PipeChat Digest #2066 - Saturday, April 28, 2001
 
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Scott and Little Flower
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  Simple Question
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
thank you!
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:OT -  Arthur LaMirande
  by "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net>
Scott
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: OT -  Arthur LaMirande
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error?
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Scott's post
  by "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com>
commentary RE: Scott and Little Flower
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Upcoming Recitals -- Macon and Atlanta, GA
  by "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:16:12 EDT   Hi Scott:   I look to you and people like you that validate my personal feelings about worship. Those of us who have chosen to swim against the prevailing tide, wish to preserve something precious, our traditions. I, like you am not willing to sell my birthright for a cheap bowl of porridge. I'm with you 100%.   I like to kid around, and write funny things, and I hope they make you laugh. The guitar stop was one of those. We need to laugh, or we would surely cry for the lack of it!   My musical tastes follows similar lines to your own. I, like you, need to = be honest and true to my values. That's as it should be! I thoroughly enjoy your posts and your input, which I admire greatly.   God Bless,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Scott and Little Flower From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:21:30 EDT     --part1_e.c1b55b4.281c561a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 4/28/01 1:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Scott's music program is probably the IDEAL mix for a large, visible, > urban pilgrimage church like Little Flower. If he's got the building, > the organ, the forces, the budget, and the chops to do it, more power to > him!   Thank you and others who have written me recently so very much for = the=3D20 support!     > It is neither necessary NOR desirable that EVERY RC church fit the > cookie-cutter OCP missalette mold.   Exactly what I have been trying to say. Maybe you worded it more = effectivel=3D y=3D20 than I did, but SO true! I honestly think that Missallettes (another = advent=3D =3D20 from Vatican II) are alot of the problem!     > I read with great sadness other RC service-lists on this and other > groups which don't include a SINGLE item from the patrimony of > traditional RC church music.=3D20   So have I, and those are some of the reasons it saddens me and gets = me=3D20 "going" to see what's going on out in the church music world in other = places=3D ..       That's NOT what Vatican !! contemplated ... > the Latin language, Gregorian Chant, classical polyphony, and the pipe > organ are to be preserved and given pride of place.=3D20   And the Detroit Archdiocese very adamantly states the exact same thing in = it=3D s=3D20 materials regarding worship and music. Unfortunately, many of the = local=3D20 parish musicians seem to ignore it or have no clue as to how to = implement=3D20 such types of repertoire. Its sad.     ALLOWANCES are to be > made for differing cultural norms, but that remains the STANDARD, "all > opinions to the contrary notwithstanding"=3D20   Yes, true again.     > Go for it, Scott! >=3D20 Um- we will!   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D     --part1_e.c1b55b4.281c561a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 4/28/0=3D 1 1:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Scott's music program is = pr=3D obably the IDEAL mix for a large, visible, <BR>urban pilgrimage church like Little Flower. If he's got the building, <BR>the organ, the forces, the budget, and the chops to do it, more power = to <BR>him!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Thank you and others who have written me recently so very much for = the=3D20 <BR>support! <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It is neither = n=3D ecessary NOR desirable that EVERY RC church fit the <BR>cookie-cutter OCP missalette mold.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D =3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Exactly what I have been trying to say. &nbsp;Maybe you worded it more = e=3D ffectively=3D20 <BR>than I did, but SO true! &nbsp;I honestly think that Missallettes = (anoth=3D er advent=3D20 <BR>from Vatican II) are alot of the problem! <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I read with = gre=3D at sadness other RC service-lists on this and other <BR>groups which don't include a SINGLE item from the patrimony of <BR>traditional RC church music. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D3 FA=3D MILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">So have I, and those are some of the reasons it saddens = me a=3D nd gets me=3D20 <BR>"going" to see what's going on out in the church music world in other = pl=3D aces. