PipeChat Digest #2067 - Saturday, April 28, 2001
 
Odds 'n ends
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  Simple Question
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Beagles' Wings
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Latin (slightly off-topic)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  SimpleQuestion
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Latin (slightly off-topic)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Latin (slightly off-topic)
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Re: Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Odds 'n ends From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:56:17 -0400   >At 11:59 PM 4/27/2001 -0400, Claire wrote: If you don't like >them, please, feel free to start your own list with your own rules.   Hi, Y'all!   Isn't Pipechat just that, id est, a feeling among many that PIPORG-L was too stifling to "fun" conversation and too narrow in focus? Perhaps, I'm wrong, but didn't Pete and Shirley and others really wanted to be more "chatty" about organ issues? Actually, I don't like multiple lists, since = I read and write to both, but this is the way it is, so I live with it.   As to Scott's missive today, I'm glad he wrote it. I'm happy that we have his own words to read and happy to know the basis for his music making and ministry. I admire his focus. I'm not Roman, but if I was, it sounds like his church is a place where I'd hang my hat! Like Scott, I've been = pounded, pummeled and verbally spat on by those who don't have a clue who I am or what I stand for or anything else about me, other than the fact they don't like where I work or with those and for whom I work. One note a few weeks ago even took potshots at the choir! Oh, well . . .   I've learned lots from reading both lists and do think that some people post wayyyyy too much, and certain people don't post nearly enough. I = still refer to posts that Tim Tikker wrote years ago and continue to marvel that friends like Agnes and Steve can post with so much expertise (without notes) off the tops of their heads! Wow!   Please, y'all, keep posting and I'll keep reading, and even write from time-to-time. I love the organ, most of its literature (I'm still struggling with Schmidt!), the Guild, and most of its players and personalities!   Off to practice the Lemmens "Fanfare" and the "little" g minor fugue of = JSB.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:20:51 -0700   At 13:06 4/28/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Just what is this new engineering you propose?<snip>   Elimination of leather pneumatics...period. Use of cast carbon fiber EM valves that use the "pilot valve" principle, using only a small solenoid = to create a partial vacuum, thus letting chest pressure then actually do the work of moving the valve spool. Cheap, durable, flexible in application(can do straight, duplexed, unified, whatever, all with simple programming changes at the relay). Concerns about poor speech transients with EM action almost always get back to improper or uninformed installation techniques.   >What are your cost containment ideas?<snip>   Elimination of expensive, fragile wood in many areas. How about an organ that can weather a "flood" in a chamber, and play nonetheless, and do so for a hundred years? Many organs are trashed simply because some = rainwater invaded, thus making all that fine, clear hardwood basically piles of kindling due to warpage and splitting. This not only goes for chests, but =   pipework, too. Many experiments in the last century proved it's NOT the necessarily the material...it's the air column and how it is handled that is the basic tonal formant. True, the pipe body itself is indeed a secondary radiator, but far less important in the tonal scheme of things than what goes on at the mouth.   >What's more reliable than mechanical action? <snip>   I'd be willing to bet, based on the Wicks experience, that well designed, properly installed EM actions could outlast ANY EP, and be probably less troublesome than the overrated tracker action now in vogue by the "trendies", and a damn sight less expensive in initial cost, not to = mention being more flexible in both initial installation and = additions/modifications.   >Schnitger, Silbermann, Cavaille-Coll, et al were know for recycling >organs-why don't we do the same?<snip>   Probably the best idea in ages. True, many people DO recycle old = pipework, but not enough. That Medinah Austin has a LOT Of pipework that's simply NOT available today at any cost...why is it going into questionable storage? With judicious additions of upperwork and some revoicing and substitutions, I'd bet that old Austin would make a real crackerjack of a concert organ! The always-filled amphitheater of the Spreckles Austin proves this point more than I have to here.   >Ego-tripping builders only supply what the ego-tripping purchasers = want.<snip>   Oh so true!   