, Seb, for your eloquent message.   Dick      
(back) Subject: Tubes for Allen Organs From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:34:02 -0400   Dear list,   Do any of you techie tube orglers know if Allen used the type 12AX7 tube = in their tube rack models? If not which one was it? Some that I have seen = have the # sandblasted off the envelope.   Thanks,   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Access to organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:46:35 EDT     --part1_ab.8c8f411.2818839b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/25/01 8:05:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jroussos@san.rr.com writes:     > I never have learned to use pistons effectively since I wouldn't dream = of > changing someones settings without permission. > If you do some experimenting you might discover a system to the way the = organ pistons are set. I learned a great deal when at Christ Church Cathedral = - Houston, in exactly the kind of situation you mention, as a chorister and observer. William barnard was a genius at registration, and this was reflected in the way he had the pistons set. Only three of the generals were changed weekly for anthems and voluntaries; all else remained the = same, and I was really surprised at how well this worked for most literature = when translated to this organ (GDH A-S, 1938/48/54).     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ab.8c8f411.2818839b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/25/01 8:05:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>jroussos@san.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I never have = learned to use pistons effectively since I wouldn't dream of <BR>changing someones settings without permission. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>If you do some experimenting you might discover a system to the way = the organ <BR>pistons are set. &nbsp;&nbsp;I learned a great deal when at Christ = Church Cathedral - <BR>Houston, in exactly the kind of situation you mention, as a chorister = and <BR>observer. &nbsp;William barnard was a genius at registration, and this = was <BR>reflected in the way he had the pistons set. &nbsp;&nbsp;Only three of = the generals <BR>were changed weekly for anthems and voluntaries; all else remained the = same, <BR>and I was really surprised at how well this worked for most literature = when <BR>translated to this organ (GDH A-S, 1938/48/54). <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ab.8c8f411.2818839b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Establishing Boundaries From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:11:27 -0700 (PDT)   On the other hand, does it really matter how vituperative a person like Arthur (or any one of us, for that matter) is on an organ email list? Personally, it doesn't affect my daily life whatsoever. I have the ability to shrug it off. Such things simply don't matter to me. The important thing is to have a full life and not let something so small and petty get under one's skin. An email list, while interesting and informative, does not rule one's everyday actions and feelings.   --- support@opensystemsorgans.com wrote: > On Tue, 24 April 2001, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > We owe our list > > moderators two rounds of congratulations: the > first one for being honorable > > enough to give Arthur a chance, and the second one > for being strong enough to > > realize that the experiment didn't work. Thank > you Tim and David. > > I would add two more rounds: the third for all the > work Tim and David do to keep this list going, and > the fourth for putting up with the rest of us! > > Thanks, Seb, for your eloquent message. > > Dick > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Establishing Boundaries From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:23:13 EDT   I think basic civility and common courtesy should prevail in all areas of = life whether in the flesh or in cyberspace. People who cannot observe such = ought not to be tolerated in any part of life.   Would that I always lived up to my own ideal!  
(back) Subject: Re: Please Read Regarding Arthur LaMirande From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:52:38 -0500   I too enjoyed many of Mr. LaMirande's essays, and will miss them. Does everyone remember the old rhyme that begins: Sticks and stones will break = my bones.   True I was never directly attacked in one of LaMirande's postings, but perhaps we should try to be a bit more charitable and long suffering. I chose not to "snip" the following quote because it is brief and bears rereading. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Brown <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Please Read Regarding Arthur LaMirande     > > Last night I set Mr. LaMirande to NO POST status > > From where I sit (down under) I don't think you guys can see the wood = for > the trees. The guy just likes to bait you all occasionally (or even often). > Why not just ignore the bait - he has, even recently, has some extremely > useful and interesting things to say. > > Lighten up a bit. > > > Roger Brown > robrown@melbpc.org.au > rbrown7@bigpond.net.au > http://rogerbrown.tripod.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: retrievable piston combinations From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:02:31 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C0CDA1.224A5760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Bruce, I didn't think we musicians were allowed to play with really =3D sharp things. Scribes are very sharp, one could put an eye out.;-)=3D20 Bill   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: retrievable piston combinations     In a message dated 4/23/01 5:58:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=3D20 dougcampbell@juno.com writes:=3D20       It is called Pen and Paper !=3D20     Ball point or scribe??? (I prefer scribe myself... an excellent idea) = =3D       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C0CDA1.224A5760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Bruce, I didn't think we musicians were allowed to = =3D play with=3D20 really sharp things. Scribes are very sharp, one could put an eye =3D out.;-)=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com"=3D20 title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com>Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 23, 2001 = =3D 9:26=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: retrievable piston = =3D   combinations</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 4/23/01 5:58:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:dougcampbell@juno.com">dougcampbell@juno.com</A> =3D writes:=3D20 <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">It is called Pen and Paper ! <BR></FONT><FONT =3D color=3D3D#000000=3D20 face=3D3DArial lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Ball point or=3D20 scribe??? &nbsp;(I prefer scribe myself... an excellent idea)=3D20 <BR><BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> &nbsp; =3D <BR>with the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit =3D Howling=3D20 Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C0CDA1.224A5760--