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>That's NOT what Vatican !! contemplated ... <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">the Latin language, = Gregori=3D an Chant, classical polyphony, and the pipe <BR>organ are to be preserved and given pride of place. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D =3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCK=3D QUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">And the Detroit Archdiocese very adamantly states the = exact=3D20=3D same thing in its=3D20 <BR>materials regarding worship and music. &nbsp;Unfortunately, many of = the=3D20=3D local=3D20 <BR>parish musicians seem to ignore it or have no clue as to how to = implemen=3D t=3D20 <BR>such types of repertoire. &nbsp;Its sad. <BR> <BR> <BR>ALLOWANCES are to be <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">made for differing = cultural=3D norms, but that remains the STANDARD, "all <BR>opinions to the contrary notwithstanding" </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000=3D " SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Yes, true again. <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Go for it, = Scot=3D t! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Um- we will! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music and = L=3D iturgy <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat = dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.c1b55b4.281c561a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:05:03 -0700   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_6150774= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 11:35 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote: >People have called me arrogant, elitist, snobby, stuck up, angry, = vicious, >troubled, cruel, frightening and self serving. <snip>   Diagnosis: You've been hanging around too many "organ people"!   >There are beautiful arrangements of 'On Eagles' Wings' and 'Sing To the >Mountains' that >spiritually uplift my congregation" or other such remarks. <snip>   <puking>   >especially compared with what worship WAS prior to Vatican II <snip>   That's simple...the "big three": "Oh, Salute Taurus", "Tantrum Ego", and "Holy God" for EVERYTHING! ...usually accompanied by a Hammond, of = course, with the rare BawLD-One or Allen in "high" churches.   >Personally, I will not do Glory and Praise/contemporary Christian music. = I >will not do "On Eagles' Wings" or "Be Not Afraid," "Mass of Creation" or = the >like.<snip>   Good for you! What DRECK....   >But the point is- we know Latin and can do it when appropriate or >necessary. <snip>   Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? Latin's been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such. However, I DO credit two years' worth of Latin study with my = ability to learn any of the Romance languages fairly quickly. So, academically, it's not a "trivial pursuit". But for use in liturgy? It just = perpetuates the "Dark Ages Magic Show" the RC was trying to keep going for centuries. John XXIII fixed THAT...of course, he got whacked for his trouble! My theory: "NEVER trust any salesman that's pitching to you in = a language you don't understand."   >I am actually thankful for having found the Plainsong and the Anglican = Chant >Psalters (The Church Pension Fund) and "By Flowing Waters" (The = Liturgical >Press). They are excellent resources for those parishes wishing to = really >delve into chant for responsorial psalms, offertory and communion = antiphons >and introits IN THE VERNACULAR. <snip>   Gee, I bet "BuuD-by-the-BeacH" would LUUUV to work there!   >Another list member said, regarding me, "we have taken issue with him in = the >past to no avail, we are weary of his posts." <snip>   "Organ people"...pay them NO mind!   <snipping rest>   There...feel better now??   dB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_6150774= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 11:35 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>People have called me arrogant, elitist, snobby, stuck up, angry, vicious, <br> troubled, cruel, frightening and self serving. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Diagnosis:&nbsp; You've been hanging around too many &quot;organ people&quot;!<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>There are beautiful arrangements of 'On Eagles' Wings' and 'Sing To the Mountains' that <br> spiritually uplift my congregation&quot; or other such remarks. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> &lt;puking&gt;<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>especially compared with what worship WAS prior to Vatican II &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> That's simple...the &quot;big three&quot;:&nbsp; &quot;Oh, Salute Taurus&quot;, &quot;Tantrum Ego&quot;, and &quot;Holy God&quot; for EVERYTHING!