Certainly my ideas are heretical and loony to many, but, after canvassing the cost of new organs being built today using "traditional" methods, it's =   easy to see why there are fewer and fewer large organs built every decade. Meanwhile, sales of the digital poseur continue to climb, along with a noticeable increase in the number of competitors offering them, = thus driving prices to a standstill, while pipe organ prices climb unabated. Clearly, the "traditional" organ is pricing itself out of existence, while alternative technologies that would lower initial costs AND increase MTBF ("meantime between failures", for you non-technicals out =   there) are ignored by chronic technophobes in the organ bizz. They cite the "Perflex disaster" as justification, when, in reality the ORIGINAL Preflex formulation worked quite well. It was after the formulation was CHANGED that it wound up being as big a disaster as Hope-Jones' = experiments with "rubber cloth" in England. Anyway, it's all just a thought.   Bloom: "WHAT scheme? I was just posing a little academic accouting theory...there was no "scheme"...it was just a thought..."   Bialistock" "Bloom....woilds are toined on such thoughts!"   Wearing a cahdboahd belt, dB    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:42:21 EDT     --part1_f4.97face3.281c852d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/28/01 8:40:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes: > People have called me arrogant, elitist, snobby, stuck up, angry, = vicious, > troubled, cruel, frightening and self serving.   But they don't know you as we do. There are many more!!! ;-)   <> called talented, inspiring, resourceful, > energetic, elegant, tasteful, and above all musical.   ..... and you LET them play the Kilgen.... right??? ;-)     <> with God.   Rediculous! No one can behave as you do without assurance of grace and forgiveness. ;-)   > One individual chastised me in writing because I state my title and the = name > of my church in my signature at the end of my emails.   Shucks! It was jus because it's so BIG!!! ;-) (GAD! ... and the chaser =   lights!!) ;-)   > Well, I know I am a bit on the "high church" or even the "elitist" side = of > things in this day and age . . .   Yep! And Moses, was kinda Jewish! ;-)     > Regarding the other descriptives hurled towards me- I am not vicious > hearted, nor am I troubled, angry or evil. I am not violent and I am = not > cruel.   Perhaps a couple of seminars could add to your "people" skills.... you'll =   get the hang of it... heeheehee ;-)   Seriously, though...   I must admit that I only know you from brief encounters at OHS (like when = you were complaining about the historic hotel in Boston being "old"!!) -- snicker, and by your postings on the list. You're a fun person at heart, =   and very passionate about those things which feed you spiritually and musically, although because of your artistico-theological make-up, these things are inseparable. You're honest and to-the-point in your = judgments and criticisms. These are good qualities, but ones which are difficult = for others not blessed/cursed with them to understand or accept.   You can also be abrasive at times, but then, who isn't? I personally prefer abrasiveness to weenified noncommittal faux-courtesy, but that's = just me!   As many of us, you are convinced that the traditional ways are the best = and when confronted prefer to err of the side of blunt honesty rather than = leave doubt as to where you stand. There are many people who wish that they = had your fortitude and courage to speak up for what you believe.   You only have your own conscience to which you must answer for what you do =   and how you do it. Spiritual discernment also plays a great role in = the opinions and attitudes of many in church service professions. Those = who choose not to use their discernment are jealous and are threatened by = those who do use this spiritual guidance. As long as you are spiritually comfortable with what you are doing, you have no one else's opinion to = worry about.   Be strengthened by the positive comments. Consider, grow and be guided = (but not disturbed) by criticism. View visciousness for what it is and ignore =   it.   We are living in tumultuous times when most of what we know and love is = being threatened by the forces of evil. It sounds chicken-little-ish, but we ignore it to our own peril. Be strong.   In closing, I will admit to having been a thorn in your side on occasion = and have e-mailed you my share of (signed) barbs. If these have caused you hurt, I apologize. And, be assured, I will apologize for the barbs and = jabs yet to come!! ;-)   I commend you for having the hutzpah to verbalize your feelings. Pent-up =   anger can be very damaging to a person. I know you don't withhold your = venom and when someone slams your swell-shades you let 'em have it. But it's = good to let the hurt out as well.   Be assured that, even though there may be unkind letters landing in your mailbox from those who might think they don't like you, there are many = others who have great respect for your talents and abilities, and support you in = the work you are doing and the means with which you accomplish it.   