PipeChat Digest #2068 - Sunday, April 29, 2001
 
Re: Latin (slightly off-topic)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Napster
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Napster
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: Upcoming Recitals -- Macon and Atlanta, GA
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  SimpleQuestion
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  SimpleQuestion
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: I speak for myself
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  SimpleQuestion
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
new mp3's
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very  SimpleQuestion
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: new mp3 added
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very   SimpleQuestion
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Latin (slightly off-topic) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:29:59 -0700   At 14:01 4/28/2001 -0700, BuuD-by-the-Beach wrote: >Think the Brits might have been on to something?<snip>   Oh, certainly. Study of Latin opens not only the doors to all Romance languages, but, in the era BuuD mentions, shed light on the basic seeds that led to the scientific boom presaging the Industrial Age. However, that period of history is just that...history. All those Latin and Greek tomes have since been translated into every language on the planet. = Still, Latin, I believe, should be part of normal curricula, if for no other reason but to facilitate better absorption of the Romance languages, as well as a goodly sized chunk of the English vocabulary. If one has at least two years of Latin, one will ALWAYS test far above the mean in terms =   of vocabulary skills, if not grammatical. It, along with Greek, is an absolute requirement (or should be) for anyone seriously studying the sciences, law or philosophy.   Latin's simple, logical grammatical structure was TOO logical for the English, however, who bastardized their own language into one of the most illogical and hard to learn on Earth. As far as what happened to England AFTER the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, that's there in the record = for all to see.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very Simple Question From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:29:33 EDT     --part1_4e.150a5bfd.281cac5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Scott, first of all, you are doing in your National Shrine what I'm attempting to do at our methodist "Cathedral by the Shore" (as I like to = call it). I want the absolute finest music I can produce every single service, =   within the context of Methodism (which is quite broad musically).   Our church is in a unique position here in NJ. First of all, it's = growing. Secondly, we're in one of the fastest growing counties in the entire = country. Our church stands in a strategic location to make a difference musically = and spiritually. I am becoming more and more happy to be here.   Doing well doesn't mean being elite. It simply means not churning out mediocrity. I"m in your camp, on this issue, Scott. It's not about = style, it's about quality.   Next month, I'm taking a group of our church folk to Philadelphia to hear = the Gaither Homecoming Concert. Having grown up on this style of music, I am =   looking forward to it. Why? Because those old timey gospel stars that = will be there know how to do what they do. And it will be good!!   Will I program a steady diet of old time gospel songs for our worship? No! = But if a fresh arrangement comes along that is well done and is = appropriate for a particular Sunday, I might do it.   Thankfully, our choirs are to the point where we can maintain a level of excellence that isn't found in most of the other churches around us. = Sure, some of the other churches are doing good things chorally, but they aren't =   doing what we do.   Our Florida winter folks are coming back now. Week after week, I'm told = how grateful they are to be back in a church where good music is the norm. = That always makes me feel good.   Sorry to respond so verbosely. Have a great Lord's day everyone.   Neil Brown       --part1_4e.150a5bfd.281cac5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Scott, first of all, = you are doing in your National Shrine what I'm <BR>attempting to do at our methodist "Cathedral by the Shore" (as I like = to call <BR>it). &nbsp;I want the absolute finest music I can produce every single = service, <BR>within the context of Methodism (which is quite broad musically). = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Our church is in a unique position here in NJ. &nbsp;First of all, = it's growing. <BR>Secondly, we're in one of the fastest growing counties in the entire = country. <BR>&nbsp;Our church stands in a strategic location to make a difference = musically and <BR>spiritually. &nbsp;&nbsp;I am becoming more and more happy to be here. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Doing well doesn't mean being elite. &nbsp;It simply means not = churning out <BR>mediocrity. &nbsp;I"m in your camp, on this issue, Scott. &nbsp;It's = not about style, <BR>it's about quality. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Next month, I'm taking a group of our church folk to Philadelphia to = hear the <BR>Gaither Homecoming Concert. &nbsp;Having grown up on this style of = music, &nbsp;I am <BR>looking forward to it. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because those old timey gospel = stars that will <BR>be there know how to do what they do. &nbsp;And it will be good!! <BR> <BR>Will I program a steady diet of old time gospel songs for our worship? = No! &nbsp; <BR>But if a fresh arrangement comes along that is well done and is = appropriate <BR>for a particular Sunday, I might do it. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Thankfully, our choirs are to the point where we can maintain a level = of <BR>excellence that isn't found in most of the other churches around us. = &nbsp;Sure, <BR>some of the other churches are doing good things chorally, but they = aren't <BR>doing what we do. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Our Florida winter folks are coming back now. &nbsp;Week after week, = I'm told how <BR>grateful they are to be back in a church where good music is the norm. = &nbsp;That <BR>always makes me feel good. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Sorry to respond so verbosely. &nbsp;&nbsp;Have a great Lord's day everyone. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_4e.150a5bfd.281cac5d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Napster From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:59:28 EDT   I got the same results. I believe the songs are housed on Carlo's = computer. With Napster, there is no file server per se. Each user is = downloading files from another user's computer directly. If Carlo is off = line, you can't see his songs. I am offering an alternative to Napster. = Any organist who wants to post MP3's that they legally have rights to = distribute, can contact me by email and I will try to make web server = space available to you where people can go, 24 hours a day, and download = your works.   >Carlo- I did a search with your name on Napster several times and it = returned no results, do you know if there is a time delay for your files to become active?<    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:05:49 -0400   On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:35:39 EDT ScottFop@aol.com writes: I believe it is time for me to speak up, things have gotten to where people think I am a bad person because of my personal tastes in music and liturgical style.     I don't believe I should try to impress others outwardly or "shove" what I may be doing down someone else's throat, if it is good or well done- it will speak for itself whether it be my program or someone else's. I   realized this on Easter Day when the choir was singing the final triumphant chorus "mighty victim from the sky, hell's fierce powers beneath Thee lie, Thou   hast conquered in the fight, Thou hast brought us life and light, Thou hast opened paradise and in Thee Thy saints shall rise. Alleluia, alleluia! Amen, amen!" in Edward Cuthbert Bairstow's "Sing Ye To the Lord."   As a Presbyterian, I can only say that OUR music program is also based on "good" music.   We also, did the Bairstow for Easter and for Maundy Thursday, the Ave Verum (in Latin)!   You don't have to be RC or even Anglo-Catholic (Bud) to have a good music program. And yes, we, too, have problems with our clergy person over music.   Our "Pastor" insists in picking all the hymns himself - and does it badly ! (No matter how many times we try to tell him NOT to use 3/4 hymns as processionals !)   At least Scott is blessed with clergy that appreciate good music !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:44:22 -0500     Douglas A Campbell wrote:   > ...<snip>...Our "Pastor" insists in picking all the hymns himself - and > does it badly! > (No matter how many times we try to tell him NOT to use 3/4 hymns as > processionals !)   Cure for this, have the choir do the procesional in the old "hesitation step", you know, "left, right pause, left right pause" <vbg>.    
(back) Subject: Re: Napster From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:43:40 -0500   How about trying MP3.com? They offer unlimited space and make working with and sharing MP3 files a breeze. They will stream too, so you don't have to wait until the whole file is downloaded to hear the music.   Paul     DEMPAR1@aol.com wrote: > > I got the same results. I believe the songs are housed on Carlo's = computer. With Napster, there is no file server per se. Each user is > = downloading files from another user's computer directly. If Carlo is off = line, you can't see his songs. I am offering an alternative to > Napster. = Any organist who wants to post MP3's that they legally have rights to = distribute, can contact me by email and I will try to make web > server = space available to you where people can go, 24 hours a day, and download = your works.  
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Recitals -- Macon and Atlanta, GA From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:09:16 EDT     --part1_36.1524fa29.281cd1cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Stephen, Congratulations on starting to get around the recital circuit.   St. Luke's Atlanta is a wonderful place. I believe they just added some tower bells. They are a downtown parish that has rejuvenated and are apparently going great guns. I have the specs of the Austin from the original dedicatory brochure, I hope not too much was changed in the = re-do. It was a typical 50's vintage Austin, which is one of my favorites. The room is magnificent. I remember going to church there during the late = 60s and marvelling at the way the first hymn was done. The tower bell was = rung, and then the choir sang the first stanza from the undercroft, working its = way up into the narthex, then big organ interlude to get the choir into the aisle, and then everybody got to play. Unfortunately there were only = about 60 people in the nave at that time, and about 40 in the choir (if memory serves). If you'd like the specs, let me know. Wish I could be there. = I've enjoyed your CD very much.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_36.1524fa29.281cd1cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Stephen, <BR>Congratulations on starting to get around the recital circuit. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>St. Luke's Atlanta is a wonderful place. &nbsp;I believe they just = added some <BR>tower bells. &nbsp;They are a downtown parish that has rejuvenated and = are <BR>apparently going great guns. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have the specs of the = Austin from the <BR>original dedicatory brochure, I hope not too much was changed in the = re-do. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>It was a typical 50's vintage Austin, which is one of my favorites. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The <BR>room is magnificent. &nbsp;&nbsp;I remember going to church there = during the late 60s <BR>and marvelling at the way the first hymn was done. &nbsp;The tower = bell was rung, <BR>and then the choir sang the first stanza from the undercroft, working = its way <BR>up into the narthex, then big organ interlude to get the choir into = the <BR>aisle, and then everybody got to play. &nbsp;&nbsp;Unfortunately there = were only about <BR>60 people in the nave at that time, and about 40 in the choir (if = memory <BR>serves). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you'd like the specs, let me know. = &nbsp;Wish I could be there. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>I've enjoyed your CD very much. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_36.1524fa29.281cd1cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:28:49 EDT     --part1_68.e527dcb.281cd661_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/28/01 2:01:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > My my, a retro orgeler, AND a reto warbler. :-) > Well, if you want to find out how really "retro" I am, go get a copy of = Choir and Organ, the current issue, and take a read through "Ave Verum" by = Andrew Gant. It's printed in the magazine center. It's my new favorite anthem. = I try to be progressive, but insisting on high qualit really makes it very =   difficult.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_68.e527dcb.281cd661_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/28/01 2:01:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My my, a retro = orgeler, AND a reto warbler. &nbsp;:-) <BR> &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Well, if you want to find out how really "retro" = I am, go get a copy of Choir <BR>and Organ, the current issue, and take a read through "Ave Verum" by = Andrew <BR>Gant. &nbsp;It's printed in the magazine center. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's my = new favorite anthem. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>I try to be progressive, but insisting on high qualit really makes it = very <BR>difficult. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_68.e527dcb.281cd661_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:03:35 EDT     --part1_fe.599c10d.281cde87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > In a message dated 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > desertbob@rglobal.net writes: > > > >> Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? >> Latin's >> been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should be treated as such. > Because it simply SOUNDS so wonderful. Pure vowels- no dipthongs!   Vicki Ceruti   --part1_fe.599c10d.281cde87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated = 4/28/01 10:26:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">desertbob@rglobal.net writes:</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> =   <BR> &nbsp; <BR> &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why would ANYONE = use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? &nbsp; <BR>Latin's</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">been a dead language for CENTURIES, and should = be treated as such.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Because it simply SOUNDS so wonderful. &nbsp;Pure vowels- no = dipthongs! <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fe.599c10d.281cde87_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:34:54 EDT     --part1_aa.149c9b7b.281ce5de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I"m blessed with a pastor that says, "Worship is not amateur hour". He = does not mean that we hire a 100% paid choir -- quite the contrary. Our choirs =   are first rate. He says worship is not the time for a "talent" show, = meaning little Suzy Q playing a solo consisting of the violin III part from some obscure orchestral ditty: This was sprung on me for our Informal Service = on Palm Sunday -- I was livid and I complained.   My pastor also lets me do the music (he picks the hymns in the traditional =   services). I do pick most of the music for the informal service.   During Fall of 1999, our music program spent considerable time and money = on producing a very nice compact disc, full of choral music for our Live Nativity presentation (which is done outdoors during Advent). Why? I was =   told to elevate the music at the Nativity.   Well, for the 2000 presentation, I was told that the CD wasn't personal enough; that is was nice, but just wasn't what the Nativity committee = (headed up by the new assistant pastor) wanted. I expressed myself to the assistant, but I dropped it. I made it clear to her that I was told to provide first-rate music for the nativity. If I'm in charge of it, it = will not be home-spun hokey stuff. So, I relieved myself of that duty.   Lo and behold, after several nights of bad weather cancellations, the 1 performance came indoors and guess what the music was? Guitar = accompaniment to well-worn carols and Christmas songs. It was quite obvious that the assistant pastor had her sights on making the musical statement for our church.   All this to say, one must be ever vigilant to uphold the ideal of = excellence. Fortunately, my pastor and the staff/parish relations committee (i.e. personnel) understand what I'm trying to do and affirm my leadership in = the music area. And yet, there are folks who insist on cheapening what we do, =   slopping it together, not giving a hoot how it sounds. Gradually, = however, even those folks are having less an influence.   There seems to be the idea that if it's excellent, or even good, it = somehow isn't spiritual, or meaningful, or uplifting or whatever. One of my goals = is to prove this wrong.   O well, now that I vented that, I feel better. Peace to you all.   Neil B             --part1_aa.149c9b7b.281ce5de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I"m blessed with a = pastor that says, "Worship is not amateur hour". &nbsp;He does <BR>not mean that we hire a 100% paid choir -- quite the contrary. = &nbsp;Our choirs <BR>are first rate. &nbsp;He says worship is not the time for a "talent" = show, meaning <BR>little Suzy Q playing a solo consisting of the violin III part from = some <BR>obscure orchestral ditty: This was sprung on me for our Informal = Service on <BR>Palm Sunday -- I was livid and I complained. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>My pastor also lets me do the music (he picks the hymns in the = traditional <BR>services). &nbsp;I do pick most of the music for the informal service. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>During Fall of 1999, our music program spent considerable time and = money on <BR>producing a very nice compact disc, full of choral music for our Live <BR>Nativity presentation (which is done outdoors during Advent). = &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;I was <BR>told to elevate the music at the Nativity. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Well, for the 2000 presentation, I was told that the CD wasn't = personal <BR>enough; that is was nice, but just wasn't what the Nativity committee = (headed <BR>up by the new assistant pastor) wanted. &nbsp;&nbsp;I expressed myself = to the <BR>assistant, but I dropped it. &nbsp;I made it clear to her that I was = told to <BR>provide first-rate music for the nativity. &nbsp;If I'm in charge of = it, it will <BR>not be home-spun hokey stuff. &nbsp;So, I relieved myself of that = duty. <BR> <BR>Lo and behold, after several nights of bad weather cancellations, the 1 <BR>performance came indoors and guess what the music was? &nbsp;Guitar = accompaniment <BR>to well-worn carols and Christmas songs. &nbsp;It was quite obvious = that the <BR>assistant pastor had her sights on making the musical statement for = our <BR>church. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>All this to say, one must be ever vigilant to uphold the ideal of = excellence. <BR>&nbsp;Fortunately, my pastor and the staff/parish relations committee = (i.e. <BR>personnel) understand what I'm trying to do and affirm my leadership = in the <BR>music area. &nbsp;And yet, there are folks who insist on cheapening = what we do, <BR>slopping it together, not giving a hoot how it sounds. = &nbsp;Gradually, however, <BR>even those folks are having less an influence. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>There seems to be the idea that if it's excellent, or even good, it = somehow <BR>isn't spiritual, or meaningful, or uplifting or whatever. &nbsp;One of = my goals is <BR>to prove this wrong. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>O well, now that I vented that, I feel better. &nbsp;Peace to you all. <BR> <BR>Neil B <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.149c9b7b.281ce5de_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:37:05 EDT     --part1_24.12a5b659.281ce661_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I will use Latin in a concert, but I prefer to use English in worship settings (particularly Sunday mornings). That's kind of the rule I have = made for myself. We have but one chance to reach the listener (yes I know = we're singing to God, but...). I prefer to use the language they know, with certain exceptions (Gloria in excelsis Deo, Alleluia, etc.).   Neil B   --part1_24.12a5b659.281ce661_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will use Latin in a = concert, but I prefer to use English in worship <BR>settings (particularly Sunday mornings). &nbsp;That's kind of the rule = I have made <BR>for myself. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We have but one chance to reach the = listener (yes I know we're <BR>singing to God, but...). &nbsp;I prefer to use the language they know, = with <BR>certain exceptions (Gloria in excelsis Deo, Alleluia, etc.). <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_24.12a5b659.281ce661_boundary--  
(back) Subject: new mp3's From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:15:49 -0400   newly added to Napster "Carlo_Pietroniro", are the following pieces.....   Carillon De Westminster....Louis Vierne Toccata on "Christ The Lord Is Ris'n Today"....Diane Bish Festive Trumpet Tune.......David German Finale from "Concerto Gregoriano".......Pietro A. Yon   "O Danny Boy" as sung by Carol McCormick (soprano) "Jubilee Song" as sung by same soloist   I've had to re-name a few, so Napster wouldn't block them, but you should all recognize the titles.   For those of you not familiar with the Concerto Gregoriano, let me explain something. There's a pedal cadenza near the end, which calls for = glissandos up the pedalboard, then a 1-page pedal solo, then a downwards glissando. What an amazing piece to play.   Happy listening!!!   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:45:19 +0800   Nothing wrong with Latin in liturgical music. Often better than the translation!! Bob Elms.y   > Why would ANYONE use Latin, except as a knee-jerk reaction to V II? = Latin's been a dead language for CENTURIES, and > should be treated as such. However, I DO credit two years' worth of = Latin study with my ability to learn any of the Romance > languages fairly quickly. So, academically, it's not a "trivial = pursuit". But for use in liturgy? It just perpetuates the "Dark Ages >    
(back) Subject: Re: new mp3 added From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:26:39 -0700   At 11:37 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I've added a new mp3 to Napster (Carlo_Pietroniro).<snip>   No, you didn't...you just listed it. Napster isn't a file server, it's just basically a big directory service that offers DCC file transfers. Being thus, you'd have to leave your 'puter on and modem connected 24/7 to have anyone download any of your stuff. Shoulda gone to =   mp3.com.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) x post Re: A Very SimpleQuestion From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:33:11 -0700   At 13:45 4/29/2001 +0800, you wrote: >Nothing wrong with Latin in liturgical music. Often better than the >translation!<snip>   Hmmmm...there we go! the quick 'n easy cure for "happy/clappy/7-11 music"...translate all those banal, idiotic lyrics into Latin! No one = will know just how bad it really is that way! Worked for the RCs for = centuries....   dB