&nbsp; ...usually accompanied by a Hammond, of course, with the rare BawLD-One or Allen in &quot;high&quot; churches.<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>Personally, I will not do Glory and Praise/contemporary Christian music. I <br> will not do &quot;On Eagles' Wings&quot; or &quot;Be Not Afraid,&quot; &quot;Mass of Creation&quot; or the <br> like.&lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Good for you!&nbsp; What DRECK....<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>But the point is- we know Latin and can do it when appropriate or necessary. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II?&nbsp; Latin's been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such.&nbsp; However, I DO credit two years' worth of Latin study with my ability to learn any of the Romance languages fairly quickly.&nbsp; So, academically, it's not a &quot;trivial pursuit&quot;.&nbsp; But for use in liturgy?&nbsp; It just perpetuates the &quot;Dark Ages Magic Show&quot; the RC was trying to keep going for centuries.&nbsp; John XXIII fixed THAT...of course, he got whacked for his trouble!&nbsp; My theory:&nbsp; &quot;NEVER trust any salesman that's pitching to you in a language you don't understand.&quot;<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>I = am actually thankful for having found the Plainsong and the Anglican Chant <br> Psalters (The Church Pension Fund) and &quot;By Flowing Waters&quot; (The Liturgical <br> Press).&nbsp; They are excellent resources for those parishes wishing to really <br> delve into chant for responsorial psalms, offertory and communion antiphons <br> and introits IN THE VERNACULAR. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Gee, I bet &quot;BuuD-by-the-BeacH&quot; would LUUUV to work there!<br><br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>Another list member said, regarding me, &quot;we have taken issue with him in the <br> past to no avail, we are weary of his posts.&quot; &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> &quot;Organ people&quot;...pay them NO mind!<br><br> &lt;snipping rest&gt;<br><br> There...feel better now??<br><br> dB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_6150774= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: thank you! From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:40:25 -0700   Thanking DesertBob for his (as usual) unique and enlightened elucidation (grin).   Gee, I guess there IS enough bull s**t out in the desert to grow Magic Mushrooms after all (chuckle).   Bud-By-The-Beach    
(back) Subject: Re:OT - Arthur LaMirande From: "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:48:48 -0400   At 11:59 PM 4/27/2001 -0400, you wrote:   snip......   >Yes! I too vote for Arthur LaMirande's "reestablishment" on this list! = I >read > I hope those in the position to do so re-establish contact = with >Arthur LaMirande and invite him back into our membership. Enough of us, =   >up to >this evening, have expressed this same viewpoint. > It is my opinion, that, in a public forum environment = such as >this, when this scenario takes place.......that we, my friends, who are = left >with the circle intact, are the real losers. > -Jane Hanudel   I prefer to stay a lurker but this post really bothers me. 1. Public Forum? - We're all hear at the invitation of the people who set up this list & also set up rules - this is their "house" & those who come here are silently agreeing to abide by those rules. If you don't like them, please, feel free to start your own list with your own rules. For = my own part, I don't try to second guess the list admin's - or try to influence them - I don't know what caused this rift since I use the delete =   key a lot - but I am glad that David & Tim gave us a place to come & learn =   & share, & I'm quite willing to abide by their rules (though I may have just broken one by continuing this thread.). If you still feel strongly about it - take it private to the admins & lets get back to a continuing discussion about organs. Sorry if I bent your rules a bit David - I'm now going back to lurking & learning. Claire      
(back) Subject: Scott From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:09:56 -0400   Good for you Scott, carry on! Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:06:58 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0CFE4.1B80E8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   dB scribes:   >Their time has long passed, as has that of trackers and sliders, and = new=3D engineering is >now needed, both for increased reliability and cost = cont=3D ainment, if the instrument is to =3D20 >survive. Most of what is faddishly popular now are exercises in = histori=3D cally based self >flagellation of ego-tripping builders, and only will = se=3D rve to price the organ further and >further out of the realm of reality.   Just what is this new engineering you propose? What are your cost = contai=3D nment ideas? What's more reliable than mechanical action? Schnitger, = Si=3D lbermann, Cavaille-Coll, et al were know for recycling organs-why don't = w=3D e do the same?   