I wish you many more years of successful ministry at The Shrine, and hope = one day to hear your work personally. Take heart, friend. There are many = more idiots than nice folks.... and they're more vocal, too!   Peace.   and remember.... He will raise you up on eagle's wings!   (well.... HE WILL!)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f4.97face3.281c852d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/28/01 8:40:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ScottFop@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">People have called = me arrogant, elitist, snobby, stuck up, angry, vicious, <BR>troubled, cruel, frightening and self serving. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">But they don't know you as we do. = &nbsp;&nbsp;There are many more!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>&lt;On the other hand I have been <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">called talented, inspiring, resourceful, <BR>energetic, elegant, tasteful, and above all musical.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>.... and you LET them play the Kilgen.... right??? &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>&lt; Lastly, I have also been accused of having no relationship = <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">with = God.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">Rediculous! &nbsp;&nbsp;No one can behave as you = do without assurance of grace and <BR>forgiveness. &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One individual = chastised me in writing because I state my title and the name <BR>of my church in my signature at the end of my emails. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">Shucks! &nbsp;It was jus because it's so BIG!!! = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;(GAD! &nbsp;... and the chaser <BR>lights!!) &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well, I know I am = a bit on the "high church" or even the "elitist" side of <BR>things in this day and age . . . &nbsp;(snip)</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Yep! &nbsp;&nbsp;And Moses, was kinda Jewish! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Regarding the = other descriptives hurled towards me- I am not vicious <BR>hearted, nor am I troubled, angry or evil. &nbsp;I am not violent and = I am not <BR>cruel. &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Perhaps a couple of seminars could add to your "people" skills.... = &nbsp;you'll <BR>get the hang of it... heeheehee &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Seriously, though... <BR> <BR>I must admit that I only know you from brief encounters at OHS (like = when you <BR>were complaining about the historic hotel in Boston being "old"!!) -- <BR>snicker, and by your postings on the list. &nbsp;&nbsp;You're a fun = person at heart, <BR>and very passionate about those things which feed you spiritually and <BR>musically, although because of your artistico-theological make-up, these <BR>things are inseparable. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You're honest and = to-the-point in your judgments <BR>and criticisms. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These are good qualities, but ones = which are difficult for <BR>others not blessed/cursed with them to understand or accept. <BR> <BR>You can also be abrasive at times, but then, who isn't? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I personally <BR>prefer abrasiveness to weenified noncommittal faux-courtesy, but = that's just <BR>me! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>As many of us, you are convinced that the traditional ways are the = best and <BR>when confronted prefer to err of the side of blunt honesty rather than = leave <BR>doubt as to where you stand. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There are many people = who wish that they had <BR>your fortitude and courage to speak up for what you believe. <BR> <BR>You only have your own conscience to which you must answer for what = you do <BR>and how you do it. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Spiritual discernment also = plays a great role in the <BR>opinions and attitudes of many in church service professions. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Those who <BR>choose not to use their discernment are jealous and are threatened by = those <BR>who do use this spiritual guidance. &nbsp;&nbsp;As long as you are = spiritually <BR>comfortable with what you are doing, you have no one else's opinion to = worry <BR>about. <BR> <BR>Be strengthened by the positive comments. &nbsp;Consider, grow and be = guided (but <BR>not disturbed) by criticism. &nbsp;&nbsp;View visciousness for what it = is and ignore <BR>it. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>We are living in tumultuous times when most of what we know and love = is being <BR>threatened by the forces of evil. &nbsp;It sounds chicken-little-ish, = but we <BR>ignore it to our own peril. &nbsp;&nbsp;Be strong. <BR> <BR>In closing, I will admit to having been a thorn in your side on = occasion and <BR>have e-mailed you my share of (signed) barbs. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If = these have caused you <BR>hurt, I apologize. &nbsp;&nbsp;And, be assured, I will apologize for = the barbs and jabs <BR>yet to come!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>I commend you for having the hutzpah to verbalize your feelings. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Pent-up <BR>anger can be very damaging to a person. &nbsp;I know you don't = withhold your venom <BR>and when someone slams your swell-shades you let 'em have it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;But it's good <BR>to let the hurt out as well. <BR> <BR>Be assured that, even though there may be unkind letters landing in = your <BR>mailbox from those who might think they don't like you, there are many = others <BR>who have great respect for your talents and abilities, and support you = in the <BR>work you are doing and the means with which you accomplish it. <BR> <BR>I wish you many more years of successful ministry at The Shrine, and = hope one <BR>day to hear your work personally. &nbsp;&nbsp;Take heart, friend. = &nbsp;&nbsp;There are many more <BR>idiots than nice folks.... &nbsp;and they're more vocal, too! <BR> <BR>Peace. <BR> <BR>and remember.... &nbsp;He will raise you up on eagle's wings! <BR> <BR>(well.... &nbsp;HE WILL!) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f4.97face3.281c852d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:47:16 EDT     --part1_75.13dd1dce.281c8654_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? = Latin's > been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such.   Because it's beautiful and ads to the mystic charachter of worship. It is =   also part of our heritage. It is beautiful, artistic, many times = preferable to singing in the vernacular, and fun.   Ya know.... LIKE TRACKER ACTION!!!!   ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_75.13dd1dce.281c8654_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>desertbob@rglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why would ANYONE = use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? &nbsp;Latin's <BR>been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such. = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Because it's beautiful and ads to the mystic charachter of worship. = &nbsp;It is <BR>also part of our heritage. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is beautiful, artistic, many = times preferable <BR>to singing in the vernacular, and fun. <BR> <BR>Ya know.... LIKE TRACKER ACTION!!!! <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_75.13dd1dce.281c8654_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Beagles' Wings From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:51 -0700     --------------D7097A7760076FA13AFAAB1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > and remember.... He will raise you up on eagle's wings! > > (well.... HE WILL!) > > Bruce Cornely   But NOT, God willing, to THAT tune (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   --------------D7097A7760076FA13AFAAB1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>   <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>and remember....&nbsp; He will raise you up on eagle's = wings!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>(well....&nbsp; HE WILL!)</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely</font></font></font></blockquote>   <p><br>But NOT, God willing, to THAT tune (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud</html>   --------------D7097A7760076FA13AFAAB1B--    
(back) Subject: Latin (slightly off-topic) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:01:26 -0700   19th century British "public" (what we'd call "private") schools taught virtually nothing but Latin, Greek and mathematics ... one learned everything else from reading the Latin and Greek writers ... and there hasn't been such an explosion of knowledge in the field of BASIC SCIENCE since then, produced by the graduates of those schools with their "limited" curriculum.   Hmmm ...   The present modest revival of the teaching of Latin in U.S. schools is producing better reasoning abilities, higher verbal test scores, better reading and writing abilities, etc.   Hmmm ...   Think the Brits might have been on to something?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:02:07 -0400     --------------29588A7CF8E058DBA0915A28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > desertbob@rglobal.net writes: > > > >> Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? >> Latin's >> been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such. > > Because it's beautiful and ads to the mystic charachter of worship. > It is > also part of our heritage. It is beautiful, artistic, many times > preferable > to singing in the vernacular, and fun. > > Ya know.... LIKE TRACKER ACTION!!!! > > ;-) > > Mike wrote:   My my, a retro orgeler, AND a reto warbler. :-)     --------------29588A7CF8E058DBA0915A28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>desertbob@rglobal.net = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II?