As the Earth has a finite supply of natural resources, organs in general = =3D will become more expensive. Ego-tripping builders only supply what the = e=3D go-tripping purchasers want.<br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download = of=3D MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.=3D com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0CFE4.1B80E8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>dB = scribes:</D=3D IV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&gt;Their time has long passed, as has that = of=3D trackers and sliders, and new engineering is &gt;now needed, both for = in=3D creased reliability and cost containment, if the instrument is to = <BR>&gt=3D ;survive.&nbsp; Most of what is faddishly popular now are exercises in = hi=3D storically based self &gt;flagellation of ego-tripping builders, and = only=3D will serve to price the organ further and &gt;further out of the realm = o=3D f reality.<BR><BR>Just what is this new engineering you propose?&nbsp; = Wh=3D at are your cost containment ideas?&nbsp; What's more reliable than = mecha=3D nical action?&nbsp; Schnitger, Silbermann, Cavaille-Coll, et al were = know=3D for recycling organs-why don't we do the same?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <=3D DIV>As the Earth has a finite supply of natural resources, organs in = gene=3D ral will become more expensive.&nbsp; Ego-tripping builders only supply = w=3D hat the ego-tripping purchasers want.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;=3D </DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download = o=3D f MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn=3D ..com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0CFE4.1B80E8A0--  
(back) Subject: Re: OT - Arthur LaMirande From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:36:06 -0400   Oh well, here I go again <g> This discussion shouldn't be happening. = David, the owner of this list has said so. The is NOT a democracy, you seem to = forget that as many people have already mentioned and David himself has. If someone is = booted out by the administrator that's it! There is no appeal to the masses you too = can be removed at David's whim or Tim's when they to want to and again you have = no Appeal.   Lets stop flogging a dead horse and move on to something interesting. You = can always leave and see if there is a list left in the world that will allow = Arthur on it.   If you object to someone's removal, write to the administrator, don't = whine to the last that has no authority to do anything about it. This is an ORGAN = discussion List not a complaint department.   Lets get back to it!!   Cheers, Mack (Who is Flameproof)        
(back) Subject: Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error? From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:31:17 -0400   I'm working at Camille Saint-Saens' Prelude and Fugue in B, Op. 99, No. = 2 from the Kalmus edition, likely a reprint of some French edition. Anyone know whose?   On page 16, first measutre on the page, the key signatures is five sharps, thus with an A# included in the signature. Yet, at beat 4 of this 6/8 piece, the music includes a sharp sign on the notes a' in the top = voice, as well as a sharp sign on a in beat 6 in the tenor voice. The prior measure has an a-natural, forming a secondary dominant of the E chord at = the top of p. 16, first beat.   The second note on p. 16 is some version of a'. Should I assume that = it should be a-natural, with the a'sharp in beat 4 now cancelling the a'-natural? Or should I assume that that second note should be a-sharp = and that the sharp sign in beat 4 is in the wrong place, that Saint-Saens intended it on the second note as a cautionary chromatic sign?   In the context of the whole piece, my ear suggests that the second note should be A-sharp. O.K.: is my ear jaded?   Thanx for any help you can give.   By the way, it's a SPLENDID piece that, in my opinion, gets too few hearings.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Scott's post From: "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT)   Gee, Scott, if God is calling you to the priesthood, I hope you'll go, of course, but I was just wondering what we had to do to get you to apply for the Organist/Choirmaster job at St. Paul's Cathedral in Birmingham!! I can promise you a good alto and tenor!! I'd even play a little, if you talked nicely to me and didn't yell.<g>   Me'n'thee, ole buddy. I introduced myself to someone just the other day as having two degrees in music, which qualifies me as a card-carrying snob.<g>   The pendulum is swinging back our way, and the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter is helping that happen. The LCD (lowest common denominator) approach to music in Catholic liturgy was bound to fail. We have too much history and tradition that argues against it. Jesus promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, and I figure that includes bad taste in all its pernicious manifestations.   I have pointed out to our Bishop on more than one occasion that we require priests to go to school for years and years, but anyone who can yodel, flap their arms or wiggle their fingers is considered a church musician in the Catholic Church. History won't treat our generation kindly.   Re: good music in English. I'd suggest drawing heavily on the Anglo-Catholic repertory. The Episcopal Rite II mass is a literal translation of the Sarum Rite in use in England at the time that Henry broke with the Pope. I'd also suggest finding friends of like mind. If you haven't yet made acquaintance with Calvert Shenk, Assoc. Prof. of Music at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, then you need to do so AT ONCE. Cal is not only a superlative organist and improvisateur, he has the largest private collection of GOOD music in English I've ever seen. He has written much of it himself, and it's GOOD. It's easy enough for congregations to sing and exquisitely tasteful. (Well, his Mass for St. Therese wasn't as pleasing to me as the rest, but it's still light years ahead of most of the others in print.) SHMS hired him specifically for his expertise in Gregorian Chant. Cal's fatal flaw as a person is that he's just too nice and too low key. If he promoted himself as hard as some lesser talents have done, then he'd be both world famous and rich. He'll probably go down in history as one of the great undiscovered Catholic composers in the late 20th/early 21st centuries. And I've never worked with an organist with a bigger repertory. He plays major works every Sunday. One Sunday, his assistant had his copy of the organ score, and was absent unexpectedly, death in the family, out of town. Cal improvised a whole work in the style of the particular composer. That choir had four or five organists in it, and we were all amazed.   Please tell him that Barry and Marilyn said, "hey." We miss him, real bad.   Marilyn T. Oakes, CRC, LPC, CLCP Certified Pain Practitioner   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marilyn T. Oakes, CRC, LPC, CLCP, Certified Pain Practitioner Rehabilitation Consultants, Inc. P.O. Box 43254 Birmingham, Alabama USA 35243-0254 Web Site: www.oakes.org, email: marilyn@oakes.org -or- = marilynoakes@yahoo.com Life Care Planning, Pediatric Life Care Planning, Vocational Assessment, Chronic Pain Research & Consultation   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: commentary RE: Scott and Little Flower From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:56:16 -0700   By way of explanation, there are several organ and church music lists where those of a conservative bent are NOT welcome. I've gotten tossed off a few, and quit a few more for the same reason.   Sometimes on Anglican Music I have to bite my tongue, and/or go look up what they're TALKING about (grin), since we don't use the new Prayer Book OR the new Hymnal at St. Matthew's ... never HAVE; never WILL; end of discussion (grin).   I hasten to add that my OWN conservatism ends at the end-papers of the Anglican Missal (grin) ... socially and politically I'm somewhere to the left of Chairman Mao ... and THAT isn't particularly welcome on some of those same lists (grin).   For forty years now I've observed that the liberals are liberal UNTIL you disagree with 'em (grin). On balance, a fair number of the (mis-named) "conservatives" are TOTALLY crazed. Latest example: a "certain" minority is responsible for Mad Cow / Foot and Mouth Disease. I won't explicate the obvious as to WHO *has* Foot IN Mouth Disease (grin).   Cheers,   Bud, who's writing funeral Psalms this cold dreary morning ... appropriate, if I can stay AWAKE    
(back) Subject: Upcoming Recitals -- Macon and Atlanta, GA From: "Stephen F. P. Karr" <karr_sf@acadmn.mercer.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:36:42 -0400   Hi, all-   I am writing to let you know of two recitals I will be playing in the above mentioned cities. The programs will be identical, as follows:   Messiaen: Transports de Joie from L'Ascension Bach: Sonata IV in E minor BWV 528 Sowerby: Passacaglia from Symphony in G   The Macon recital will be at Northminster Presbyterian Church, where I am currently interim Organist/Choirmaster. The instrument is a II/33 Zimmer from 1990 (stoplist available on request). The recital is at 5:30 on Sunday, 6 May 2001.   The Atlanta recital will be at St. Luke's Episcopal on Peachtree Street, which has an Austin from some year, redone by a Zimmer recently (sorry, don't know which one) and it has some number of manuals and ranks. I've not been up there yet, so I'm a little bit in the dark. This recital is for the Atlanta AGO May meeting. My recital is at 6:00, followed by dinner, then at 8:00 there is a Guild Service and Festal Evensong.   I can give directions, if desired. If any of you decide to come, please introduce yourself to me afterwards. I like to put faces to names.   -Stephen Karr