&nbsp; = Latin's</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>been a dead language = for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Because = it's beautiful and ads to the mystic charachter of worship.&nbsp; It = is</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>also part = of our heritage.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is beautiful, artistic, many times = preferable</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>to = singing in the vernacular, and fun.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Ya = know.... LIKE TRACKER ACTION!!!!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>;-)</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Mike = wrote:</font></font></font></blockquote> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My my, a retro orgeler, AND a reto warbler.&nbsp; :-) <br>&nbsp;</html>   --------------29588A7CF8E058DBA0915A28--    
(back) Subject: Re: Latin (slightly off-topic) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:31:39 -0400   Bud, 'et al'   As a product of the old British system, I learned Latin, ( I didn't learn Greek), and I learned Mathematics, - I don't know that it did me any more =   good than the current computer literate students!   Latin was useful in attempting to understand the Latin texts of the choral =   pieces that I have sung, but no more than that. Mathematics has done more =   for me over my lifetime than Latin ever did!   But what on earth has this to do with organs?   Bob Conway   At 02:01 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >19th century British "public" (what we'd call "private") schools taught >virtually nothing but Latin, Greek and mathematics ... one learned >everything else from reading the Latin and Greek writers ... and there >hasn't been such an explosion of knowledge in the field of BASIC SCIENCE >since then, produced by the graduates of those schools with their >"limited" curriculum. > >Hmmm ... > >The present modest revival of the teaching of Latin in U.S. schools is >producing better reasoning abilities, higher verbal test scores, better >reading and writing abilities, etc. > >Hmmm ... > >Think the Brits might have been on to something?   Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils!    
(back) Subject: Re: Latin (slightly off-topic) From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:06:14 -0400     > 19th century British "public" (what we'd call "private") schools taught > virtually nothing but Latin, Greek and mathematics ... one learned > everything else from reading the Latin and Greek writers ... and there > hasn't been such an explosion of knowledge in the field of BASIC SCIENCE > since then, produced by the graduates of those schools with their > "limited" curriculum. > > Hmmm ... > > The present modest revival of the teaching of Latin in U.S. schools is > producing better reasoning abilities, higher verbal test scores, better > reading and writing abilities, etc. > > Hmmm ...     Amen, Bud. To take this train of thought a step further, I will say that = I graduated from college nearly 40 years ago, which puts me in the same general age bracket as Bud. Even then, language and writing skills were = so poorly taught in the English classes of our public schools that I can unequivocally say I learned most of what I know about grammar and writing = in the four years of Latin I had in high school, so very long ago. From the experiences of my son (now age 34) in his school days, and from even more recent graduates I have seen hired in the course of my professional = career, it does not appear that the situation has improved in the meantime. If anything, it has grown worse by quantum leaps. Though I did not enjoy reading classical Latin literature as a teenager, and still do not read it by preference, I will nevertheless be forever grateful for the training I received through the study of that language, which has stood me in such excellent stead ever since. It is not an exaggeration to say that I would not be the man I am today if I had never studied Latin.    
(back) Subject: Re: Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:19:43 -0700   At 14:31 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote: >In the context of the whole piece, my ear suggests that the second note=20 >should be A-sharp. O.K.: is my ear jaded?<snip>   No, it's quite right. The notation is non-standard. Standard notation=20 convention would have not put the # in the next measure to cancel the=20 natural of the previous measure, as such "cancellations" are handled on a=20 measure-by-measure basis.   >By the way, it's a SPLENDID piece that, in my opinion, gets too few=20 >hearings.<snip>   Perhaps, but Saint-Sa=EBns works for organ have always stood in the shadows= =20 of his contemporary, C=E9sar Franck, both in fame and quality. However, I= do=20 agree that this is a fine piece heard far too few times, as are the=20 complete symphonies of Widor. Of course, the problem with Widor (and=20 "organ symphonies" in general)is obvious ... time!   DeserTBoB